Being gay and Islam

[Umar Ibn Farooq]

This threads gotten a bit old,
but I am assuming everyone here knows homosexuality is a sin, and is never acceptable or should be in anyway supported.
Brothers who are afflicted with such desires of course should be supported in getting closer to their deen, and psychologically treated to help them leave these desires or keep them controlled.

I don't think anyone believes to the contrary, homosexual actions are a clear sin and the punishment of the Ummah of Lut AS is directly mentioned in the Quran

Giving you personal advice, there is no desire which ejects from the human itself. It is shaytan and it is the way you think.

 

[Umar Ibn Farooq]

It is indeed a grave accusation against Allah SWT to say "Allah SWT created me gay" rather acknowledge that one is corrupt and needs fixing would be better. It is no different from the rapist saying "Allah SWT Created me like this" etc.

But those who have the desire, we can't be harsh against them, we have to say that it is not ok to be gay and those desires are from shaytaan, and etc. One can still be muslim and have those desires - but one has to realise that his desire is not natural.

And ameen to your dua. Sometimes truth may be harsh. May Allah SWT help us. Ameen.

Correct.

They aren't created gay. Shaytan deceives the weak Muslims.

 

[Serinity]

Lol they aren't created gay. Shaytan deceives the weak Muslims.

True. shaytaan has decieved the sodomites. So much so that shaytaan doesn't need to remind them anymore. - society itself is helping shaytaan with this sodomy filth.

That is why we need to help them get off this filth. Only Allah SWT can cure people tho. If people continue to live in self-denial, by accusing Allah SWT. Then they'll meet the punishment.

 

[Umar Ibn Farooq]

True. shaytaan has decieved the sodomites. So much so that shaytaan doesn't need to remind them anymore. - society itself is helping shaytaan with this sodomy filth.

A good akh. :jz:

I blame the teachings of the west. It might seem so innocent and desireable but the west is full of deviancy and corruption. The west is the factory of the kuffar. The more they build and follow their polytheist teachings, the more they'll create more disgusting and filthy habits which effects the muslims.

Being ''born gay'' is rubbish and it is mere deception. People need to wake up and realize reality. It is the way you think.

It is indeed the den of shaytan.

 

[Cpt.America]

Giving you personal advice, there is no desire which ejects from the human itself. It is shaytan and it is the way you think.

I agree with you. I never said anything differently. Those are the causes of this occurring: Shaytaan, society, and an improper way of thinking that comes as a result of that.

I am merely saying the issue is that once someone is afflicted with this mental illness, and understands that they must leave it for the sake of Allah, the important thing is how do we help them to fix themselves and be cured of this mental illness.
Like a person is not born alcoholic. They drink alcohol and become that. But once they realize it is haram and want to correct themselves, we must help them recover from the addiction and become closer to Allah.

I do appreciate you giving me advice though Akh. Jazakallah khair.

 

[Umar Ibn Farooq]

I agree with you. I never said anything differently. Those are the causes of this occurring: Shaytaan, society, and an improper way of thinking that comes as a result of that.

I am merely saying the issue is that once someone is afflicted with this mental illness, and understands that they must leave it for the sake of Allah, the important thing is how do we help them to fix themselves and be cured of this mental illness.
Like a person is not born alcoholic. They drink alcohol and become that. But once they realize it is haram and want to correct themselves, we must help them recover from the addiction and become closer to Allah.

I do appreciate you giving me advice though Akh. Jazakallah khair.

Wa iyaaki. A good akh.

 

[Umar Ibn Farooq]

This. It would make no sense for me to choose to be gay when I see all the evil committed against other gay people. It's just a natural impulse that's developed unconsciously.

But, regarding your animal point, it is often a sign of authority and higher rank for an animal like a dog to have sex with another male dog. It's to assert dominance, just like how a lot of men get raped in prison, the rapist isn't gay, he's just asserting his dominance over the other man (or he is just desperate enough for sex that he will resort to forcing another man to do it with him).

Face your fears. You aren't gay.

Allah created us male and female. Overcome it.

Change the way you think. The only people who have told you you're gay are the western predessceors and their filthy teachings. You are a man. Not a woman. And no, even if you are a man, you aren't forced to love another man. You are born with free will. It is your OWN choice to do what you want to do.

It is proven you aren't born gay. There were twins which apparently one was gay and the other wasn't. Meaning you aren't born genetically gay. It is just clear deception. Living in an environment where they tell you ''be who you are''. Themselves haven't experienced it and you are only deluding yourself into thinking it's true. It won't fix over time. It takes time to get over it.

Allah has created deficiency both in men and women. He has made you to love the opposite sex. Just like how you have a magnet. Opposite attracts.

Those who say are gay, have mental illnesses, have OCD. This world isn't random and the creation of this universe isn't either.

Allah is still giving you a chance to repent and to leave this disgusting behavior.

Don't give in. If you are devoted and sincere, fight your devil and overcome your fear.

 

[Pygoscelis]

MorbidEntree,

Ignore your actual feelings and attractions, pretend they don't exist, and pretend you are attracted to what you are not, just to please these fine Muslim folks who can't tolerate you being yourself. Live a lie for them, so they can be more comfortable. Sounds reasonable, yeah?

 

[azc]

MorbidEntree,

Ignore your actual feelings and attractions, pretend they don't exist, and pretend you are attracted to what you are not, just to please these fine Muslim folks who can't tolerate you being yourself. Live a lie for them, so they can be more comfortable. Sounds reasonable, yeah?

If someone is interested in incesting. Will you encourage him as your encouraging this brother now ?

 

[Cpt.America]

MorbidEntree,

Ignore your actual feelings and attractions, pretend they don't exist, and pretend you are attracted to what you are not, just to please these fine Muslim folks who can't tolerate you being yourself. Live a lie for them, so they can be more comfortable. Sounds reasonable, yeah?

chill bruh chill.

Thread did get a bit derailed.
basically, it seems the causation of homosexual attractions is being debated here now, and that really doesn't matter for the purposes of this discussion.

The important aspect is that, in Islam, certain actions are forbidden so are sins, and certain are allowed.
Acting upon homosexual urges is one such sin.
Every individual is affected by their own temptations in life,
and for some those temptations are homosexuality.
In Islam we believe that God's Will, is greater than our own desires, and as such it is our test in life to, out of our own free will, choose to worship God, and control our desires to sin (lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, engage in usury, backbiting, pride and arrogance, alcoholism, polytheism, slander, or whatever other sins may personally affect us) to align ourselves to that which is pleasing to God (Mercy, kindness, feeding the poor and the orphans, humbleness, controlling anger, respect to parents, respect to others, honesty, steadfastness, honor, love for ones spouse and ones children, just rule, etc.) and distance ourselves from that which is displeasing to God.
It is the Muslims belief that this struggle is a test, and this test is the purpose of life, and is the only source to bring us true peace in this life, and heaven in the hereafter.

As such if a Muslim is afflicted with homosexual temptations, just like the temptations of any other sin, it is their duty to try to control it for the short duration of this life, to become closer to God, and in the hereafter there will be no such struggle with temptations.

Basically a Muslim chooses to be Muslim by the freedom of his or her own will to submit their will to the Will of Allah. There is no compulsion to be Muslim.
but to be Muslim means we have to accept God's law, and accept that things which might attract us may be things we have to struggle to leave God willingly.

 

[Cpt.America]

I don't know, but maybe this video can be helpful to your curiosity about sins in Islam.

youtu.be/C5ACV4EpcZU

 

[BlackFlags]

Yes it clearly goes against the teachings of Islam.

I'll just say it frankly, I'm gay and in a relationship with another man. Does this go against the teachings of Islam, or is it accepted within the Islamic community for a person to be homosexual?

 

[Search]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful)

Hey, that's unfair. We never asked OP to pretend anything. And he should never try to please us as Muslims or any members of humanity for that matter because ultimately we're all temporal human beings and none of us is accountable to the other and nor is he accountable to us.

Instead, OP, if he's convinced of the Truth of Islam, should instead strive to please God; I have also provided hadiths (prophetic traditions) that show being sinful or engaging in sin doesn't mean that God's forgiveness or mercy is barred to anyone of us. So, he should strive to please God, but like any human beings, he may fall short and make mistakes, and that's okay because whether someone is an atheist or a Muslim, all of us are struggling in some way or another in our lives. And our struggles don't define who we are or who we have the potential to be - rather, our struggles refine us.

MorbidEntree,

Ignore your actual feelings and attractions, pretend they don't exist, and pretend you are attracted to what you are not, just to please these fine Muslim folks who can't tolerate you being yourself. Live a lie for them, so they can be more comfortable. Sounds reasonable, yeah?

 

[Serinity]

Homosexuality is a disease. Who normalised it anyway? Who started it? Man did. Why follow man and their perversions? I see you are a victim of this perversion. But I want you to realise. How did all those 7 billion people come. By the will of Allah SWT. How did He SWT plan it?

man + woman = off spring.

Allah SWT did NOT make it:

man + man = off spring.

Therefore one is going against the fundamental rulings of procreation, to which any reasonable man would find reason in .

So tell me, is it you that created yourself, or was it Allah SWT? It was Allah SWT. Therefore do not heed your desires, but follow Allah SWT. Know Allah SWT is all-knowing, All-Wise.

I am not saying to believe blindly - but to realise that this homosexuality is - albeit and perhaps unintentional - is a delusion and a trap of shaytaan to which mankind has fallen prey to.

Know that shaytaan is trying his best to keep all mankind away from Islam, The Truth.

So what is preventing you from Islam? Your corrupt desires? then think, Allah SWT created you, you are a slave of His. you are not your own creator. So won't you take heed? Allah SWT knows best what is right and wrong, and what is good for you.

So if it is only these corrupted desires that are preventing you - then I invite you to Islam - accept it. you may have homosexual feelings, but I ask you to accept. What is most important now is that you understand that - yes homosexual acts is haram. The desires are from the shaytaan - corrupted. But they are out of your control.

Join Islam and take heed. Don't be controlled by your desires. Use your head. Sodomy is unnatural - how else would we have 7 billion except by the pairing of man to woman?

This may be a great test for you, but by accepting Islam, you've acknowledged Allah SWT as your Lord. As He SWT always was.

So don't fall into the traps of shaytaan. Allah SWT did not make you like this, shaytaan corrupted you.

Allah SWT is very Kind and Merciful, so accept Islam, and turn to Him SWT, and you will find Him SWT Merciful, Oft-forgiving.
May Allah SWT forgive me if I said any wrong. Ameen.

And Allah SWT knows best.

 

[Pygoscelis]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful)

Hey, that's unfair. We never asked OP to pretend anything. And he should never try to please us as Muslims or any members of humanity for that matter because ultimately we're all temporal human beings and none of us is accountable to the other and nor is he accountable to us.

You didn't Search, but just look at some of the responses in this thread. on the one hand you have the decent Muslims like yourself simply stating that homosexual sex goes against Islam and isn't accepted in Islam, and that homosexuality is a test or something to overcome to please Allah. As a non-muslim I find that rather arbitrary and without rational basis, but at least it isn't dishonest or hateful. But then on the other hand you've got people here equating homosexuality to murder and trying to tell MorbidEntree what he naturally feels and how he must behave. Doing so would be living a lie, hence my response you quoted.

 

[Serinity]

Feelings and desires has no value before what is right and wrong. For desires and feelings are corruptable - that is why Allah SWT gave us a brain.

Allah SWT gave us desires to control it, to overpower it, not to follow it, and enslave us to it. But some have had their desires corrupted by shaytaan. Allah SWT created us with the attraction to the opposite sex.

 

[Pygoscelis]

man + woman = off spring.

Allah SWT did NOT make it:

man + man = off spring.

Therefore one is going against the fundamental rulings of procreation, to which any reasonable man would find reason in .

This sort of logic could make sense even without the appeal to religion if there was a population shortage of humans and we were facing extinction. And perhaps that is why it was put into these religions? Because they needed to grow population to make more warriors, etc? But clearly, we are not in a population shortage today, and if anything the earth is overpopulated and humans are still growing exponentially in numbers. So a few people not procreating (and that wouldn't just be due to homosexuality) is actually helping us more than it is hurting us, given the limited resources that we have on our planet.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Allah SWT created us with the attraction to the opposite sex.

So on top of everything else, you are calling homosexuals liars. They don't REALLY feel what they feel, and they were created with attraction to the opposite sex? They somehow chose to be homosexual? Why would anybody choose that given how you and others regard homosexuality? If Shaytan tempted them to be homosexual, what did he tempt them with? If they had no interest in their same sex, they couldn't be tempted by it. Do you remember choosing to be heterosexual? Or are you just heterosexual? Sorry, but some people are NOT the slightest bit attracted to the opposite sex, and the best that they can do is fake it to fit into society and make you happy.

It is one thing to tell people that they were born with a special test to overcome. It is quite another to insist that they feel an attraction that they have never felt, or to equate cuddling who they want to cuddle with murder.

 

[Cpt.America]

This sort of logic could make sense even without the appeal to religion if there was a population shortage of humans and we were facing extinction. And perhaps that is why it was put into these religions? Because they needed to grow population to make more warriors, etc? But clearly, we are not in a population shortage today, and if anything the earth is overpopulated and humans are still growing exponentially in numbers. So a few people not procreating (and that wouldn't just be due to homosexuality) is actually helping us more than it is hurting us, given the limited resources that we have on our planet.

To be honest I severely doubt that the world is overpopulated.
There is scarcity of essential resources only because of corruption and greed causing unfair distributions.
For example in the US, there are tonnes upon tonnes of extra crop grown every year to the point, farmers are paid subsidies as reward to not over produce. All the excess grain is stored for years in silos or unceremoniously dumped into the ocean.
In Bangladesh, am impoverished country very dependent upon foreign aide, rural communities are deprived of essentials like grain and tin shelters because the local political leaders hoarde the resources and sell them for a profit.
If Thomas Malthus had been right about population overcrowding, we would've been dead and gone probably a century or two ago.

I know this might not be on topic, but just my two cents.

Nature is perfect, and a miracle of self balancing homeostasis, but man is the cause of corruption and bloodshed in the world (a point the Angels noted at the origins of our creation actually, as referenced in Surah Baqarah)

Might wanna check out this video bruv:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ifllgTA2pmY

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Sahaabah-e-Kiraam had Ijmaa` (consensus) that sodomites are to be killed. They only differed in how the execution was supposed to take place. Hadhrat Abu Bakr رضي الله عنه and Hadhrat `Ali ibn Abi Taalib رضي الله عنه said that they should be burnt out. Hadhrat `Abdullaah ibn `Abbaas رضي الله عنهما said that they should be thrown to death from a high place, or they should be stoned to death.

Hadhrat Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq رضي الله عنه, Hadhrat `Ali ibn Abi Taalib رضي الله عنه, Hadhrat Khaalid ibn al-Waleed رضي الله عنه, Hadhrat `Abdullaah ibn az-Zubayr رضي الله عنه, Hadhrat `Abdullaah ibn `Abbaas رضي الله عنه, from the Sahaabah, and Imaam Maalik, Imaam ash-Shaafi`ee, Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal and Imaam Is-haaq ibn Raahawayh from the Fuqahaa, as well as others, all gave the verdict that sodomites are to be killed regardless of whether they are married or not.

During the conquests of the Sahaabah, Hadhrat Khaalid ibn al-Waleed رضي الله عنه once came across a male in one particular Arab tribe whom the men would have sexual intercourse with like they would with a woman. He wrote to the Khaleefah, Hadhrat Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq رضي الله عنه, asking him what should be done with this male. Hadhrat Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq رضي الله عنه consulted the Sahaabah, and Hadhrat `Ali ibn Abi Taalib رضي الله عنه, who was his advisor, said: "No one did that but one of the nations (i.e. Qowm-e-Loot), and you know what Allaah did to them. My view is that he should be burnt to death." So Hadhrat Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq رضي الله عنه wrote back to Hadhrat Khaalid ibn al-Waleed رضي الله عنه informing him of this, and the homosexual was burnt to death.

Hadhrat `Abdullaah ibn `Abbaas رضي الله عنه said:

وقال عبد الله بن عباس : ينظر أعلى ما في القرية فيرمى اللوطي منها منكسا ثم يتبع بالحجارة​

"Look for the highest place in the village, then throw the sodomite off from there, and follow that up with stones (i.e. throw stones after him)."

Hadhrat `Abdullaah ibn `Abbaas رضي الله عنه based this punishment on the way Allaah Ta`aalaa had destroyed Qowm-e-Loot.

Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

من وجدتموه يعمل عمل قوم لوط فاقتلوا الفاعل والمفعول به​

"If you find anyone doing the action of the people of Loot (i.e. sodomy), then kill the doer and the one to whom it is done." [Narrated by Ahl as-Sunan and authenticated by Imaam ibn Hibbaan and Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, and its Isnaad (chain of narrators) is authentic according to the conditions of Imaam al-Bukhaari.]

Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

لعن الله من عمل عمل قوم لوط ، لعن الله من عمل عمل قوم لوط ، لعن الله من عمل عمل قوم لوط​

"May Allaah curse the one who does the action of Qowm-e-Loot (i.e. sodomy). May Allaah curse the one who does the action of Qowm-e-Loot. May Allaah curse the one who does the action of Qowm-e-Loot."

[Note: There are some people who claim that Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم never cursed anyone. As you can see from the above Hadeeth, they are highly mistaken.]