Boston bombings

[جوري]

264 victims were taken to 27 hospitals. Not one hospital worker has contradicted that story

Again, read the link above, the more people involved the wider the diffusion capacity. Also, I am not speaking of 264 victims, I am speaking about a specific case above, for which folks have indeed pointed out the discrepancy- you also don't need 27 hospitals to point out one victim's injuries. Your style of writing gets more hostile when at a loss to explain the injuries(for that specific case) with what we know of medicine, why is that do you suppose?

 

[Independent]

the more people involved the wider the diffusion capacity.

We're not talking about bystanders, we're talking about active participants. You need 264 victims and probably thousands of hospital/care workers to be actively involved in either the act itself, or the cover up afterwards.

I am speaking about a specific case above, for which folks have indeed pointed out the discrepancy- you also don't need 27 hospitals to point out one victim's injuries.

Surf around and you will find professionals who think what they have seen of Jeff's injuries is perfectly credible. If you choose to ignore them, and take someone else, that's a choice, not objectivity.

You are repeating the professional conspiracists trick. Focus in on this one thing that suits you, ignore everything else. Demand that the official account is watertight in every last detail, yet refuse to make even a rudimentary attempt at an account of your own.

For Jeff's injuries to be a fake, for his father to be a liar etc, all the other 263 victims and the 3 fatalities also have to be fake. You have shown zero evidence for this.

Tell us how the other 266 were faked and show evidence.

 

[جوري]

We're not talking about bystanders, we're talking about active participants. You need 264 victims and probably thousands of hospital/care workers to be actively involved in either the act itself, or the cover up afterwards.

What do the 264 victims have to do with that specific case in your mind?

Surf around and you will find professionals who think what they have seen of Jeff's injuries is perfectly credible. If you choose to ignore them, and take someone else, that's a choice, not objectivity.

I don't need to surf I went to medical school and I know what a major arterial injury does to a person, even if blood loss is controlled on the scene that wouldn't explain his state of being!

You are repeating the professional conspiracists trick. Focus in on this one thing that suits you, ignore everything else. Demand that the official account is watertight in every last detail, yet refuse to make even a rudimentary attempt at an account of your own.

I don't ignore or accept based on hearsay. I have a mind I use it.. you should try it too sometimes!

For Jeff's injuries to be a fake, for his father to be a liar etc, all the other 263 victims and the 3 fatalities also have to be fake. You have shown zero evidence for this.

Again not an argument to make. You need to deal with the science not the emotions.

Tell us how the other 266 were faked and show evidence.

Again, speaking one case. Can you deal with that case scientifically?

best,

 

[Independent]

I went to medical school

I am not interested in your diagnosis by photo compared to those medics who actually attended to him both at the scene and in hospital - and who are still attending to him now. If he was wearing fake legs, I'm confident that their years in medical school and on the job would have let them know. I am sure they could tell the difference between a man who lost his legs years ago, versus someone who lost them an hour ago.

Your remote opinion is of no value, even if you were in any way capable of being objective.

People arguing about whether he looks pale enough, or upset enough in the photo is not going to solve anything. What will solve it definitively one way or the other is the other 266 victims.

What do the 264 victims have to do with that specific case in your mind?

If he is a fake, they have to be fakes too. Show us the evidence!

You claim that your conspiracy theory is as legitimate as the official account, yet you won't subject your theory to anything like the same standards.

 

[جوري]

I am not interested in your diagnosis by photo compared to those medics who actually attended to him both at the scene and in hospital -

We're not asking for your interest- we're asking for facts. Your beliefs play no part in this.

If he was wearing fake legs, I'm confident that their years in medical school and on the job would have let them know. I am sure they could tell the difference between a man who lost his legs years ago, versus someone who lost them an hour ago.

Nothing to do with fake legs and everything to do with ACLS, volume resuscitation, hemorrhage control, prevention of shock. If you don't understand what that means can't wrap your mind around basic anatomy & physiology then at least quit embarrassing yourself to those of us who do!

Your remote opinion is of no value, even if you were in any way capable of being objective.

Yes, you keep saying, except it isn't an opinion. Open any basic book & it will tell you the same:
The femoral artery is a main artery in the body that runs from the external iliac artery, near the stomach, all the way down both legs. It carries oxygen and nutrients to the lower half of the body. Vital to survival, if cut, an average person will typically bleed to death within 10 or 15 minutes without immediate medical intervention. Whenever this artery is injured, it becomes a life and death situation. The same actually holds true for all arteries, because they carry much of the body's blood supply.
There is a triangular shaped region in the upper thigh, next to the groin area, where the femoral artery intersects with the femoral vein and the femoral nerve. This area is known as Scarpa's triangle, named so in 1823 by the Italian surgeon Antonio Scarpa. Also called the femoral triangle by some medical professionals, this region serves as an anatomical landmark for surgeons and other healthcare professionals. Using the triangle as a reference point enables surgeons to make more accurate incisions, as well as prevent injury to the femoral region during surgery. The femoral pulse is also taken from this region.
http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-the-femoral-artery.htm

People arguing about whether he looks pale enough, or upset enough in the photo is not going to solves anything. What will solve it definitively one way or the other is the other 266 victims.

Again, not an argument, you keep dancing and you offer no scientific explanation and why is that?

If he is a fake, they have to be fakes too. Show us the evidence!

Shouldn't we deal with his case first? and I have no problem accepting false flag operations it is a fact!

You claim that your conspiracy theory is as legitimate as the official account, yet you won't subject your theory to anything like the same standards.

'Conspiracy theory'- is your term for things clearly over your head I guess!

best,

 

[Independent]

Yes, you keep saying, except it isn't an opinion.

Yes it is, because you are looking at photos whereas his doctors are looking at him and all the other victims. You are just an anonymous person on a website who may or may not have had some form of medical training. Even if you have, it still means nothing. Jeff's doctors and nurses are at his side. Other doctors and other nurses have been at the side of 100s of other patients.

Do you think they can tell the difference between fake blood or not?

 

[جوري]

Yes it is, because you are looking at photos whereas his doctors are looking at him and all the other victims.

I take it you've no explanation as to why a guy who has sustained major blood loss through a very high velocity vessel wasn't near death, his mental status was AAOX3 and without an IV bag in sight to slightly raise his BP so he's not gibbering?.. wow hallelujah it is a miracle.. when did you become so faithful?

You are just an anonymous person on a website who may or may not have had medical training.

Whatever you say. Everyone here worthwhile knows me, regardless, I take it that you don't have an answer to the case presented and prefer to spend time discussing my training?

Even if you have, it still means nothing.

Actually it is the crux of the entire story, since this particular character who wasn't in shock or anything after sustaining major blood loss from a high velocity vessel is the one that identified the culprit!

Jeff's doctors and nurses are at his side. Other doctors and other nurses have been at the side of 100s of other patients.

how many logical fallacies are amalgamated into one here?

Do you think they can tell the difference between fake blood or not?

No one has come to explain this little miracle for us really for me to issue a thought on the matter. There is what I know to be logical or consistent with logic and then there's everything else!

best,

 

[Independent]

Why don't you go and meet him? See for yourself? You're in New York aren't you? Go and have a chat with some of the victims, I'm sure they'd appreciate your expert medical advice.

Perhaps you could make a round trip of it and see how they're getting on down in Sandy Hook too?

 

[جوري]

Why don't you go and meet him? See for yourself? You're in New York aren't you? Go and have a chat with some of the victims, I'm sure they'd appreciate your expert medical advice.

Perhaps you could make a round trip of it and see how they're getting on down in Sandy Hook too?

Glad you admit although so tongue in cheek that you've nothing substantial to impart but the usual braying. Whomever is paying you to do this so diligently should teach you some basic ACLS/CPR for the normal questions that will crop up.. you don't need a doctorate to have some common sense!

best,

 

[Independent]

best,

This was the only word I could find of value.

It's amazing to see how far you will go to avoid taking any action, or asking any question, that might actually endanger you of finding out the truth. It's totally within your power to check this stuff out for real, face to face. But you'd rather sit at home, cut and pasting articles and writing 'BS' (another of your favourite expressions) on this website.

We can never settle it here, not if you want to avoid most of the evidence, but you could check Jeff out 100% in real life and (to go all Biblical on it) like Doubting Thomas put your fingers in his wounds.

But you never will!

 

[جوري]

btw on a completely unrelated note.. folks should watch the entire documentary on the 'woman that wasn't there'

imagine that..

and imagine this.. here she is honored with the best of them and years before it was found out, she was neither in the towers, didn't lose anyone and was in fact in another country all together.. If whom you know is padding and media circus is the truth then people do deserve the title of idiots for believing everything they see and questioning none of it!

 

[جوري]

This was the only word I could find of value.

That seems like an adequate assessment of how you've handled this!

It's amazing to see how far you will go to avoid taking any action, or asking any question, that might actually endanger you of finding out the truth. It's totally within your power to check this stuff out for real, face to face. But you'd rather sit at home, cut and pasting articles and writing 'BS' (another of your favourite expressions) on this website.

And what action have you taken? what questions have you asked? in fact we are the ones asking the questions- you're merely parroting BS you see on TV which is completely and utterly illogical and as I have demonstrated in just the last post, media frenzy and governmental recognition doesn't denote the story is at all true. How are you handling this cognitive dissonance?
This tirade is best directed at your own person in fact and if BS is what you're dispensing with then there's no harm pointing it out. If you can't come up with something logical & coherent to explain his medical condition then don't throw a tantrum, everyone can see through the charade!

We can never settle it here, not if you want to avoid most of the evidence, but you could check Jeff out 100% in real life and (to go all Biblical on it) like Doubting Thomas put your fingers in his wounds.

What evidence is there exactly? A man who is minutes away from death literally a life & death situation who should be a 3 on a glasgow scale looking like a 13 at worst?

But you never will!

Guess that is just your inner child speaking!

best,

 

[Independent]

what questions have you asked?

I have asked you plenty of questions.

What about the other 266 victims?
Why can't the medical staff tell the difference between fake blood and non existent injuries?
What about the hundreds if not thousands of other witnesses on the day?
What about all the friends and relatives, why don't they say anything?

And I'll add a few more - how did the stage handlers manage to transform that street into a disaster area in seconds without anybody capturing it on camera?
Why doesn't Alex Jones or some other nutcase go and meet some victims himself, if you won't?
Biggest question of all - why bother faking it? If they blew up the Twin Towers why get actors in for Boston?

You actually have no idea how to answer this do you? In all your posts you always avoid these questions and for sure you're going to avoid it again now.

 

[titus]

So we have learned that a guy with EMT training in Oregon is a more valid source of what happened in Boston than the doctors that treated these people. Is that correct?

And we add Jeff Baumans entire family and all of his friends in on the conspiracy because not one of them has come forward to say that he was an amputee already.

Or maybe Jeff was so dedicated to this conspiracy that he had them cut his legs off without anyone knowing about it before the fake bombings in order to help pull it off. Does this actually make sense to anyone?

This is reminding me of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists that believe that it was a missile that hit the Pentagon instead of a plane. At some point you just have to call it absurd.

 

[جوري]

What about the other 266 victims?

What about them? We're concerned with this guy, since this guy identified the culprit. Do you think you can concentrate and not meander from topic?

Why can't the medical staff tell the difference between fake blood and non existent injuries?

Even well trained doctors can't always tell the difference for instance to the naked eye myoglobinuria may mimic blood, and needs a specific test.. but say they can all tell the difference between ketchup and blood, what does this have to do with that particular case and how incongruent his injuries are with his state of being?

What about the hundreds if not thousands of other witnesses on the day?

What about them? a bomb did indeed go off, what is your point?

What about all the friends and relatives, why don't they say anything?

Relatives of whom exactly? this particular fellow?

And I'll add a few more - how did the stage handlers manage to transform that street into a disaster area in seconds without anybody capturing it on camera?

It was a disaster area, question is who is the culprit?
The woman in the previous video described the situation quite well and got away with it for seven years. All you really need is one person!

Why doesn't Alex Jones or some other nutcase go and meet some victims himself, if you won't?

And what would be the point of that be? His condition was only relevant when it happened not a few days later.
If you're in shock and recover or have a heart attack and are resuscitated, what difference would it make if I go check on you a few days later? You've recovered and discharged on meds what does that have to do with anything? Try to do more than piece nonsense together.

Biggest question of all - why bother faking it? If they blew up the Twin Towers why get actors in for Boston?

That's a question to target to the govt. Sr. Islamica has already offered an article with several laws passed and changes made. I don't feel like moving to the next stage until the more pressing questions have been answered. You have not answered them, you've deflected and padded!

You actually have no idea how to answer this do you? It's classic of you to pick the dumbest, least plausible, craziest part of the whole conspiracy theory to hang your hat on. Even some of the professionals aren't pushing this one any more.

Again, an adequate assessment of yourself.
Concentrate, don't meander, don't get emotional unless of course this causes a decreased in your pay!

best,

 

[جوري]

So we have learned that a guy with EMT training in Oregon is a more valid source of what happened in Boston than the doctors that treated these people. Is that correct?

This has nothing to do with EMT or doctors or who has the best training in the world. In fact most EMT workers are certified in ACLS and trauma care. His story isn't what's on trial. What is on trial is the level of trauma he sustained to his condition when pictured. Believe me no amount of sarcasm, or appeals to authority, or appeals to science (which you'll be unable to explain) is going to save you in this debacle, and it certainly shouldn't be the answer to help your buddy here by parroting his points of view. Two equally erroneous points of view with conviction doesn't make a right.

If you've not been involved with a high profile case in a hospital I suggest you spare us the drivel.

best,

 

[Independent]

What about them? a bomb did indeed go off, what is your point?

So you agree there was a bomb? Why have you waited 15 pages to say that?

Please give us your short narrative of what happened on the day, I have no idea which bits of which conspiracy you're hanging onto.

 

[جوري]

So you agree there was a bomb? Why have you waited 15 pages to say that?

Are you confused again or didn't bother with the thread title?

Please give us your short narrative of what happened on the day, I have no idea which bits of which conspiracy you're hanging onto.

I have no interest in narratives, that's the job of western govt. I just wish they'd write the scenario before releasing it to cross their T's and dot their I's .. be that as it may, are you going to answer the trauma, vascular/pressure, volume depletion, shock questions as pertaining to this gentleman's wounds or are we going to keep going around in circles for another 13 pages in which case you and pal can dispense with sarcasm, meander, throw fits, piece together illogical & incoherent questions or ask inane unrelated material all together?

best,

 

[titus]

The best people to answer the questions about his legs would be his doctors since they are the only ones with first hand knowledge of all the details.

Unless of course you believe the doctors at the hospital are in on the conspiracy.

 

[جوري]

The best people to answer the questions about his legs would be his doctors since they are the only ones with first hand knowledge of all the details.

Unless of course you believe the doctors at the hospital are in on the conspiracy.

victims of trauma in hospitals are given aliases. No one knows who they're if there's a govt. coverup or not- it doesn't matter since they treat the condition only. They wouldn't know any better to put a name with an injury and there's also such a thing as patient confidentiality. People lose their license for divulging medical information. Or do you not know that little morsel? It is really not that difficult, open a book on vascular injury, basic trauma to a high velocity vessel and explain to us in a logical scientific way, what went down!

best,