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Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

MashAllah your enthusiasm is great. Even though you're almost a muslim at present, I've been learning so much from you, despite being a muslim for a long time now. Keep it up bro. I'm sure you'd have known about muslim directory UK, if not, you can access it at www.muslimdirectory.co.uk.

Have you ever visited your muslim friend's family? May be you can visit him, and talk to his parents rather if you fear he'd take it as a joke.

Keep making dua for us too,

Prayers
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I've used that before. I didn't find it useful, because I would need a car to go to those places.

EDIT: I used a different service. This one requires an e-mail, which I don't have.

I've never visited his house before. According to him his dad is quite 'strict' (read 'tries to stop him doing haram things'). I sometimes walk home with him, but his mum always picks him up at the school gates (it does take quite a while to walk from one side of the school to another. He's always with another friend, and listening to rap. I walk slower, to avoid listening to it unintentionally, and if his friend sees, he always says 'oh I forgot, you're scared of gangsta music'.
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Wa Alaykum Assalaam,

Thank you again for sharing your day. I hope you will begin to enjoy your lessons more, and find the courage to speak out Insha'Allaah.

I have two questions now. One is, if I tell him I want to become a Muslim, he might not take me seriously, and think I'm making some sort of offensive joke. How can I stop this?
If he knows that you are interested in Islam, then it might not be so much of a shock for him. If he doesn't know already, then you could ask him to tell you about Islam and let him know about your interest. Once you can talk about the subject comfortably, the time might be right to tell him. Also, your interest in Islam may have an effect on him and help him to come closer to Allaah. The outcome might not be as you expect, so you could just give it a go.

Also, I have music and art lessons at school. Although I'm dropping them next year, I know that it's haram to listen to music, or to draw people or animals, and don't want to have to do these sins once a week until next year. How can I sort this out?
Attending music lessons is something that many people can't help, and are forced to do. As for art, you can let your teacher know that 'your religion' does not allow you to draw images of living things. It would help if you had backing from people at home, but you could maybe get a letter from someone at the Mosque or something. The art problem should be easier to overcome because you can find alternative things to draw. I know of situations where teachers have cooperated with Muslims in this regard, so you have hope! :)

Please continue replying, and please make Dua for me. Alhamdulilah, I wouldn't have been able to make it this far without your help.
Insha'Allaah, we will! Keep striving for the sake of Allaah and be strong!

Peace.
 
Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Wa Alaykum Assalaam,

Thank you again for sharing your day. I hope you will begin to enjoy your lessons more, and find the courage to speak out Insha'Allaah.

If he knows that you are interested in Islam, then it might not be so much of a shock for him. If he doesn't know already, then you could ask him to tell you about Islam and let him know about your interest. Once you can talk about the subject comfortably, the time might be right to tell him. Also, your interest in Islam may have an effect on him and help him to come closer to Allaah. The outcome might not be as you expect, so you could just give it a go.

Attending music lessons is something that many people can't help, and are forced to do. As for art, you can let your teacher know that 'your religion' does not allow you to draw images of living things. It would help if you had backing from people at home, but you could maybe get a letter from someone at the Mosque or something. The art problem should be easier to overcome because you can find alternative things to draw. I know of situations where teachers have cooperated with Muslims in this regard, so you have hope! :)

Insha'Allaah, we will! Keep striving for the sake of Allaah and be strong!

Peace.
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I doubt I will start to enjoy my French, German and PE lessons more! My favourite lessons are:
Religious studies
Science
History
Geography (this is further up the list when I'm doing physical geography)

Insha'Allaah, I'll share many of my school days with you. And I doubt you'll see one when I can tell you that my friend has stopped claiming to be an alien! I always ask him for proof, and he doesn't give me any!

I think he does know that I have an interest in Islam, probably since last Thursday, when I talked to him about the Quran. If I assure him I'm being sincere, he will probably take me seriously.

I doubt we'll be drawing any people or animals in art again. We covered this topic quite a while ago. As for music, I'll just have to wait and see.

Hope to see your next post soon! I've got to do some homework know, though.
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Also, I have music and art lessons at school. Although I'm dropping them next year, I know that it's haram to listen to music, or to draw people or animals, and don't want to have to do these sins once a week until next year. How can I sort this out?


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there is a difference of opinion about music..many scholars considered it best to avoid (except for those with duff) but there were and still are scholars who say all musical instruments are allowed what makes it haraam is not the instruments by themselves but the lewd lyrics, suggestive videoclips etc ( this is my opinion also)...just clearing it up for you brother..i don't think your muslim friend will be of much help but you should tell him regardless...the best thing you should do is contact the new muslim organisation www.nottsnewmuslims.com they have helped and assisted many new muslims alhamdullilah they even have classes on salaah, arabic etc ..you will also get to meet other new muslims like yourself and when its ramadan, eid etc they will arrange for you to celebrate with them or a muslim family.May Allah guide your unobservant lost muslim schoolmate..ameen:)

peace
 
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:sl: Fishman,

Alhamdulillah you show maturity beyond your years. Your posts was one of the best I have seen on LI for a long time, very fascinating and interesting.

You will find all the help you need on the site, take things easy on yourself to begin with and don't overload yourself. Be patient and learn from good, reliable sources.

If there are any questions then feel free to post them on the site and I'm sure any brothers/sisters will try there best to answer them.

Also I recommend the book 'Muhammad: His Life based on the Earliest Sources' by Martin Lings, this will inshallah give you a better insight into the seerah (biography) of the final prophet (peace be upon him).

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Salam,
Just got to say, I admire your feelings towards Islam. :)
Insha'Allah you will revert, without any difficulties.
In the mean time you just got to eat properly, in particular, eat plenty of fish. You may have to go to a fish monger that can provide you with all sorts of different varieties. :D
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You had to make another fish joke, didn't you!
Scentsofjannah, I find that music, whilst enjoyable the first time, gets in your head and messes it up. It doesn't matter what the lyrics or video clips are, it tends to make you feel arrogant or, and plays over and over in your head. I find this happens even with music that has no lyrics. I also find it tends to happen only with music that you enjoy listening to.
I don't know how to contact the Notts New Muslims organisation either. I have never enjoyed going out into town, there's nothing to do there. If I decide to go there, my mum will keep asking what I'm doing.
My Muslim friend believes in Islam as a religion, and would probably really want me to convert. The other Muslim in the class, a girl, really is only Muslim by name.

Khattab, which post were you referring to? I've made lots!

Today was another lost chance. At the end of the day I felt really disapointed with my self. And now one of my non-Muslim friends has noticed that there is was something different about me today. I tried to tell him not to investigate what is going on, and that it really wouldn't help if he found out, but he will never take me seriously. I used to be able to have intelligent discussions with him, but now he only makes stupid jokes about communism.

My Muslim friend also told me that he overheard the alien guy saying that he wants to nuke Makkah. The alien guy probably wasn't at school today because my Muslim classmate threatened to beat him up for saying that.

Conclusion from the experiment in my science project: pH does not affect the rate at which polos dissove.

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Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Today was another lost chance. At the end of the day I felt really disapointed with my self. And now one of my non-Muslim friends has noticed that there is was something different about me today. I tried to tell him not to investigate what is going on, and that it really wouldn't help if he found out, but he will never take me seriously. I used to be able to have intelligent discussions with him, but now he only makes stupid jokes about communism.

My Muslim friend also told me that he overheard the alien guy saying that he wants to nuke Makkah. The alien guy probably wasn't at school today because my Muslim classmate threatened to beat him up for saying that.

Hi Fishman

No fish-related jokes from me! ;D

reading your post, I am wondering if perhaps you are trying to hard to
1. tell your Muslim friend about your conversion,
and,
2. keep your conversion from your non-Muslim friends.

Perhaps you just want to relax into your new-found you, and you might find that your friends will start to see the difference in you (as they already seem to start doing!)

This alien friend of yours sounds like he needs some help! Is he serious about his alien claims, or is he messing around?
It's a bit worrying to hear about young guys like that threatening to beat each other up - and missing school because of it!

Conclusion from the experiment in my science project: pH does not affect the rate at which polos dissove.

Cool!
You never know when that kind of thing might come in handy! ;D

peace.
 
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Hi Fishman

No fish-related jokes from me! ;D

reading your post, I am wondering if perhaps you are trying to hard to
1. tell your Muslim friend about your conversion,
and,
2. keep your conversion from your non-Muslim friends.

Perhaps you just want to relax into your new-found you, and you might find that your friends will start to see the difference in you (as they already seem to start doing!)

This alien friend of yours sounds like he needs some help! Is he serious about his alien claims, or is he messing around?
It's a bit worrying to hear about young guys like that threatening to beat each other up - and missing school because of it!



Cool!
You never know when that kind of thing might come in handy! ;D

peace.
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Once I revert, most people in the school will probably know I have. I will have no reason to keep it a secret. What I don't want is stories about me reverting to Islam rushing all round the school, and them getting to my parents somehow. I think that they will take it better if they find out because I told them. But I will need help from people who are already Muslims to be able to do that. Isha'Allaah, some people from the Muslim community will be able to meet my parents with me, and help me tell them. that way, it won't end up with me backed into a corner being screamed at for hiding this for so long.

I believe that it's much more important for me to revert first. But if I revert without my parents knowing it will just cause chaos in my life. And my friends weren't noticing a difference in me, they noticed that I had been avoiding them. After I told them that alien guy had said he wanted to blow up Makkah, they said that they thought it was a good idea too. They had offended me before, (like referring to us as pakis and then chickens, apparently not knowing that we are called Muslims, or making really rude terrorist jokes), but this one topped them all off. I had a tear in the corner of my eye.

My friend started claiming to be an alien some time ago. At first I thought he was just joking about, but because it's been going on for so long I think he actually wants us to believe he's an alien.
people threatening to beat each other up at my age is actually quite common, unfortunately. And if someone makes racist comments, they can sometimes get most of the class chasing them. on Tuesday, a boy I know started insulting Germans in the PE changing room. Whilst people were ganging up on him, another boy, probably the most unpopular in the class, turned the showers on, and wet his clothes, which were lying on the floor. The boy who turned the tap on suddenly became popular.

Please pray for me brothers and sisters, tommorow's probably my last (and best) chance this week. I really want things to change soon, and Insha'Allaah I will do it.
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Salam! (how do you say the full greeting?)
Okay, first I want to clear up why I am using the anonymous account. Please don't ban me for this. I would have registered if I could have an email address, but my dad has taken all the accounts we're allowed. I don't want to break the rules, I just really need to tell someone my problems so that they can help me.

I am a 14-year old British boy who comes from an atheist family, my mum's a teaching assistant and my dad's a professor of geochemistry. I used to be an atheist too, until I found Islam (it's a long story how). I am completely convinced of the truth of Islam, so it's useless for anybody to try to change my mind. My problem is that I am having trouble telling my parents that I want to become a Muslim. I have kept my faith secret for so long (I'm even writing this in secret). I'm really worried about how they will react, I even had a dream that where my parents discovered I wanted to be a Muslim, and (in my dream) my dad chased me and beat me up! Because I kept my beliefs secret for so long, it's really hard to tell them. It's like I'm stuck as a non-Muslim.

Because of these problems, I decided to find help on the internet, which is where I found out most of the stuff I know about Islam. I tried to join another Muslim forum, so I could post my problems there. After several atempts, I realised that I no longer had an email account. I tried to set one up, but failed. I later found out that my Dad was deleted mine, and set up a new one in it's place to hold all the mail he gets. I thought that I was trapped, but I kept praying (or at least trying to pray, I don't know the proper way to pray, I probably won't be able to until I'm a Muslim, when someone at the Mosque will be able to teach me). I think this site is the answer to my prayers! I can tell someone without having to have an email sent to me, by using this anonymous feature.

I do have a Muslim friend at school, he says he's religious, and he does fast Rahmadan (sp?), but he always listens to rap music and talks about girls and other rude subjects (he's infamous at school for it). I recently tried talking to him about Islam. I told him about how miraculous the Quran is, and said things so good about Islam that no non-Muslim would say them. But I don't think he got the hint that I want to revert. I think he just thought it was a bit of a strange thing to be talking about. I really wanted to tell him that I wanted to become a Muslim, but the words just couldn't come out of my mouth.

Another problem I have is school. Because I don't do all these haram things that teenagers are infamous for (I've never drunk alcohol in my life, I have only swore whilst knowing the word was a swear about twice, and I'm the class science nerd), I get picked on. Once one of my friends even told me that I was immature, and that I should 'grow up' (I have yet to see why swearing and drinking is 'grown up'). If I become a religious Muslim, I will most probably be picked on even more. This whole school is just a cess-pool of sin and I don't want to have to put up with it much more (I would never truant though)!


One more thing (this one's for my brothers to answer), when do you start getting a beard? I have a moustache, some hair on my lower lip, and some in between my eyebrows, but just white hairs where my beard will be?

EDIT: Please reply! This isn't a scam or a joke I swear! I have better things to do than annoy you lot, why would I do that?

I don't know the Arabic parting, but peace be to you anyway!

My dear akhi(brother),Assalamou 'alaikum.The ' indicates that the sound should be gutturaa, come from the throat.
reading your post touched my heart.I am sorry for not replying before. I did not come across ur post or mabe I was not online then.
SubhaanAllah(Praise b to Allah) for making you see the truth of Islam.
I did not read all of the answers to your queies but MashaaAllah(used to express pleasure about something in Arabic)
The first thing to do is to procalaim the Shahaadah(Islamic monotheism)
There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet(pbuh)
La ilaaha illallahu muhammadur rasoolullah
Firmly believe in this. Ask du'a(supplication) from the Almighty that He might help you in facing anything
If you feel u have the strength to tell your parents now, then do so now. One day or another brother, U will have to tel them. I pray to Allah that He guides them too to Islam and make them understand you.

Dear brother, being Islamic and going against Haraam(forbidden)things is nothing to b ashamed of. Instead, u should b proud of it. Only things for which disadvantages exceed advantages that are forbidden ti us . And Allah knows best what is good for us.

Allahou Akbar(Allah is Great). I am sure He will help you.Please , as others have said, get into contact with Muslims in your locatity and please ensure that They follow only the Qur'aan and the Sunnah(way of life of the Prophet). Stick to tese two and you will please Allah.

Islaam is a complete way of life. I am sure you have read abi=ut its 5 pillars.

I pray that Allah helps you. Do keep us informed if you need anything

Fee Amaanillah(expression meaning under the Protection of Allah and it is saiid on taking leave)
May Allah bless you, protect you and guide you always
Ameen
 
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:sl: Fishman

Speaking as a Muslim, I'd love it if a non-Muslim came to me and told me he/she wanted to revert to Islam because it gives us Muslims the chance to truly lead someone to the path of Allah and for that the rewards are great.

Keep Faith in Allah, I will pray for you Insha'Allah. Also there may be people who will try to talk you into leaving Islam, pay them no heed because once you find the True Path, you are truely blessed.

May Allah ease your hardship, Ameen.

In your mind, you can already say "There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad (PBUH) is His messenger."
 
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:sl: Fishman

Speaking as a Muslim, I'd love it if a non-Muslim came to me and told me he/she wanted to revert to Islam because it gives us Muslims the chance to truly lead someone to the path of Allah and for that the rewards are great.

Keep Faith in Allah, I will pray for you Insha'Allah. Also there may be people who will try to talk you into leaving Islam, pay them no heed because once you find the True Path, you are truely blessed.

May Allah ease your hardship, Ameen.

In your mind, you can already say "There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad (PBUH) is His messenger."
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Thanks for the kind words, ahki!
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Once I revert, most people in the school will probably know I have. I will have no reason to keep it a secret. What I don't want is stories about me reverting to Islam rushing all round the school, and them getting to my parents somehow. I think that they will take it better if they find out because I told them. But I will need help from people who are already Muslims to be able to do that. Isha'Allaah, some people from the Muslim community will be able to meet my parents with me, and help me tell them. that way, it won't end up with me backed into a corner being screamed at for hiding this for so long.

I believe that it's much more important for me to revert first. But if I revert without my parents knowing it will just cause chaos in my life. And my friends weren't noticing a difference in me, they noticed that I had been avoiding them. After I told them that alien guy had said he wanted to blow up Makkah, they said that they thought it was a good idea too. They had offended me before, (like referring to us as pakis and then chickens, apparently not knowing that we are called Muslims, or making really rude terrorist jokes), but this one topped them all off. I had a tear in the corner of my eye.

My friend started claiming to be an alien some time ago. At first I thought he was just joking about, but because it's been going on for so long I think he actually wants us to believe he's an alien.
people threatening to beat each other up at my age is actually quite common, unfortunately. And if someone makes racist comments, they can sometimes get most of the class chasing them. on Tuesday, a boy I know started insulting Germans in the PE changing room. Whilst people were ganging up on him, another boy, probably the most unpopular in the class, turned the showers on, and wet his clothes, which were lying on the floor. The boy who turned the tap on suddenly became popular.

Please pray for me brothers and sisters, tommorow's probably my last (and best) chance this week. I really want things to change soon, and Insha'Allaah I will do it.
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Sounds like you are having a to to deal with.
It seems that being 14 isn't easy! :rollseyes

You certainly are in my thoughts and prayers! :thankyou:
May God walk before you and straighten your path for you!
Keep us posted on howthings are going, but don't beat yourself up when things don't go exactly as you had planned. Who knows what God has in store for you?!

Blessings.
 
Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Sounds like you are having a to to deal with.
It seems that being 14 isn't easy! :rollseyes

You certainly are in my thoughts and prayers! :thankyou:
May God walk before you and straighten your path for you!
Keep us posted on howthings are going, but don't beat yourself up when things don't go exactly as you had planned. Who knows what God has in store for you?!

Blessings.
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Being a normal 14-year-old is much easier than being one who secretly wants to revert to Islam! But being a practising Muslim 14-year-old is much better!

No, I don't beat my self up. I usually just feel quite sad. And I will keep posting, Insha'Allaah.
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I don't know how to contact the Notts New Muslims organisation either. I have never enjoyed going out into town, there's nothing to do there. If I decide to go there, my mum will keep asking what I'm doing.


Brother Fishman theres a 'CONTACT US' on the right hand side of the notts new muslims site to contact brother Salih the events and da'wah co- ordinator here http://ukiew.org/nnm/index.php?option=com_contact&task=view&contact_id=2&Itemid=3

To contact brother Lock here http://ukiew.org/nnm/index.php?option=com_contact&task=view&contact_id=1&Itemid=3
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I don't think its situtated in town probably inside the muslim community or it could be near you!:)..if you want to look up salaah times for Nottingham its on that site too. Also thought you might be interested in this islamic institute in your city http://www.karimia.fortnet.co.uk/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=179
But I will need help from people who are already Muslims to be able to do that. Isha'Allaah, some people from the Muslim community will be able to meet my parents with me, and help me tell them. that way, it won't end up with me backed into a corner being screamed at for hiding this for so long.

I believe that it's much more important for me to revert first. But if I revert without my parents knowing it will just cause chaos in my life.


Again brother..those people will help you with ALL that InshaAllah...just contact them!:) they will meet up with your parents inshaAllah should you have any problems..and the fact that many of them are converts will make your parents more understanding InshaAllah. Its best you start doing that right away ..isolation isn't a good thing...


And my friends weren't noticing a difference in me, they noticed that I had been avoiding them

you can still befriend them but if they negatively influencing you then best to stay away from them ..if they're harmless then you could postively influence them InshaAllah..also advice the muslim brother that we shouldn't act aggressively..the Prophet peace be upon him said he who angers you controls you. So its best to try to reason with them in a wise way with out the need to box them in the mouth:)

takecare brother..peace..i will continue to make dua for you:)
 
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and don't feel sad brother..as muslims we have to be optimistic because we know that ALWAYS theres light at the end of tunnel..no matter how big our problems are
 
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Brother Fishman theres a 'CONTACT US' on the right hand side of the notts new muslims site to contact brother Salih the events and da'wah co- ordinator here http://ukiew.org/nnm/index.php?option=com_contact&task=view&contact_id=2&Itemid=3

To contact brother Lock here http://ukiew.org/nnm/index.php?option=com_contact&task=view&contact_id=1&Itemid=3
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I don't think its situtated in town probably inside the muslim community or it could be near you!:)..if you want to look up salaah times for Nottingham its on that site too. Also thought you might be interested in this islamic institute in your city http://www.karimia.fortnet.co.uk/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=179



Again brother..those people will help you with ALL that InshaAllah...just contact them!:) they will meet up with your parents inshaAllah should you have any problems..and the fact that many of them are converts will make your parents more understanding InshaAllah. Its best you start doing that right away ..isolation isn't a good thing...




you can still befriend them but if they negatively influencing you then best to stay away from them ..if they're harmless then you could postively influence them InshaAllah..also advice the muslim brother that we shouldn't act aggressively..the Prophet peace be upon him said he who angers you controls you. So its best to try to reason with them in a wise way with out the need to box them in the mouth:)

takecare brother..peace..i will continue to make dua for you:)
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Sorry sister, I don't have email, so I can't contact them.
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ohh no worries inshaAllah..i'll try to find their address and post it here inshaAllah :)
 
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You had to make another fish joke, didn't you!
Scentsofjannah, I find that music, whilst enjoyable the first time, gets in your head and messes it up. It doesn't matter what the lyrics or video clips are, it tends to make you feel arrogant or, and plays over and over in your head. I find this happens even with music that has no lyrics. I also find it tends to happen only with music that you enjoy listening to.
I don't know how to contact the Notts New Muslims organisation either. I have never enjoyed going out into town, there's nothing to do there. If I decide to go there, my mum will keep asking what I'm doing.
My Muslim friend believes in Islam as a religion, and would probably really want me to convert. The other Muslim in the class, a girl, really is only Muslim by name.

Khattab, which post were you referring to? I've made lots!

Today was another lost chance. At the end of the day I felt really disapointed with my self. And now one of my non-Muslim friends has noticed that there is was something different about me today. I tried to tell him not to investigate what is going on, and that it really wouldn't help if he found out, but he will never take me seriously. I used to be able to have intelligent discussions with him, but now he only makes stupid jokes about communism.

My Muslim friend also told me that he overheard the alien guy saying that he wants to nuke Makkah. The alien guy probably wasn't at school today because my Muslim classmate threatened to beat him up for saying that.

Conclusion from the experiment in my science project: pH does not affect the rate at which polos dissove.
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You seem to have difficulty at school, don't pay to much heed at school and the going on, it will distress you more if you let it go to you. Try to hang out with those are less mischivious, but don't worry to much.
I really think you will be alright. I was going to provide my opinion on your polo experiment but I was caught up revising for my exam when I recieved your email. Just had an exam today on "Advance Analytical Method" 10.am, was half asleep:uhwhat when I walked into the room.
Inshallah, I did good in the exam.
Sorry about your polo exp, hope you got to taste:okay: some!
 
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Salam dear brother

It is so encouraging to read your posts. May Allah help you.
Just one suggestion I would like to make. I am sure it can be overwhleming at first, when you've realised what you want to do and all the knowledge you have learned and still need to know, and also dealing with pressure from parents/friends, etc. Try to take it one step at a time. You can confuse yourself and feel helpless if you try to do too many things at once. Start off slowly when you practice, basically.

Also, you are keeping your distance from friends or other classmates that you used to talk to. It might be a good idea to continue chatting to them on a 'hi-bye' basis. Because when they find out you have reverted, they might think Islam has changed you in a negative way and that is why you are not talking to them. However, if you continue to just small talk, smile, etc, they wont see you or your reversion as so alien. They'll still see you and talk to you - but a 'new and improved' version, inshallah. You can also tell them a few things about Islam, if they are willing to listen and if the conversation permits.

That is all from me. I hope that helps a little bit.

Peace
 

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