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[Perseveranze]

Two state solution on 1967 borders and a peaceful co-existence is the only way forward. Settle on a compromise for God sake. Palestinians can't settle disputes among themselves that they are now divided into two factions...how are they gonna settle disputes with Israel?

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Whatever is currently best for the Palestinians until Allah(swt) knows best.

But never forget something, that goes well beyond Palestinians;

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Some very rich Jews at the time saw a weakened Islamic State and looked to try and buy Palestine from the Caliphate (Sultan Abdul Hamid ||, the last Caliphate of Islam). They tried to set up a meeting with the him (but got turned away), with a letter stating these words;

” Please advise Dr Hertzel not to make any serious move in this matter. I cannot give up even one small patch of land in Palestine. It is not something that I own as a part of my personal estate. “Palestine in fact belongs to the Muslim Nation as a whole. My people have fought with their blood and sweat to protect this land, so let the Jews keep their millions and once the Khilafah is torn apart one day, then they can take Palestine without a price. To have the scalpel cut my body is less painful than to witness Palestine being detached from the Khilafah state and this is not going to happen …”

Letter - http://alsunna.org/gallery/data/media/23/abdul_hamid_letter.jpg

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With that, whether Israel wipes Gaza of the map or not, Muslims until the very end of our existence, will never cease to retake Jerusalem. At every opportunity we get, we'll go for it. This is something Israel will never forget, and has acknowledged, that as long as there are Muslims, Israel will never be able to rest.

And that's the reality of it, there can never be any true peace, with the existence of Israel - only temporary "cease fires".

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Muslims until the very end of our existence, will never cease to retake Jerusalem.

Since when we Muslims have a love affair with a piece of land. God will not send you to hell for not retaking a piece of land. Why is Jerusalem worth giving thousands of lives for? Does the Noble Qur'an state that we Muslims must own it? Anyway, in a two state solution, half of Jerusalem should ideally be under Palestinian governance.

 

[جوري]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Whatever is currently best for the Palestinians until Allah(swt) knows best.

But never forget something, that goes well beyond Palestinians;

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Some very rich Jews at the time saw a weakened Islamic State and looked to try and buy Palestine from the Caliphate (Sultan Abdul Hamid ||, the last Caliphate of Islam). They tried to set up a meeting with the him (but got turned away), with a letter stating these words;

” Please advise Dr Hertzel not to make any serious move in this matter. I cannot give up even one small patch of land in Palestine. It is not something that I own as a part of my personal estate. “Palestine in fact belongs to the Muslim Nation as a whole. My people have fought with their blood and sweat to protect this land, so let the Jews keep their millions and once the Khilafah is torn apart one day, then they can take Palestine without a price. To have the scalpel cut my body is less painful than to witness Palestine being detached from the Khilafah state and this is not going to happen …”

Letter - http://alsunna.org/gallery/data/media/23/abdul_hamid_letter.jpg

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With that, whether Israel wipes Gaza of the map or not, Muslims until the very end of our existence, will never cease to retake Jerusalem. At every opportunity we get, we'll go for it. This is something Israel will never forget, and has acknowledged, that as long as there are Muslims, Israel will never be able to rest.

And that's the reality of it, there can never be any true peace, with the existence of Israel - only temporary "cease fires".

It is alarming what little understanding of geopolitics, and worse yet of religion some of these individuals who label themselves 'Muslims' have. In lieu of quoting the Quran they quote empty rhetoric and meaningless slogans and no realization of just how superficial and injurious the crap they repeat ergo the Zionist mouth piece or its impact.
Thankfully they're not the ones making decisions but I can certainly see them working as spies and sell outs for the right price or even for free to assimilate' in societies where they can never reach east or west!

33:60 Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City, desist not, We shall certainly stir thee up against them: Then will they not be able to stay in it as thy neighbours for any length of time:

there's certainly something to be said of all three groups and those who reflect the same ideology today!

 

[Roasted Cashew]

It is alarming what little understanding of geopolitics, and worse yet of religion some of these individuals who label themselves 'Muslims' have. In lieu of quoting the Quran they quote empty rhetoric and meaningless slogans and no realization of just superficial the crap they repeat ergo the Zionist mouth piece and its impact.

Why is Jerusalem worth giving thousands of lives for? Does the Noble Qur'an state that we Muslims must own it? Anyway, in a two state solution, half of Jerusalem should ideally be under Palestinian governance.

Thankfully they're not the ones making decisions

Yea, because those who are making decisions have done such a tremendous job.

certainly see them working as spies

You have an eyesight of an eagle...Nah, even eagles can't look into the future.

 

[جوري]

Why is Jerusalem worth giving thousands of lives for? Does the Noble Qur'an state that we Muslims must own it? Anyway, in a two state solution, half of Jerusalem should ideally be under Palestinian governance.

The lives aren't being given up for a land but for principal I don't expect that you've any understanding of that, or of history or of religion!

Yea, because those who are making decisions have done such a tremendous job.

I imagine most of the despots in the Muslims world to reflect your personality and sickness!

You have an eyesight of an eagle...Nah, even eagles can look into the future.

Al7mdullilah the signs will unravel as Allah swt declared if people are true to their religion and those who aren't will enjoy their life for a while and be rendered with those they love and admire.

best,

 

[islamica]

why was Pakistan worth giving giving thousands of lives for? how can you not see someone coming from another continent to take your land by force and think it's ok?

the quote of stephen hawking fits you well, you should ponder over it before using it so carelessly.

 

[جوري]

the land of Palestine was "supposedly" promised to the seed of
Abraham. If one researches the Ancient Hebrew laws, the right of decent or
inheritance is based on the eldest son, no matter whom the mother is. If
this is the case, then the land was promised to Ishamel (for he was the
eldest of Abraham's sons) and the Father of Palestinian Arabs. In addition,
modern day Jews from Russia, Poland and most parts of Eastern Europe have NO
genetic link to the ancient Hebrews - they for the most part are decendents
of Khazars, who converted to Judaism in the 7th century (this has been
documented by Jewish scholars, not Arabs). The modern day Palestinians can
claim a more direct link to the Hebrew tribes than the founders of modern day
"Israel." What the Western Press purposely avoids mentioning is the fact
that at the start of the 20th century, less than 5% of the land of Palestine
was Jewish. The modern State of Israel was built on lands illegally taken and
assimilated from Palestinian Christians and Muslims. Also, the Hebrews only
ruled the land of Palestine for a combined 411 years - the Muslims have ruled
the land for 1,500 years. In addition, the land of Canaan (Palestine) had a
history long before the Jewish tribes immigrated to the area.
Abraham PBUH BOUGHT a land from the people of Canaan to bury Sarah and he wasn't some Polish Jew, he's from what is known as modern day Iraq and his ancestry is from what is modern day Yemen. We can't say that about any of the squatters or the terrorists that brought them the 'Haganah, Irgun and Stern gang'
It is almost an insult to engage in a conversation being so ill versed in the subject and worse yet having so little care!

 

[CosmicPathos]

roasted cashew is one of those Humsafar-struck naive softy Pakistani cultural Muslim.

 

[Independent]

I believe a violent strategy is the wrong way to achieve a free Palestine for the following reasons.

Firstly, Gaza is in no way capable of fighting a proper war against Israel by itself and never will be. To enter into a conflict without previously agreeing support from other Arab states is – literally - suicidal.

Hamas has committed itself to a war strategy. It spends about 30% of GDP on arms (compared to just 1% on agriculture). This is probably the highest rate in the world and more than 6 times that of the supposedly warmongering US (4.7%). However, because Gaza is so poor it still doesn’t add up to much of an army. What it does add up to is an economic situation that’s even worse than it needs to be.

Worse still, Hamas have chosen to spend the money they can’t afford mainly on rockets. These rockets are of no military significance. They are so hopelessly inaccurate that large areas are the only realistic target. Civilians are therefore mostly what they hit. So far in this conflict they have fired well over a 1,000 rockets into Israel and hit…one soldier. Imagine yourself as a military commander. Do you think you’re going to win?

The reason Hamas have chosen this weapon is because it enables them to make gestures of defiance against Israel. But gestures is all they are. They are (very expensive) purely symbolic weapons.

Worse still, the presence of these weapons guarantees that Israel will attack central Gaza. What is the point of these weapons, if it isn’t military?

By using these weapons Hamas plays into the hands of Israeli propaganda. It allows Israel to say that no state can tolerate its neighbor lobbing missiles into its towns and cities whenever it feels like it.

The real war - the war that can actually be won - is being fought out in the battle of world opinion. The rockets do far more damage to Hamas’s propaganda position than they ever do to Israel. Even if there were 200,000 rockets instead of 2,000, it would not bring a military solution one inch closer. But it would certainly destroy world sympathy.

Hamas should change its policy from blood sacrifice to one of converting world opinion. They should orchestrate a campaign of economic boycotts, civil disobedience and political pressure. They should also focus their attention on governing Gaza in an exemplary way. Make it a shining example to the world. Show how Israel could be under Palestinian rule. Use new media far more effectively than they are now. The opportunities for influencing popular opinion are totally different from even just 10 years ago, they need to use their imagination. Shooting ‘traitors’ in the street does not advance this.

And what’s the alternative? Even if all the neighbouring states joined in and Palestine is recovered, it will be at the cost of hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives across the region. The 100 odd lives that have been lost in the last week will be as nothing. It could lead to the total destruction of symbolic centres like Jerusalem. And that’s actually the best that could happen! In practice it’s more likely to lead to military defeat and the severe destabilization of every Arab state that involves itself.

Will non-violent methods work? They have in another countries where outright military resistance was not feasible. How can a non violent strategy be any less successful than what's happening now?

 

[جوري]

Will non-violent methods work?

NO, Israel must be annihilated!
Its enemies are numerous and its end approaching in shaa Allah. The whole middle east is changing around it and regardless of governments the people have a deep seething hatred that is unlikely to change merely because the Israel and its poodles campaign on TV for it with false propaganda!
have a look at what the spawn of Satan are actually doing and you'll have an understanding why your silly analysis is full of hot air!
We don't campaign to change world opinion on what rightfully belongs to us. It isn't our job to dispel rumors Israel and its wh0res created.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

roasted cashew is one of those Humsafar-struck naive softy Pakistani cultural Muslim.

Dude, my female cousins forced me to watch it.. Wasn't that bad though. Don't agree on the naive and softy part though.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

The lives aren't being given up for a land but for principal

But when "Perseveranze" says:

Muslims until the very end of our existence, will never cease to retake Jerusalem. At every opportunity we get, we'll go for it.

doesn't really sound like principal to me. More like a land grab competition. I asked that question with this context in mind.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

why was Pakistan worth giving giving thousands of lives for?

Well technically Gandhi used non-violence to gain Independence from the British Raj. The Muslims of the subcontinent had a strong political party and diplomatically convinced Gandhi and most of the other big players of that time to form Pakistan. Technically nobody gave their life for it for it's formation. Yes, later during the mass migration, racial tensions flared and many died of the result but that is different, not equal to giving your life for Pakistan.

 

[جوري]

But when "Perseveranze" says:


doesn't really sound like principal to me. More like a land grab competition. I asked that question with this context in mind.

Yours isn't the measuring stick by which anyone operates.

best,

 

[جوري]

It is like the political analyst said today, Israel has shown the world it owns weapons and can fire randomly and without purpose but it has also shown thoughtlessness and no understanding of political strategy!

 

[Ramadhan]

Its quite sad to see how muslims turn on one another - even in the midst of our ummah being in such desperation.
Does anyone know the reasons why certain posters have not posted as yet on this thread?
Do they know what those very people may directly be involved in to directly aid their brothers and sisters? vs. endless hours of talk?
Do they know what attempts they have already made to create awareness of the situation in Gaza?

So, how can they so quickly be labelled as 'hypocrites'?

I didn't have any one poster here in mind at all. Seriously.

I was talking about muslims I know in real life. I know those type of people. Those who spend their entire life trying to appease the west and look down on their brothers and sisters in Islam who are more "traditional".

If they don't think they are hypocrites, you are welcome to your opinion.

Its no wonder that this ummah is in the state it is.
If we can not even see past our differences on a virtual platform, what hope do we have in real life?

I hope you can also see past our differences, no?

 

[Ramadhan]

Since when we Muslims have a love affair with a piece of land. God will not send you to hell for not retaking a piece of land. Why is Jerusalem worth giving thousands of lives for? Does the Noble Qur'an state that we Muslims must own it? Anyway, in a two state solution, half of Jerusalem should ideally be under Palestinian governance.

Do you accept peacefully if I go to your own house, then violently force you to retreat to a toilet, then offer that you can govern part of living room (but without any furnitures)?

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Do you accept peacefully if I go to your own house, then violently force you to retreat to a toilet, then offer that you can govern part of living room (but without any furnitures)?

HELL NO!!:raging:

 

[Ramadhan]

Well technically Gandhi used non-violence to gain Independence from the British Raj. The Muslims of the subcontinent had a strong political party and diplomatically convinced Gandhi and most of the other big players of that time to form Pakistan. Technically nobody gave their life for it for it's formation. Yes, later during the mass migration, racial tensions flared and many died of the result but that is different, not equal to giving your life for Pakistan.

You use Gandhi as example.

Please enlighten me.

Did the brits force all subcontinent people to leave their homes, and segregated them in areas which were akin like open air prisons, and eliminate all their rights?

 

[Ramadhan]

HELL NO!!:raging:

Then you must know how the palestinians feel.