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[Predator]

The sin of shaving the beard is not only a Kabirah (Major) sin, but it is also Bagawah (open offence).

Its is not in the list of the 70 major sins

Major sins

1. Associating partners with Allah (Shirk)

* Great Shirk: worshipping beings other than Allah (proof all over Quran)
* Small Shirk: Riya

The Prophet (saw), "Should I not inform you of that which I fear for you even more than the dangers of Dajjal? It is the hidden shirk: A person stands to pray and he beautifies his prayer because he sees the people looking at him". (Sahih; Sunan ibn Majah)
2. Committing murder: (Furqan; 68)
3. Performing Sorcery (2: 102)
4. Not performing the Prayers (Maryam: 59)
5. Withholding the Zakat (Charity) (3: 180)
6. Breaking the fast of Ramadhan or not fasting in that month without a valid excuse.
Prophet (saw) said, "Islam is built upon five pillars: testifying that there is no true god except Allah and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, performing the prayers, paying the zakat, making the pilgrimage to the house, and fasting the month of Ramadhan" (Sahih al-Jami # 2837)
7. Not performing the pilgrimage when one has the ability to do so (above hadith)
8. Disobeying one's parents (al-Isra: 23)
9. Cutting off the ties of relationships (Muhammad: 22)
10. Committing adultery or fornication (al-Isra: 30)
11. Committing sodomy
The Prophet (saw) said, "Allah will not look at a person (with pleasure) who commits sodomy with a man or a woman" (Sahih al-Jami # 7678)
12. Taking or paying interest (2: 275)
13. Devouring the wealth of orphans (4:10)
14. Forging statements concerning Allah or forging Hadith (al-Zumar: 60)
15. Fleeing from the battle (al-Anfal: 16)
16. Wrongdoing, deception or oppression on the part of the ruler (al-Shura: 42)
17. Being arrogant, boastful, vain (al-Nahl: 23)
18. Giving false testimony (al-Furqan: 72)
19. Drinking alcoholic beverages (5: 90)
20. Gambling (5: 90)
21. Slandering innocent women (al-Nur: 23)
22. Misappropriating something from the booty (3:161)
23. Stealing (5:38)
24. Committing highway robbery (5: 33)
25. Making false oath
Prophet (saw) said, "If someone is ordered to take an oath and he takes a false oath in order to take possession of property of a Muslim, then he will incur Allah's wreath when he meets Him" (Sahih al-Jami # 6083)
26. Committing oppression (al-Shuara: 277)
27. Levying illegal taxes
Prophet (saw) said, " Do you know who the bankrupt is? The bankrupt form my nation is the one who appears on the Day of Resurrection having performed the prayers, fasted and paid the zakat, but had also abused that person, slandered that person, wrongfully taken the wealth of that person and spilled the blood of that person. These people will take from his good deeds. If his good deeds are thereby exhausted, he will be given their sins and then he will be thrown into the hell-fire" (Sahih al-Jami #87)
28. Consuming forbidden wealth or taking it by any means (2: 188)
29. Committing suicide (4: 29)
30. Being a perpetual liar (3: 61)
31. Ruling by laws other than the laws of Islam (5: 44)
32. Engaging in bribery (2: 188)
33. Women appearing like men and vice-versa
Prophet (saw) said, "Allah's curse is upon women who appear like men and upon men who appear like women" (Sahih al-Jami # 4976)
34. Being a dayyouth
Dayyouth: is the one who approves the indecency of his womenfolk and who is void of jealousy or the pimp who facilitates indecency between two people
Prophet (saw) said, "Allah has forbidden the Paradise to three people: the alcoholic, the runaway slave, and the one who is complacent in the face of the evil deeds that his family is performing" (Sahih al-Jami # 3047)
35. Marrying for the purpose of making a woman allowable for another (Baqarah)
36. Not keeping clean from the remains of urine
Ibn Abbas reported that Prophet (saw) passed by a grave and said, "These two are being punished and they are not being punished for something hard. But it is a great sin. One of them did not keep himself clean form his urine and the other went around spreading tales" (Sahih al-Jami # 2436)
37. Acting for show (al-Maoon: 4-6)
38. Acquiring knowledge only for worldly gain or concealing knowledge (2: 160)
39. Breaching trusts (al-Anfal: 27)
40. Reminding people of one's kindness (2: 27)
41. Denying predestination (al-Qamar: 49)
"If Allah were to punish the inhabitants of the heavens and earths, then He would punish and He would not be doing injustice to them. If He were to have mercy on them, His mercy would be greater than from their actions. If a person had amount of gold equivalent to Mount Uhud or similar to Mount Uhud and spent it in the Path of Allah, (that spending) would not be accepted form him by Allah until he believes in the preordainment of good and evil. And until he knows that what afflicted him was not going to miss him and what missed him was not going to afflict him. If you were to die with any belief other than that, you would enter the Hellfire" (Kitab al-Sunnah by Ibn Abu Asi # 245. Albani says that its chain is sahih)
42. Eavesdropping on other's private conversation (Hujarat: 12)
43. Spreading harmful tales(al-Qamar: 10)
44. Cursing others
Prophet (saw) said, "Abusing a Muslim is evil and fighting him is disbelief" (Sahih al-Jami # 3598)
45. Not fulfilling one's promises
Prophet (saw) said, "Whoever has a four characteristic is a complete hypocrite. Whoever posses any of these characteristics has the characteristics of hypocrisy until he gives it up; whenever he makes a promise, he breaks it up…" (Bukhari)
46. Believing in what soothsayers & astrologers say
Prophet (saw) said, "Whoever goes to fortuneteller and asks him about something will not have his prayer accepted for forty nights" (Sahih al-Jami # 5816)
47. A wife being rebellious to her husband (4: 34)
48. Putting pictures of beings with souls on clothing, curtains, rocks and any other items
Prophet (saw) said, "…the people who will receive the greatest punishment on the day of judgment are those who compete with Allah in creation [those who make pictures or statues]" (sahih al-Jami # 1691)
49. Striking one's self, wailing, tearing one's clothing, pulling one's hair & similar deeds as a form of mourning
Prophet (saw) said, "One who strikes his cheeks or tears his clothing and shouts in the manner of pre-Islamic culture is not one of us" (Sahih al-Jami # 5713)
50. Committing injustice (al-Shura: 42)
51. Being overbearing or taking advantage of the weak, slaves, wives or animals
Prophet (saw) said, "Allah will torture those who torture people in this world" (Muslim)
52. Harming neighbors
Prophet (saw) said, "A person whose neighbor is not safe from his mischief will not enter paradise" (sahih al-Jami # 7002)
53. Harming and abusing Muslims (al-Ahzab: 58)
54. Wearing one's clothes too long, i.e. below the ankles
Prophet (saw) said, "What is below the ankles will be in the hellfire " (Bukhari)
55. Harming the slaves of Allah
Prophet (saw) said that Allah said, "Whoever shows enmity to a slave of Mine (Allah's) I shall be at war with him" (Sahih al-Jami # 1778)
56. Men wearing silk & gold
Prophet (saw) said, "Gold and silk have been permitted for the females of my nation and forbidden for its males" (Sahih al-Jami # 209)
Prophet (saw) said, "Men who wears silk in this world will have no portion [of heavens] in the hereafter" (Muslim)
57. Running away of a slave
Prophet (saw) said, "If a slave runs away, his prayers will not be accepted" (Sahih al-Jami # 257)
58. Sacrificing animals for other than Allah
Prophet (Saw) said, "The one who sacrifices for other than Allah is cursed by Allah" (Sahih al-Jami # 4988)
59. Claiming that somebody is one's father while the claimant knows it is not true
Prophet (saw) said, "One who claims that someone is his father and knows that it is not true will be forbidden of paradise" (Sahih al-Jami # 5865)
60. Arguing or quarreling for show & not seeking the truth
Prophet (saw) said, "Whoever argues in support of something that is wrong and he knows it Allah will be angry with him until he stops" (Sahih al-Jami # 6073)
61. Not allowing excess water to flow to others
Prophet (saw) said, "Whoever doesn't allow the access water or pasture for others will not share in the blessings of Allah on the day of judgment" (Sahih al-Jami # 6436)
62. Not measuring the weights properly (al-Mutafafifeen: 1-3)
63. Thinking that one is safe from Allah's planning (al-Araf: 99)
64. Eating carrion, blood or pork meat (al-Anam: 145)
65. Not praying in the congregation & praying by one's self without a valid excuse
Prophet (saw) said, "Whoever hears the call to prayer and doesn't come to prayer, there is no prayer for him say for the one who has valid excuse" (Sahih al-Jami # 6176)
66. Continually not performing the Friday prayers and congregational prayers without any valid excuse
Prophet (saw) said, "If people don't stop abandoning the Friday Prayers Allah may seal their hearts and they will become headless" (Muslim)
67. Harming others by manipulation one's bequests (4: 12)
68. Being deceitful or deceptive (Fatir: 43)
69. Spying on the Muslims & pointing out their secrets (al-Kalam: 11)
70. Abusing or reviling anyone of the Companions of the Prophet (saw)
Prophet (saw) said, "Do not revile my companions for, by the one in whose hands is my soul, if you were to spend in charity a mountain of gold similar to mount Uhud it would not be equal to a handful or a half a handful (or what they have done)" (Sahih al-Jami # 7187)

Some sins are limited to the time of the act or omission, for example, Zina (adultery & fornication) is a grave sin; the sinner is sinning for the duration of that act. Whereas this sin’s time remains for as long as the beard remains shaven or trimmed to less than a fist’s length. The person will be regarded a sinner for every second his face is devoid of a proper beard, therefore sinning for that entire time span. this means it's severity aggregates and persists more than other sin

So by this logic, it would be fair to say that other sins like a Murder, Theft , Gambling Alcohol are lesser than the beard as he would be sinning only for the duration of the acts .

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

But by having a beard ... wouldn't that stop you from commiting such sins like mentioned above. Wouldn't it help stop your self more from the sins than if you didn't have the beard. This Is Shariah. How can we dare to be little the sunnah of the Beloved Prophet SAW. We shouldn't belittle something which the Prophet SAW and his companions had/did/do.

Belittling a Sunnah takes a person out of the fold of Islam.

Calm down! By misinterpreting my post, you've assumed that I'm belittling the Sunnah - where in the world did you get that idea from??

Having facial hair doesn't mean a person won't go around doing the things I mentioned earlier - how many people who aren't Muslims have a beard and still do sleep around? In fact I know Muslims who are bearded who miss prayers, and end up doing worse things. Facial hair for the sake of facial hair doesn't make anything better. Work on making people love Allah and His Messenger and have a relationship with the Qur'an and these external markers will start to make themselves apparent.

Priorities? It was the Beloved Prophets Sunnah.

Yeah sir it was, did I say it wasn't the sunnah? You have to realize however that it is just one aspect of the sunnah, it isn't the only directive the Prophet (saw) left us. What's the point of a beard if a person isn't praying or fasting? Yeah, at some level the beard is important, but tell me is drinking a greater evil or shaving? Is sleeping around a greater sin or shaving? Is not praying a greater sin or shaving? Obviously all those are greater than shaving - therefore in terms of priority they are of much more importance and need to be addressed before we start talking about beards.

Our religion prioritizes and it takes issues into account based on their importance and the immediate and long term benefit and harms on the community. There is a reason why alcohol wasn't forbidden until much later. There is a reason why zina wasn't made haram until much later in the seerah. That wasn't a priority when the revelation started - the priority at the time was to get people's imaan up. Our communities are plagued with much worse issues than shaving such as domestic violence, divorce, pornography etc. Those issues are of much greater importance.

 

[A-Brother]

Only Allah Knows Best

Apologies For The Misunderstanding Brother.It Was The Way The Reply Was Written. Only Allah Knows Best. I Think We Should Leave This Thread At That.There Was No Intention Of Hurting Your Feelings In My Post. May The Almighty Allah Grant You The Ability To Forgive Me For My Error.

May Allah Grant Us The Correct Understanding And Grant Us All Hidayah

The Following Is An Article About The Beard Too:http://www.islam.tc/beard/beard.html

 

[GuestFellow]

I agree with Tyrion. Yes, the beard is important but in the list of priorities, it's no where near the top.
As I've heard many scholars say, it's not something we need to give as much focus on as other issues such as drinking, sleeping around, depression among our community, domestic violence, weed, not praying, not fasting etc. When we can solve those problems in our communities, let's start telling people about facial hair. It's a cop out when we actively ignore those issues of much higher priority and importance and instead write huge articles (well-intentioned as they are) on what is a small piece of a large universal. We need to focus on being productive members of our community where we positively influence people's lives - not the haram police who under the guise of "enjoining the good and forbidding the evil" in fact cause more harm than benefit because of the lack of wisdom and understanding in regards to how to deal with people and a serious lack of priorities when it comes to which issues to address.

We need to get our priorities right.

Salaam,

A member posted a topic about growing the beard. Sure, it is long but there is nothing wrong with that. Just focusing on the issue of the beard does not mean all other issues are ignored.

There are many Islamic scholars that talk about drinking, fornication, adultery, homosexuality, not praying/fasting, etc. I think we have our priorities right. It is just some Muslims have difficulty implementing Islamic principles...

There are many topics on this forum that talk about issues that you have mentioned...

I'm not sure what the problem is. :

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

Salaam,

A member posted a topic about growing the beard. Sure, it is long but there is nothing wrong with that. Just focusing on the issue of the beard does not mean all other issues are ignored.

There are many Islamic scholars that talk about drinking, fornication, adultery, homosexuality, not praying/fasting, etc. I think we have our priorities right. It is just some Muslims have difficulty implementing Islamic principles...

There are many topics on this forum that talk about issues that you have mentioned...

I'm not sure what the problem is. :

Wasalam,

True. I did say that these articles are well intentioned. But the part I'm having difficulty accepting from the article is two fold:

1) It's written in a way to make a person feel guilty for not leaving the beard. It doesn't take into account that many people might not leave it because of personal issues, societal problems and it gives off the impression that those who don't are doing it out of a denial of the sunnah. People are more complex and need to be treated as people. It presents it as if it's the most important of issues and doesn't place it in the proper perspective in relation to the greater sunnah.

2) It completely ignores the fiqh of the beard. There are multiple opinions regarding the status and length of the beard and this article conveniently ignores them and proposes that a fist length beard is absolutely mandatory. That's too simplistic and doesn't do the topic any justice in my view.

 

[GuestFellow]

Wasalam,

True. I did say that these articles are well intentioned. But the part I'm having difficulty accepting from the article is two fold:

1) It's written in a way to make a person feel guilty for not leaving the beard. It doesn't take into account that many people might not leave it because of personal issues, societal problems and it gives off the impression that those who don't are doing it out of a denial of the sunnah. It presents it as if it's the most important of issues and doesn't place it in the proper perspective in relation to the greater sunnah.

2) It completely ignores the fiqh of the beard. There are multiple opinions regarding the status and length of the beard and this article conveniently ignores them and proposes that a fist length beard is absolutely mandatory. That's too simplistic and doesn't do the topic any justice in my view.

So you take issue with how it was presented. Fair enough.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

As'Salaam Alaaykum

I want to comment regarding the issue of focusing on the major issues such as drinking etc etc.. I believe it is important to focus on all issues, as each requires stages to overcome. As we are passing by, is it not also advised to also focus on the small deeds aswell? I mean not leave any out at all.

In other words, why focus on huge matters, and forget about the minor issues, or atleast make it seem like they are not important? Especially when we have the correct and right intention. So if one guides us towards the good deed regardless of it being minor or major there is still reward right? So if we continue to take major's as priority then when are we going to follow the minor's? So heres an example, just by saying Alhamdulilaah, or Subhaan'Allaah, or laa ilaaha illa-Allaah wa Allaahu akbar..there is reward within saying these words.. does that mean we should forget them and focus on the major things that cause us to have great reward? no, ofcourse not. One should strive to aquire as much as possible or has an intention to do so for the pleasure of Allaah. And by having said this I am not saying that we forget about the major's either rather we focus on both(at ones own pace ofcourse), but when the minor's are so easy why not atleast focus on them inshaa'Allaah..


There was a lecture I listened to of a Shaikh who mentioned of how a clever man once said "Deen is not in the beard or in the hat", the shaikh mentioned it was rather something of identity, in other words to be recognised as a muslim. But I want to add that the beloved Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said that if you love Allaah, follow him. Alhamdulilaah we have knowledge of everything the prophet (saw) did and how he did it, now applying those principles/laws/ways into our lives while also having the right intentions will only increase us in goodness/righteousness in the sight of Allaah inshaa'Allaah..

I hope i've made sense and apologise for the wrong I've said and please correct me if so.

Jazakallaahu Khaayr.

 

[tigerkhan]

while i always stress on basics, but i think that doesnt mean that other things are of less value. so we should not neglect or underestimate their value. eg beard, those who fear GOD and love prophet PBUH must remember that once there was some ppl from iran who visit prophet PBUH and they had long Mustaches and shaved beared, even they were not muslims but prophet PBUH get too much angry with their this outlook and He turned his face away from them.
allah swt says get into this deen completely, so better approach is we should repent for our shortcomming in deen rather than to say such words that this thing has no much value in islam.
:wa:

 

[Insaanah]

It's a cop out when we actively ignore those issues of much higher priority and importance and instead write huge articles (well-intentioned as they are) on what is a small piece of a large universal.

The only cop-out is that we can only do one or the other, not both; for the "small" issues to be ignored/left on the back burner; and that we can only do x small issue once the "big" issues are sorted. If we assume you are correct, that means we should only focus on the "big" issues, because they are the priorities, and once you we have sorted them, then go to the "small".

Let's assume this happens. Within one generation of focussing on the big things, the small things will be left, if ever to be done, as nobody will ever think they are good enough in the big things to begin doing the small. The next generation won't know about the small issues, as only the big ones have been focussed on, so they'll only know about those big ones. But in their generation, the same thing happens, so out of those big issues, people prioritise and say, no it's a cop-out to focus on x small issue - you must get y big issue sorted first. This continues. Where does it end up generations later? After all that prioritising and deciding to focus only on the "big" issues, everything will be gone, and the only thing left will be laa ilaaha illallaah:

Hudhaifah narrated that the Messenger of Allah :saws: said, “Islam will disappear just as the embroidery of a fabric becomes worn out, so much so that no one would know what is fasting, prayer, sacrifice and sadaqah. And the Book of Allah would be taken away by night and no verse of it would remain on Earth. And a section of people, decrepit old aged men and women would survive, who would say, ‘We have found our forefathers saying these words, "Laa Ilaaha Illallaah" so we also recite them...” (Sunan Ibn Maajah, Kitaab ul-Fitan, Hadeeth no. 4049)

During this time the righteous Muslims will pass away leaving only the elderly ones who know the expression ‘Laa Ilaaha Illallah', uttering it only because they heard their forefathers saying these words. They will not know anything else of Islam. This will be near the end of time.

May Allah give us the tawfeeq to do all we can to implement Islam in all aspects of our lives, and may He save us from all trials, ameen.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

This is ridiculous. We should talk about and encourage everything about the deen and everything that is part of it. There should be no reason for anyone to be getting angry or fussy over it. Every aspect of our deen is important, major or minor. Rather than resulting to unnecessary insults, encourage what is good and forbid what isn't. We should aim to do and follow as much as we can. Would the Prophet sallalalahu alayhi wasallam say let's just focus on the big stuff? We are MUSLIMS, we should focus on everything that IS islaam.

Some of the comments I see lately on these forums disgust me, by Muslims. By kaafirs it's expected, Muslims it shouldn't be.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Also if something in a post is incorrect, simply correct it. I dont see why everything has to have some sort of pun in it...

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

The only cop-out is that we can only do one or the other, not both; for the "small" issues to be ignored/left on the back burner; and that we can only do x small issue once the "big" issues are sorted. If we assume you are correct, that means we should only focus on the "big" issues, because they are the priorities, and once you we have sorted them, then go to the "small".

Let's assume this happens. Within one generation of focussing on the big things, the small things will be left, if ever to be done, as nobody will ever think they are good enough in the big things to begin doing the small. The next generation won't know about the small issues, as only the big ones have been focussed on, so they'll only know about those big ones. But in their generation, the same thing happens, so out of those big issues, people prioritise and say, no it's a cop-out to focus on x small issue - you must get y big issue sorted first. This continues. Where does it end up generations later? After all that prioritising and deciding to focus only on the "big" issues, everything will be gone, and the only thing left will be laa ilaaha illallaah:

Hudhaifah narrated that the Messenger of Allah :saws: said, “Islam will disappear just as the embroidery of a fabric becomes worn out, so much so that no one would know what is fasting, prayer, sacrifice and sadaqah. And the Book of Allah would be taken away by night and no verse of it would remain on Earth. And a section of people, decrepit old aged men and women would survive, who would say, ‘We have found our forefathers saying these words, "Laa Ilaaha Illallaah" so we also recite them...” (Sunan Ibn Maajah, Kitaab ul-Fitan, Hadeeth no. 4049)

During this time the righteous Muslims will pass away leaving only the elderly ones who know the expression ‘Laa Ilaaha Illallah', uttering it only because they heard their forefathers saying these words. They will not know anything else of Islam. This will be near the end of time.

May Allah give us the tawfeeq to do all we can to implement Islam in all aspects of our lives, and may He save us from all trials, ameen.

I don't think you've properly understood the concept of prioritizing. With the issues plaguing our communities being of a higher importance than the leaving of the beard, the priority is to address them first. This is the way of the Qur'an and the Prophetic Sunnah and we see this repeatedly throughout the seerah and by the very way the Qur'an was revealed. There is a reason why the Qur'anic revelation began with the verses of paradise and Hell - it was a greater priority to increase Imaan than to tell people to stop drinking, even though the later is important, it simply wasn't the most important time in that social reality in that particular time frame.

To say other issues are of a greater priority doesn't mean that the beard isn't of importance - and this is why your assumption is flawed because it is based on the premise that I'm saying secondary issues such as the beard aren't important at all - it simply means that we are to look at the issues at the macro level and assess their importance in the grand scale of things and address things in their level of importance.

I'm curious as to why, instead of addressing the crux of the argument I've made, you're resorting to an assumption and ending your assumption with a dramatic end-of-times scenario. Clearly, when I'm saying we need to deal with people not praying or when I'm saying we need to deal with pornography in our communities and other such issues, it simply means that these issues are of greater importance. The legal maxim states that preventing harm takes precedence over securing a benefit. Those are harms and it is of a higher priority to prevent them and deal with them.

If you want to address the issue of the beard, than tell people who are already praying five times a day and not engaging in the major sins - the message is relevant to them. The majority of the community does not consist of people who are praying five times or day or are completely away from the common problems. If our pulpits and our rhetoric is filled with these issues that, while being important, are not the most important issues currently and in addition are not the most relevant issues in the community at large, then get ready to see empty mosques 50 years down the line. This means we need a functional theology, not a rhetoric that simply regurgitates what is in our books. As Imam Suhaib Webb said, ‎"Don't study Islam to go back to your community and dictate your books without practicality. If you do, you're a criminal." And there can be no truer statement because without practicality, you're removing the human element that is inherent in our tradition. Deal with people at their level and be relevant to the community it's problems. It's problem is not that beards aren't being grown. It's problem is that there's hardly 10 people in the Masjid for Fajr.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Why is there a problem in talking about the beard? Why does everyone flip out on this topic, I don't understand. Just because it's not the most important topic, we should stop?? It we were talking about hijab, no one would object. What's hijab compared to salah? Does every sister wear hijab? Yet whenever the issue of hijab arises, no one makes a fuss. Stop fussing over the beard. I know someone wll say hijab is fardh and I know that. But if the same analogies were applied to prayer, it's the same. Major or minor, it's still a sin. Encourage every aspect of our deen instead of what we think is in the "bigger" picture.

 

[Tyrion]

It we were talking about hijab, no one would object. What's hijab compared to salah? Does every sister wear hijab? Yet whenever the issue of hijab arises, no one makes a fuss.

And who said that isn't a problem? I think the same things can be said about the Hijab issue that have been said here regarding the beard. Is it important? Yes. But is it necessary to lecture every other Muslimah, whether she be super pious or not, about how they need to put it on to gain the pleasure of Allah? No. Absolutely not.

Let's focus on making sure our brothers and sisters are doing the bare minimum to enter Jannah before we start lecturing them about the smaller things... (And even then, let's have some intellectual honesty and have someone qualified share ALL the differing fiqh opinions, instead of acting like your own opinion is the only opinion...) Otherwise we run the very serious risk of turning them away from the religion entirely.

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(And a side note... People need to be more careful when they start throwing around the "enjoining the good, forbidding the evil" thing while they talk down to others... I'd say the vast majority of those who claim to be enjoining the good and forbidding the evil have their own ego problems they need to work out first... But that's just from my experience... Meh. : )

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

That's NOT the point I'm making dude. People shouldn't FREAK out if the topic arises. Plain and simple. When I mentioned hijab, iwas pointing that no one will object to the topic yet whenever anyone talks about the beard even as an advice and NOT force, someone gets itchy about it, which is stupid

 

[Tyrion]

That's NOT the point I'm making dude. People shouldn't FREAK out if the topic arises. Plain and simple. When I mentioned hijab, iwas pointing that no one sill object to the topic yet whenever anyone talks about the beard even as an advice and NOT force, someone gets itchy about it, which is stupid

Nobody was freaking out... Have you even read the arguments that have been raised in this thread?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

No, Im just tossing out comments at u all. I've been reading and the underlying tone of many posts is showing this "why are u talking about the beard when there are bigger issues to talk about." I said nothing about forcing, all I've been trying to point out is that some ppl shouldnt bungee jump someone for talking about it. If you wanna correct something they said of course that's fine but why attack the idea of talking about it? Thts what I'm not grasping

 

[Aprender]

Please stop. If you want the advice take it, if not then don't and if you feel that what the OP wrote wasn't in good taste, then kindly direct us to an article that is more balanced and helpful. There's no need to attack others. The original OP was just trying to help and as a new Muslim it's really not helping me learn.... :embarrass

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^ I absolutely agree with u sis. 10000 percent!

 

[Alpha Dude]

Please stop. If you want the advice take it, if not then don't and if you feel that what the OP wrote wasn't in good taste, then kindly direct us to an article that is more balanced and helpful. There's no need to attack others. The original OP was just trying to help and as a new Muslim it's really not helping me learn.... :embarrass

This says everything that needs to be said and more.