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Oh I know one. I didn't like "11 o'clock chocolate cake". The whole book was completely pointless! :hmm:
 
Greetings,
RoseGold said:
I like Romeo and Juliet as well. I have a total different take on it than other people. I hate it was "sexual tension" is talked about. I don't think it has anything to do with it.
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I would love to hear more about this...

Peace
 
I just feel it's more about family feuds preventing marriages than sexual tension.

I've been through the debate over whether Romeo and Juliet experience real love or if they're just two deprived teenagers.

But I disagree.

If sex was all they were after, why not stop the follies after they spent their first night together?

Why fake your own death, leave your family, for sex?

Why run back into the city you were banished from, break into the tomb of you biggest enemies daughter just for sex?

There's more to it than that.

I feel that Shakespeare's intention was to show people how damaging family politics, pride, and parental dictation can be. NOT how sex dominates your decisions
 
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This is all very true.

But when viewed through the lens of a thirteen year-old female stereotype, all roads lead to 'ah, butterflies, love, lush, lilac!'

I need to read Othello...
 
Muezzin said:
But when viewed through the lens of a thirteen year-old female stereotype, all roads lead to 'ah, butterflies, love, lush, lilac!'
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Oh, I definitely agree with you there. Juliet is very naive. Yet she makes some adult decisions. Such as faking her death for example. It's like the true strength and woman-hood comes through at the end. Very much like Portia from the merchant of venice. Another of Shakespeare's brilliant plays :)
 
Greetings,

Thank you for your thoughts, RoseGold. I'm always interested to hear people's thoughts about Shakespeare. I think you're right, except in one point.

RoseGold said:
I just feel it's more about family feuds preventing marriages than sexual tension.

I've been through the debate over whether Romeo and Juliet experience real love or if they're just two deprived teenagers.

But I disagree.

If sex was all they were after, why not stop the follies after they spent their first night together?

Why fake your own death, leave your family, for sex?

Why run back into the city you were banished from, break into the tomb of you biggest enemies daughter just for sex?

There's more to it than that.
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You are definitely right that there is more to it than that, but I'm not sure anyone would really argue that the play is all about sex, or that sex is the main motivation for the young lovers' actions. Most people would say that Romeo and Juliet did what they did for love rather than sex.

Peace
 
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Speaking of Shakespeare's plays, I finished Hamlet. I'm bitter that Fortinbras gets to take over Denmark in the end. I feel I don't know him enough to real judge his character and be happy that at least a good king sits for Denmakr....plus, Didn't Hamlet mature in the end? whyyyyyyy? :'(. Shakespeare always challenges us by making us look twice at the lines before we judge. There's always something hidden we never see. but in my mind Hamlet > Fortinbras.



Romeo & Juliet is annoying to me because I believe if Romeo didn't commit suicide by drinking the poison, Juliet would have woken up in time. They could have happly lived after. So why should I feel as sad I do? Suicide is not an option. I want to feel sympathetic for the lovers. I do at times, but ....
(Nonetheless, I'm always a sucker for mankind. Always overly sympathizing)
 
True. Admittedly sex is on at least Romeo's mind lol. But for Juliet it is very different. She is so naive and almost lost in her own happy world.

Mind you, one could argue her meeting Romeo opened up her eyes to such. . . enjoyments. doesn't she compare herself to a child who has new robes but cannot wear them? I doubt she is simply talking about being a wife in the "love" terms.

But I still stick by saying sexual tensions play little part in the events in the play
 
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One of my all time favorites is A Tale of Two Cities. I feel that Darnay and the blonde French girl ( her name I can't remember) are too unreal. But.. Sydney Carton. He's a real character with depth. There are times when I feel like I'm that lost American kid just growing up without any guidance, I feel just as useless and hopeless as Sydney Carton did. =/.
 
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Romeo & Juliet is annoying to me because I believe if Romeo didn't commit suicide by drinking the poison, Juliet would have woken up in time. They could have happly lived after. So why should I feel as sad I do? Suicide is not an option. I want to feel sympathetic for the lovers. I do at times, but ....
(Nonetheless, I'm always a sucker for mankind. Always overly sympathizing)
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Lol that is a very frustrating part. But to be honest I think it's symbolic of how such a little thing stood in their way. i.e. family pride
 
RoseGold said:
Lol that is a very frustrating part. But to be honest I think it's symbolic of how such a little thing stood in their way. i.e. family pride
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how so?

I don't think I'd ever thought much of it other than "Love makes peope do crazy things."
Love is *sigh* a strong feeling.
 
Greetings, RoseGold,

It looks like you've misunderstood me - but it's definitely my fault, because I foolishly left out the word "not" in my post.

Sorry. :embarrass

Peace
 
czgibson said:
Greetings, RoseGold,

It looks like you've misunderstood me - but it's definitely my fault, because I foolishly left out the word "not" in my post.

Sorry. :embarrass

Peace
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Oh no problem. I'm quite adaptable so I can see your side whatever the post :D

And sis transition, could you explain a little more about your question; how so?

From what i understood from your question, I've already answered it in my post :)
 
RoseGold said:
Oh, I definitely agree with you there. Juliet is very naive. Yet she makes some adult decisions. Such as faking her death for example. It's like the true strength and woman-hood comes through at the end. Very much like Portia from the merchant of venice. Another of Shakespeare's brilliant plays :)
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Weirdly enough, I was referring to certain members of the play's vast audience when I made the 'twelve year old girl stereotype' comment, but it can indeed apply to the character Juliet.
 
Right, are there any good high speed, fast read books out there?
I don't actually want to do my work and would rather read instead.
Oh, has anyone read Clockwork orange. It was one confuzzling book and unfortunately I didn't have the patience to read it to the end...
 
^^A Clockwork Orange is one of my favorite books, ever.
It may be a bit confusing with the language at first, but you get used to it. If you're reeeally confused at first, you could print out a "dictionary" of the terms it uses from online and use it while you're reading..

Anyone read The Oedipus Cycle ? Bought it a while ago, haven't read it yet.. Am I going to love it, or hate it?

Oh, just started My Sister's Keeper as well, it's interesting so far..
 
crayon said:
^^A Clockwork Orange is one of my favorite books, ever.
It may be a bit confusing with the language at first, but you get used to it. If you're reeeally confused at first, you could print out a "dictionary" of the terms it uses from online and use it while you're reading..

Anyone read The Oedipus Cycle ? Bought it a while ago, haven't read it yet.. Am I going to love it, or hate it?

Oh, just started My Sister's Keeper as well, it's interesting so far..
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What was it about clockwork orange you liked?
After a while I understood what he was saying and everything, but to me it felt as if the whole story was just moving really really slowly! Seriously, I'm not a patient person...
 
Well, I'm a fan of dystopian novels in general, and this one was no exception.
It doesn't move too slowly for me, just right...:)
 

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