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Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Fishman you seem yo know a lot about Islam. Are you really a 'new muslim'?

And I think it would be better if you didnt tell your parents anything about your faith. Do your shahada secretly and be extra nice charming and loving towards your parents.

Hopefully they will see a difference and question you. Then explain to them then
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I've been secretly reading about Islam for about a year, which is how I know so much. I think that was quite a good idea, because that way I won't have any trouble with what to believe.

I don't think they would believe me if I just told them that I had converted to Islam. They would just think it's really strange, and it would shock them too much.
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Athiests are generally (except some, such as 'Ali Sina) more hostile to Christianity than other religions, because they don't want to be classed as intolerant or racist, and because they probably come from a Christian background themselves. They tend to associate Christianity with George Bush (he can't deny evolution, he always makes wierd monkey faces!), preaching and creationism. What religion were your religious family members?
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I was raised as a Roman Catholic - most of my immediate family are Catholics.
I drifted away from my faith, when I left home and became a 'Christmas-and-Easter-Christian', then found out about other religions ... only to return to the Christian faith with a Big Bang! ;D (Sorry, I couldn't resist it!)

The person who has found it hardest to accept my faith is my atheist husband. He is trying to tolerate it, but I think deep down he finds it very disturbing. :X

And yes, he does the 'If-you-are-a-Christian-you must-be-in-support-of-George-Bush-thing'! Very annoying!!! :heated:

You see, these struggles are just part of our walk with God.
Despite the tensions, the sometimes heated debates, the frustrations with each other our marriage has grown stronger over the years ... and I believe that God is right in the middle of it! :statisfie

When you have time, I would love to hear what exactly drew a young atheist like yourself to Islam. :)

Peace.
 
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I was raised as a Roman Catholic - most of my immediate family are Catholics.
I drifted away from my faith, when I left home and became a 'Christmas-and-Easter-Christian', then found out about other religions ... only to return to the Christian faith with a Big Bang! ;D (Sorry, I couldn't resist it!)

The person who has found it hardest to accept my faith is my atheist husband. He is trying to tolerate it, but I think deep down he finds it very disturbing. :X

And yes, he does the 'If-you-are-a-Christian-you must-be-in-support-of-George-Bush-thing'! Very annoying!!! :heated:

You see, these struggles are just part of our walk with God.
Despite the tensions, the sometimes heated debates, the frustrations with each other our marriage has grown stronger over the years ... and I believe that God is right in the middle of it! :statisfie

When you have time, I would love to hear what exactly drew a young atheist like yourself to Islam. :)

Peace.
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First off, I find it very upsetting that Muslim Soldier has questioned whether I am telling the truth. Just because I have a lot of knowledge about Islam does not mean that I'm not sincere. I wouldn't have come here if I didn't know much, I would have tried to learn more. But I now know enough about my religion's beliefs, I have come here for help with putting my faith into practice.
I felt really upset by that post, and I asked Allah to comfort me, and then I found your post. Again, my prayers were answered.

Well, I would say I was a 'Christmas/Easter atheist, only celebrating because my family do, and because of the presents.

The George Bush thing is probably because the most prominent christians are those who support Bush, just like people think 'all Muslims are terrorists' or 'all converts to Islam become shoe-bombers', just because the most prominent Muslims are terrorists. This generalisation has to stop if we want to live in peace.

Well, like how I refused my first drink, my conversion to Islam started with something that I misunderstood as a miracle, and I made a terrible mistake with my creed, which is too embarassing for me to talk about here (how do I say 'Allah forgive me' in Arabic?). But what kept me in Islam after I rejected my mistakes was actually something in the Bible. It was a prophecy that even now I believe must have been reffering to Makkah (It's not that 'vale of Baca' thing). I found it on wikipedia, but you won't find it there anymore, it's been deleted because of it's lack of neutrality. I found a post in the talk section of the article that said something like 'This is a crazy atempt by Muslims to make it seem like Islam is the true sucessor to Christianity and Judaism. Keep neutral-point-of-view and everything, but I want it to seem like this is false'. This is also partly deleted now. A lot of non-Muslims claim that there is a group of Muslims censoring wikipedia, but it's actually the other way round.
I then read all the pages about Islam on wikipedia that I could understand, but felt I still wanted to know more. But I was really nervous about reading sites outside wikipedia.
After I visited my first Muslim site, I felt more and more secure with my faith. I found answers to all my questions about other religions, I found amazing prophecies in the Books of religions from around the world that must be reffering to Islam, and I found out about the miraculous nature of the Quran itself.
But then I stopped feeling so secure. I noticed that despite loads of people saying that Islam was completely compliant with science, I realised most of the 'scientific miracles' were fake, and some of what people were saying was made using psuedoscientific sites to back it up. I realised that all the people who I had counted on had been lied to, and some of them were liars themselves. I felt really sad, and I often cried at night, but Allah heard my prayers, as he always does.
I miraculously recovered from my dramatic loss of Iman. I started thinking in pure, scientific logic, questioning and evaluating my beliefs. I found explanations for the verses of the Quran I had worries about. I realised that the people who taught me were not liars, they were just making mistakes, or were being lied to themselves. I decided that when I grew up, I would free Islam from psuedoscientists like Harun Yahya, and all the others who mislead the innocent.
Afterwards is pretty much the same as before I lost my faith (and got it back again, alhamdulilah!), just reading the web as much as I can, from Islam Online to Islamic-Awareness, from Muslimconverts to Muttaqun Online. Eventually, when I had learnt enough, I knew I was ready for my proper conversion. The trouble was, I couldn't talk to anyone about it. I was too scared of their reaction to tell my parents, and I was too worried I might offend the Muslim boy in my class by accident if I told him.
After a while of just reading some more, I had a science project about famous scientists. Because I had also been reading about evolution, for my 'war (by words, of couse) on psuedoscience' that I wanted to fight in the future, I decided to do Darwin. One of my friends wrote a one-and-a-half page essay on the life of Darwin, and I wrote a 10-page book on the theory of evolution. In my book, besides other things, I talked about the Muslim theory of evolution from the Islamic golden age that was based on the Quran, in an attempt to show that there was no conflict between Islam and science.

When I finished the book, I printed five copies of it. One to give to my English teacher (it was remarkably long), one to give to my RE teacher (it dealt with religion), one to give to my science teacher (it was my science project), one to keep, and, most importantly, one to give to my Muslim friend. After I had given it to him, we talked about Islam for a bit. He didn't get the hint that I wanted to revert, but afterwards, I felt happy knowing that I had taken some important steps. That night, like I often do, I prayed that I could become a Muslim soon. My prayers were answered, in the form of this site.


Wow! I've just written out all of my life story that I don't write down in my English book!
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Sorry for the late reply, brothers and sisters. That was a long piece of writing. scentsofjannah, I'm Fishman, not Fisherman!

And I can now edit my posts and PM!
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Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Salam,

Wow, that is a lot to write for someone your age, should'nt you be playing the latest video game :okay:, jk.



Insh'Allah, you will only grow in emaan. :)
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Latest computer game, that's my younger brother's job!
Insha'Allaah, you'll only grow in Iman too :)
And, insha'Allaah, I'll be a :brother: soon.
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Thanks for your story, Fishman! :)

I'm glad my post made you feel better.

I don't think Muslim Soldier was questioning whether you are telling the truth - just being impressd with your knowledge!
We all grow in our faith differently at different times. I don't think there is any competition.
For myself, sometimes it feels like I am walking through treacle, and then next thing I am soaring on eagle's wings! :statisfie

Peace.
 
Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Thanks for your story, Fishman! :)

I'm glad my post made you feel better.

I don't think Muslim Soldier was questioning whether you are telling the truth - just being impressd with your knowledge!
We all grow in our faith differently at different times. I don't think there is any competition.
For myself, sometimes it feels like I am walking through treacle, and then next thing I am soaring on eagle's wings! :statisfie

Peace.
:sl: everyone! I'm back from the first tiring school day of the week, and I look forward to talking to you again! I had a day of trying to dissolve polos in hydrochloric acid in the next part of my science work(no positive results), trying to convince someone that global warming is bad (I think it worked), and trying to convince one of my friends that he's not an extra-terrestrial (I disproved him, but he didn't listen). My history teacher is an interesting person. He's an atheist, but he often speaks against the very things that we Muslims hate (he often rants about girls reducing themselves to boy's fashion accessories). He probably dislikes our religion just as much though, because of the 'religion is the root of all evil' thing.

I was really hoping to tell my Muslim friend today, but he wasn't there. I think he had been on the school trip part of the year had. They had to do a long walk in the Peak District, and loads of people were off because they were tired. I came into school feeling really happy, hoping that my family would know by sometime this week, but when he didn't show up, I started getting worried and unhappy.

Then came lunchtime. It starts off all right, but because of all the people distracting you all around you, as well as eating something (I find that eating less makes me feel more religious), I start getting distracted from thinking about Allah. It all goes down hill from then on, until I get back home, when I can read about Islam, or talk to you.
In the mornings I'm mentally unhappy, but always remembering Allah, and in the afternoon, I'm mentally happy but it distracts me from him. On the weekends and after school, I'm usually both mentally and spiritually happy.

Please reply!
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Then came lunchtime. It starts off all right, but because of all the people distracting you all around you, as well as eating something (I find that eating less makes me feel more religious), I start getting distracted from thinking about Allah. It all goes down hill from then on, until I get back home, when I can read about Islam, or talk to you.
In the mornings I'm mentally unhappy, but always remembering Allah, and in the afternoon, I'm mentally happy but it distracts me from him. On the weekends and after school, I'm usually both mentally and spiritually happy.

Please reply!
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Sounds like you had a busy day! Welcome home! :)

I think it takes practice to keep the mind focused on God.
Strangely, when I was praying at lunch time I had very similar thoughts:
How easy it is to speak to God when I am alone with him and focused on him.
But when life is hectic, the dinner needs cooking and the children have homework questions; or there are a lot of demands at work - that's when I need God's spirit the most, and that's when it seems hardest to focus on him!

I once read that you should spend just a couple of seconds focusing on God before answering that door, or picking up the phone, or opening your mouth to criticise a friends ... before doing anything, really! :X

I have a Christian friend who sometimes sets her watch to beep on the hour. Annoying, I know - but it helps her to refocus on God once an hour, even if she just spends a couple of minutes in prayer. Quite clever, I thought! :)

Peace.
 
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some good advice there glo, As Muslims we would do a similar thing before startinga ny task - like answering the foor or the phone, or eating etc, We say " Bismillah ar-rahman ar-raheem" (in the name of God most gracious, most merciful) in this way, everything we do is in the name of Allah :)

Its certainly important to take a few minutes every so often to refocus, think about this dunya, and the akhira, and realise our palce in life. To remember Allah often certainly has many advantages

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Hello Fishman,

Thank you for sharing your day with us :).

I think it's a lot easier to remember Allaah once you begin to implement the second pillar of Islam: prayer! By praying 5 times everyday, we remember Allaah whether we are at school or work, and thus finding a quiet, secluded place to pray is a perfect opportunity to remember and supplicate to Allaah to help us in all our problems.

Even though there may be distractions around you, it is very easy to remember Allaah. He says in His Noble Book, the Qur'an:

[2.152] Therefore remember Me, I will remember you, and be thankful to Me, and do not be ungrateful to Me.
[2.153] O you who believe! seek assistance through patience and prayer; surely Allah is with the patient.

May Allaah guide you to the truth and keep you firm upon it, Aameen.

Peace :).
 
Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Sounds like you had a busy day! Welcome home! :)

I think it takes practice to keep the mind focused on God.
Strangely, when I was praying at lunch time I had very similar thoughts:
How easy it is to speak to God when I am alone with him and focused on him.
But when life is hectic, the dinner needs cooking and the children have homework questions; or there are a lot of demands at work - that's when I need God's spirit the most, and that's when it seems hardest to focus on him!

I once read that you should spend just a couple of seconds focusing on God before answering that door, or picking up the phone, or opening your mouth to criticise a friends ... before doing anything, really! :X

I have a Christian friend who sometimes sets her watch to beep on the hour. Annoying, I know - but it helps her to refocus on God once an hour, even if she just spends a couple of minutes in prayer. Quite clever, I thought! :)

Peace.
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When I'm a Muslim, insha'Allaah I'll be able to pray my Salah, and be able to spend about 5 minutes 5 times a day completely focused on Allah.

Talking of Salah, how can I attend Friday prayer if I'm at school? I'm at an age when I'm obliged to go, and I read a Hadith saying that if I fail to attend for a certain amount of time, then Allah will place a seal on me.
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Wa Alaykum Assalaam,

Talking of Salah, how can I attend Friday prayer if I'm at school? I'm at an age when I'm obliged to go, and I read a Hadith saying that if I fail to attend for a certain amount of time, then Allah will place a seal on me.
In some schools, the Muslims get together and perform their own Friday Prayer, as well as daily prayers aswell. I guess it depends on how many Muslims attend your school and whether the school will allow them a place to pray.

Alternatively, if there is a Mosque nearby, then you can leave school during lunchtime to attend the Friday Prayer at the Mosque - if the timing is manageable.

Peace.
 
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Wa Alaykum Assalaam,

In some schools, the Muslims get together and perform their own Friday Prayer, as well as daily prayers aswell. I guess it depends on how many Muslims attend your school and whether the school will allow them a place to pray.

Alternatively, if there is a Mosque nearby, then you can leave school during lunchtime to attend the Friday Prayer at the Mosque - if the timing is manageable.

Peace.
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Yes, they allow us a place to pray, I think it's in the main hall.

The nearest Mosques that I know about are quite distant from me, but there are quite a few in my city.
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When I'm a Muslim, insha'Allaah I'll be able to pray my Salah, and be able to spend about 5 minutes 5 times a day completely focused on Allah.
Is that how long these prayers take? Are they quite prescriptive (i.e. you recite a given text), or do you pray by speaking freely with God?

Talking of Salah, how can I attend Friday prayer if I'm at school?
What do your Muslim peers do?

I'm at an age when I'm obliged to go, and I read a Hadith saying that if I fail to attend for a certain amount of time, then Allah will place a seal on me.
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I can't help you there, because this is not what Christian teaching says ...
I'm sure one of our Muslim brothers or sisters can help you though! :)

Peace.
 
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Is that how long these prayers take? Are they quite prescriptive (i.e. you recite a given text), or do you pray by speaking freely with God?


What do your Muslim peers do?


I can't help you there, because this is not what Christian teaching says ...
I'm sure one of our Muslim brothers or sisters can help you though! :)

Peace.
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I think they are about 5 minutes long, and they are very prescriptive. You have a specific set of movements to perform, and you have to say specific phrases in Arabic.

They pray in the hall, I think.
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I'm back from another day at school. Same as yesterday, really. I still tried to prove my friend isn't an alien (he keeps saying he's forgotten the part of his spaceship he says he's going to show me), had a dull French lesson (but German is always much worse), and generally had a really boring time.

My Muslim classmate was in today. I couldn't get the courage to tell him. My best hope is Thursday, when I have religious studies. I normally sit next to him then. But usually he's listening to rap on his phone, and hanging around with his 'gangsta' friends.

I have two questions now. One is, if I tell him I want to become a Muslim, he might not take me seriously, and think I'm making some sort of offensive joke. How can I stop this?

Also, I have music and art lessons at school. Although I'm dropping them next year, I know that it's haram to listen to music, or to draw people or animals, and don't want to have to do these sins once a week until next year. How can I sort this out?

Please continue replying, and please make Dua for me. Alhamdulilah, I wouldn't have been able to make it this far without your help.
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MashAllah your enthusiasm is great. Even though you're almost a muslim at present, I've been learning so much from you, despite being a muslim for a long time now. Keep it up bro. I'm sure you'd have known about muslim directory UK, if not, you can access it at www.muslimdirectory.co.uk.

Have you ever visited your muslim friend's family? May be you can visit him, and talk to his parents rather if you fear he'd take it as a joke.

Keep making dua for us too,

Prayers
 

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