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Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

your parents at least won't have to worry about you being brought home by the police blind drunk!
Speaking as a mother, that's a distinct advantage! ;D

Peace.
 
Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

now that you have your own LI account, you should probably go to the introduction section and introduce yourself.
 
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I am a 14-year old British boy who comes from an atheist family, my mum's a teaching assistant and my dad's a professor of geochemistry. I used to be an atheist too, until I found Islam (it's a long story how). I am completely convinced of the truth of Islam, so it's useless for anybody to try to change my mind. My problem is that I am having trouble telling my parents that I want to become a Muslim. I have kept my faith secret for so long (I'm even writing this in secret). I'm really worried about how they will react, I even had a dream that where my parents discovered I wanted to be a Muslim, and (in my dream) my dad chased me and beat me up! Because I kept my beliefs secret for so long, it's really hard to tell them. It's like I'm stuck as a non-Muslim.
I am suprised at such a young age you already considered the truth of ISLAM when many go on about with other destructive behaviour or totall ignorance, which is admire you for and commend you for. Have you taken the shahada, if not we can do one here. Parent's reaction may vary but you do have to tell them one day, sooner the better, they might accept it or they might try to dissude you from it with every means. Stay firm, be patient and keep up you prayer, I will try to get you some online help on prayer and stuff like that. I reside in britian more specifically London, if you really need help you can ask me.

Because of these problems, I decided to find help on the internet, which is where I found out most of the stuff I know about Islam. I tried to join another Muslim forum, so I could post my problems there. After several atempts, I realised that I no longer had an email account. I tried to set one up, but failed. I later found out that my Dad was deleted mine, and set up a new one in it's place to hold all the mail he gets. I thought that I was trapped, but I kept praying (or at least trying to pray, I don't know the proper way to pray, I probably won't be able to until I'm a Muslim, when someone at the Mosque will be able to teach me). I think this site is the answer to my prayers! I can tell someone without having to have an email sent to me, by using this anonymous feature.
Well you have to find a mosque near your area, if you can tell me where you are specifically i.e. which town or city I can inshallah find you a mosque nearby, and people and informative sites for you as considering to be a muslim.


I do have a Muslim friend at school, he says he's religious, and he does fast Rahmadan (sp?), but he always listens to rap music and talks about girls and other rude subjects (he's infamous at school for it). I recently tried talking to him about Islam. I told him about how miraculous the Quran is, and said things so good about Islam that no non-Muslim would say them. But I don't think he got the hint that I want to revert. I think he just thought it was a bit of a strange thing to be talking about. I really wanted to tell him that I wanted to become a Muslim, but the words just couldn't come out of my mouth.
Unfortunetly your friend is a classical example of some who don't practive it properly and are not much aware, and this mainly comes from little schooling in ISLAM, I myself was in simalar state as your friend and only start practicing properly and learning about our deen ISLAM few weeks ago, but I am also little busy with preparing with my university exams. Don't be to harsh on your friend.


Another problem I have is school. Because I don't do all these haram things that teenagers are infamous for (I've never drunk alcohol in my life, I have only swore whilst knowing the word was a swear about twice, and I'm the class science nerd), I get picked on. Once one of my friends even told me that I was immature, and that I should 'grow up' (I have yet to see why swearing and drinking is 'grown up'). If I become a religious Muslim, I will most probably be picked on even more. This whole school is just a cess-pool of sin and I don't want to have to put up with it much more (I would never truant though)!
Well, I doubt it they will treat you any different that when you was not a muslim, since they already pick on you, bullying is a seriouse issue and if such behaviour goes on you must report it and take it up with the school.

One more thing (this one's for my brothers to answer), when do you start getting a beard? I have a moustache, some hair on my lower lip, and some in between my eyebrows, but just white hairs where my beard will be?

EDIT: Please reply! This isn't a scam or a joke I swear! I have better things to do than annoy you lot, why would I do that?

I don't know the Arabic parting, but peace be to you anyway!

Beard, don't worry about the beard for now, concentrate on increasing you knowledge and faith, (i.e. learning about ISLAM), one day you will have a wonderfull beard and you grand children and children will get the chance of tugging at it.

As I said if you need help we are here, and for meanwhile I will refer you t some video and Guide on how to pray for the moment, and get you some online arabic recitation of the surah's for your prayers later.

You need to make the first declaration of being a muslim, and that is the shahadah, and the sooner we can do that the better. MODERATOR WHAT DO YOU SAY?
 
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I keep trying to type up a post, but various family members keep coming in (my little brother came and started to play loud music), so I'll have to keep this one short.
I've been told that I have to shave my head after saying my Sahadah, based on the hadith below:
Narrated by Abu Dawood (356) which says that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded a kaafir man who had become Muslim, “Shave off the hair of kufr and get circumcised.” (Classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood; see also al-Mughni, 1/276; Sharh al-‘Umdah by Shaykh al-Islam, 1/350)
I'm already circumcised (alhamdulilah I don't have to go through that again!), but I've never heard the bit about shaving my head. I'm not worried though, we should do anything Allah or his Prophet has commanded us to do.

Brother Skillganon, I have had enough time hiding my faith, and I don't want to have to keep my Sahadah a secret too. I hope to tell my parents that I want to become a Muslim, then say my Sahadah in a mosque, with my brothers and sisters. Doing it the other way round will just cause me more difficulties, I won't be very much of a Muslim if I can't pray or fast because I'm hiding my faith.
Sorry, I'm not from London, I'm from Nottingham, home of the fictitious Robin Hood. It's like London here though, just colder and wetter.

Also, How do I celebrate Eid with non-Muslim family?
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Also, How do I celebrate Eid with non-Muslim family?
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well, you can tell your family about Islam and why we celebrate Eid. Hopefully, they will appreciate it. Since they are not Muslims, they wont be going to pray Eid Salah in the mosque with you. See if you can get to know some good Muslim brothers which you can go to pray Eid prayer with and celebrate Eid with if your family chooses not to celebrate with you because they are not Muslim. If your family decides to celebrate with you, then that'll be good because maybe that is a sign that they are beginning to accept your reversion to Islam.
 
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Is Sahadah the formal ritual to perform when you become a Muslim?
It would be good if your family could be there, when you do it. At least they should no about you doing it.

I remember being baptised by full immersion. It was a hugely important thing for me to do! I have never looked back, but it did cause some controversy amongst friends and family. :?

Walk with God, brother!

Peace. :)
 
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Do you think I would be able to celebrate with the family of a Muslim friend?
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yes, as long as you do your eid namaz (prayer)
rani

i have u taken the shahada yet?
rani
 
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Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

i have u taken the shahada yet?
rani
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No, but as I said before, doing that in secret will cause more problems for me, insha'Allaah I will tell my parents first, then once they've gotten over the shock, I will say my Shahadah in the mosque, without fear or worries about my parent's reactions.

Can anyone answer my question about shaving my head?
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Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Is Sahadah the formal ritual to perform when you become a Muslim?
It would be good if your family could be there, when you do it. At least they should no about you doing it.

I remember being baptised by full immersion. It was a hugely important thing for me to do! I have never looked back, but it did cause some controversy amongst friends and family. :?

Walk with God, brother!

Peace. :)

Yes, its known as the declaration of faith when a Muslim testifies that he belives in Allah alone and believes that Muhammed is His last messenger...Very important time in a revert's life :'( SubhanAllah he is pure as the day he is born :'(...
I remember a case during Ramadhan when a brother in my local area reverted during a talk SubhanAllah i heard that he got the gathering brimming with tears :'(...
MashAllah Hope you continue in this endless struggle Peace and Blessings :) x
 
Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Greetings Fishman,

Regarding the Shahadah (which is simply a testimony of faith), I haven't heard that you need to shave your head. The following site outlines the steps you need to take, and it mentions that it doesn't necessarily have to be performed in public:

http://www.beconvinced.com/en/article.php?articleid=0024&catid=09&subcatname=Conversion%20To%20Islam

You may also wish to see:
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=20267&dgn=4

Regarding Eid, I think you should be able to celebrate it with whomever you like :)

Peace.
 
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Unfortunetly Akhi i cant answer that...will leave that to the more knowledgable about that topic...InshAllah join the Brothers fraction of the forum, they may well provide you with valid information :) Peace and blessings x
 
Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

i think you are supposed to shave yr head.
rani
 
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Ok, I've got to go to bed! See you tomorrow GMT. Thanks For the advice!
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Brother Fishman , All praise to Allah for guiding you to the light.Welcome to the forum ..you may be young but you are certainly intelligent..judging from the style of writing :) since you said you're from Nottingham i want to direct you to the Nottingham New Muslim Project..contact Brother Salih or Brother Mahdi Lock and they will give you all the help and support you need InshaAllah www.nottsnewmuslims.com don't worry about shaving your head or growing your beard...whats important is you learn the five pillars of Islam ..the Qur'an..and also read Martin Lings biography of Prophet Muhammed..the best one in the english language...InshaAllah if you have further questions etc..just ask....May Allah make it easy for you and your parents and guide you all on the straight path forever ameen :) .:w:
 
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Ameen, WalaykumAsalaam Akhi, Peace and blessings be upon you and take care x
 
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Brother Skillganon, I have had enough time hiding my faith, and I don't want to have to keep my Sahadah a secret too. I hope to tell my parents that I want to become a Muslim, then say my Sahadah in a mosque, with my brothers and sisters. Doing it the other way round will just cause me more difficulties, I won't be very much of a Muslim if I can't pray or fast because I'm hiding my faith.
Sorry, I'm not from London, I'm from Nottingham, home of the fictitious Robin Hood. It's like London here though, just colder and wetter.

Also, How do I celebrate Eid with non-Muslim family?
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Tell your parents but don't jump into showing you become like an arab with complete wadrobe change, as that will only make them more apprehensive, I am a muslim and I don't dress anaything like the stereotypical arab. If you parents opposes you seriousely and stop you going to a mosque to do your shahadah than do it openly, even without any muslim present, just between you and your creator, and than if you get the chance you can do it in a mosque, because that is the first pillar of Islam, declaration of faith, and an important one. You don't have to go outside and ravingly declare it openly to everyone but just do it in you room, or I can give you a site where they have a voice room where you can do it openly in front of other muslim, (reverts/ and newbies/born again and maybe even in front of yusuf estes if he is present) if you have a mic or a webcam, let me know first.
 
Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Tell your parents but don't jump into showing you become like an arab with complete wadrobe change, as that will only make them more apprehensive, I am a muslim and I don't dress anaything like the stereotypical arab. If you parents opposes you seriousely and stop you going to a mosque to do your shahadah than do it openly, even without any muslim present, just between you and your creator, and than if you get the chance you can do it in a mosque, because that is the first pillar of Islam, declaration of faith, and an important one. You don't have to go outside and ravingly declare it openly to everyone but just do it in you room, or I can give you a site where they have a voice room where you can do it openly in front of other muslim, (reverts/ and newbies/born again and maybe even in front of yusuf estes if he is present) if you have a mic or a webcam, let me know first.
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I'm back.
Thanks for the advice. I have, however, been advised (not personally, of course) by another website to wear a thawb (sp?). They say it's so that people identify me as a Muslim. But it's probably a good idea not to jump straight in like that, because like you said, it would make my parents worried.

As for Yusuf Estes, I'm not so sure about him. When I found his website, I saw some rather strange stuff written about the big bang (patterns do form from explosions, such as air currents, sound waves and light). I'm sure he just misunderstood the concept, however. I actually prefer Gary Miller's style of daawa. He's logical, he subjects his conclusions to scientific skepticism (alhamdulilah Islam always suceeds against it), and he appeals to people of many religions, not just Christianity or Judaism. And when he talks about the 'scientific miracles' of the Quran (which I call 'scientific forknowledge in the Quran') he actually mentions the ones that are the most convincing, not the over-exaggerated ones that many people point to.

Yes, I have a microphone (technically its my brother's).
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