Burma... post the video evidences here please.

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I begin with the name of Allah, the Most Beneficial and Most Merciful.

Muslims all over Burma have been enslaved, tortured, raped, and murdered - and this has been going on since 1949... yet the world kepts quiet about it.

We recently found out that the Burma crisis is a big one, and many vids on youtube have been posted exposing the reality of what is happening there.

This is my contribution to finding the truth:

Please post any videos you may find that expose the truth, the reality of what our brothers and sisters in Burma have to face on a daily basis... if anything, maybe some high up Muslim official in some neighbouring country sees this thread and makes something happen.

Allahu Alam.

Scimi

 

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I have posted two videos in the other thread but I am outraged at the complacency that takes place within all the so-called 'Muslim governments'- They're an accomplice to the genocide may Allah swt d@mn them and their western counterparts for the continuous genocides and massacres, enslavement and torture and false imprisonment and if not all that then frank mockery of Muslims so that even mouthing the word 'Muslim brotherhood' in an allegedly Muslim country makes you bear the brunt of all sorts of abuses. Hasbona Allah wa'ni'ma alwakeel.
May Allah swt grant us victory:

[FONT=Verdana,arial]Al-Anbiya (The Prophets)[21:105] [RECITE]

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Walaqad katabna fee alzzaboori min baAAdi alththikri anna alarda yarithuha AAibadiya alssalihoona​

21:105 Before this We wrote in the Psalms, after the Message (given to Moses): My servants the righteous, shall inherit the earth." ​

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[h=2]The plight of Rohingya Muslims[/h]
http://www.islamicboard.com/politics/5756-the-plight-of-rohingya-muslims-?format=pdfhttp://www.islamicboard.com/politic...ohingya-muslims-?tmpl=component&print=1&page=http://www.islamicboard.com/compone...1Ni10aGUtcGxpZ2h0LW9mLXJvaGluZ3lhLW11c2xpbXMt

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Last Updated on Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:45

The burnings and looting of their houses in the villages in a number towns in Arakan are still ongoing. Murders are not exception, which has claimed thousands of lives, not to mention the cases of rapes against the Rohingya Muslimahs, in addition to those who are forced to flee to neighboring countries, who are not well received, in fact they are even driven out, all these are increasingly hurting the Muslims all over the world.
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The sufferings of the Rohingya Muslims in Arakan (Rakhine) or those who have fled to neighboring countries, have not yet ended. The burnings and looting of their houses in the villages in a number towns in Arakan are still ongoing. Murders are not exception, which has claimed thousands of lives, not to mention the cases of rapes against the Rohingya Muslimahs, in addition to those who are forced to flee to neighboring countries, who are not well received, in fact they are even driven out, all these are increasingly hurting the Muslims all over the world.Despite being at their worst, the international world seems powerless to deal with this. The Rohingya Muslims are truly not protected, be it from the parties within the country or abroad. Whereas, Rakhine is not an unaccessible area that is far from human life. Even the Burmese authorities are silent and letting the atrocities against Muslims continue to happen, claiming to have sent their security forces to Arakan , but the security forces are not protecting the Rohingya people, in fact they are even involved in violence themselves.

Some of the pictures here have been published in the pro-Rohingya media and some were published by those who have the direct connections to the sources in Arakan, and some were taken from the video in Youtube. These are just some small evidences of the violences that are taking place in Arakan. While the precise details concerning the number of casualties, the wounded and refugees of the Rohingya Muslims have not been recorded, due to the huge numbers and the limitations of information gathering.

The silence of most of the top media of the international scale on the atrocities committed against the Rohingya Muslims, is also caused by the the ignorance the outside world on the condition of Rohingya. Some of the international media that have successfully plunged into the scene, are only recording the situation at a glance, and not showing or reporting how the Muslims are massacred and their houses burned, and they are simply showing the presence of Burmese security forces who are as if seen on guard, however it was not exposed of how the security forces are jointly involved with the Buddhist Rakhine ethnics in burning the houses, arresting and murdering the Muslims. Also it was not exposed of how the thousands of lives of the Msulims have been lost as a result of the abominations committed against them and tens of thousands of them are forced to be displaced.

Direct local sources from Arakan who can still communicate with the outside world, report the actual situations that happen through their relatives, friends or the pro-Rohingya media, despite the limitations in ability to collect detailed information. What can be reported, are only a small portion, which simply represents that atrocities against Muslims are truly happening in Myanmar.

The Muslims who are being persecuted presently in Arakan, are really in a very saddening state, helpless, only hoping for the help from Allah, with the hope that Allah would send them people who would help them, especially people from the Muslim community of the world who have the ability.

Is it really so difficult for those who have the ability to help the Rohingya Muslims? Do we need to await for the result or investigation by Burma or the UN? The Rohingya Muslims are not illegal immigrants in Arakan, they should receive the protection from the international bodies that claim to uphold the 'Law and Basic Human Rights!' that they always carry around. For prictures of the massacres taking place click here (images are very graphical)

"And they resented them not except because they believed in Allah , the Exalted in Might, the Praiseworthy, To whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. And Allah , over all things, is Witness. Indeed, those who have tortured the believing men and believing women and then have not repented will have the punishment of Hell, and they will have the punishment of the Burning Fire." [1]
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"Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory. [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right ." [2]
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"The believers, in their love, mutual kindness, and close ties, are like one body; when any part complains, the whole body responds to it with wakefulness and fever." [3]

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:Notes this article has been cross posted from http://theunjustmedia.com​

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[1] (Al-Buruuj: 8-10)
[2] (Al-Hajj :39-40)
[3] (Muttafaqun ‘Alaih from al-Nu’man bin Bashir)

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The above is from Islam21C
I have posted it using the phone so not everything shows up unfortunately

 

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Assalamualaikum.

Karen is one of numbers of oppressed ethnic in Myanmar. If you are talking about oppression toward ethnic of minority, Karen is one of the right example. However, without disrespect Kareni people, if you are talking about Muslim genocide, Karen is not the right example because they are not Muslims. Mostly of Karen people are Christians, the rest in small number are Buddhist. But maybe the Buddhist Karen are not oppressed because they are in Burmese side.

I still remember the battle of Kawmoora in 1995 which I followed the news everyday, the battle actually between Buddhist and Christians, because the Buddhist Karen were fighting in the Burmese govt troop side, not in the Karen official side which all of them are Christians. I guess, it's because the Burmese army are Buddhist too.

 

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I know that bro, of the 6 people ni the video, only one is a Christian - that was John. (besides those who are actually helping like Shaunessy McNeely from Global Refuge International)

The camp did not differentiate between Muslim and Christian, and this is where we must understand that the Buddhist Junta is not picky about who it oppresses. All they care is that Buddhism must prevail.

The ultimate truth is that if I was a Christian, and you a Muslim, living in Burma today - we'd be the ones being hunted down.

Scimi

 

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On a side note, are the Imaams in your local Masjids making it known about the plight of the Muslims in Burma?

Scimi

 

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I notice positively zero media coverage here in the west to their plight.. Where's Richard Gere and other pretentious Buddhists who speak of 'peace and love' and other sellable crap that the meek and moronic lap up?
You know what irks me the most, isn't their coverups or their overt hatred and continuous slaughter, we're already told of it and to expect it what kills me is the complete complacency lack of outrage on behalf of the Muslim world. Where they spend 140 million pounds on one Egyptian soap opera (and yes from public funds) over directing money to where it is needed, or in the least when a jackal like Romney speaks of making Jerusalem a Jewish capital that at least one man from their midst would stand up and even if a coward would just wave a U.N paper in front of them saying how changing the identity of Jerusalem is against the law. But no not even the weakest form of iman is allowed!
Hasbona Allah wa'nima alwakeel.
That's why I am asking that this Ramadan we reflect on all these things and spend our time wisely supplicating if we can't do anything then let Allah swt exonerate us. The people of Moses, Shoaib, Saleh, Lut, Ibrahim, Noah etc. (PBUT) weren't exterminated on the hands of those prophets of the hands full of believers but Allah swt did away with them and may Allah swt do away with those kaffirs and throw them in the bottommost pits of hell in shaa Allah for eternity!

 

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Bro Ardianto, this report may be of interest to you akhi

Link: http://sanooaung.wordpress.com/2007/11/14/easy-targets-the-persecution-of-muslims-in-burma/

This report takes a look at the general persecution of Muslims in Burma through the eyes of Muslim villagers and townspeople. Emphasis is placed on the sizeable but mostly ignored Muslim population outside of Rakhine (Arakan) State. Muslims have lived in Burma for hundreds of years, although many arrived only after Burma’s annexation by Great Britain in the 19[SUP]th[/SUP] Century. Racial and religious tensions have run high between Muslims and Burmans since independence in 1948. Successive Burmese regimes have encouraged or instigated violence against Muslims as a way of diverting the public’s attention away from economic or political concerns. The most recent outbreak of violence occurred in cities across Burma from February to October 2001. Burma’s draconian citizenship law makes it impossible for many Muslims to become citizens and receive national identity cards. Without the identity cards, Muslims have a difficult time travelling, getting an education or finding a job. Religious restrictions have also been placed on Muslims. There is a prohibition on the construction of new mosques and repairs to existing ones are limited to the interiors only. Groups of more than five Muslims have been prohibited from assembling in cities and towns where anti-Muslim riots occurred. Muslim religious leaders and groups are under surveillance by the SPDC. The situation has created a climate of fear among Muslims to such an extent that many feel they are always being watched and they must live their lives and practice their religion quietly and secretly.​

The report also examines Karen relations with the Muslim population in Karen State, particularly the persecution of Muslims by the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army (DKBA), a Karen group allied with the SPDC. The DKBA has been involved in the destruction of mosques and the forced relocation of Muslim villagers. DKBA soldiers have tried to force Muslims to worship Buddhist monks and put up Buddhist altars. Restrictions have also been placed on Muslims to force them to become vegetarian. Both the DKBA and the SPDC force Muslims in Karen State to perform forced labour for them on a regular basis.
There are small Muslim armed groups based in Rakhine State engaged in the struggle for human rights and federal democracy like the ethnicity-based resistance groups throughout Burma; they are not fundamentalist ‘jihad’ groups, nor are they part of any real or imaginary international networks like ‘Al Qaeda’. Elsewhere in the country Muslims are generally not politically active. Forming a small minority in many of the areas where they live and facing persecution both from the state and the local population, most Muslim communities are tightly knit but very low-key, focused mainly on the daily struggle to survive and support a family. Most Muslims realise they are easy targets for the regime and are too poor to get involved in politics. The September 2001 attacks in the United States have not had much of an impact in Burma apart from further travel restrictions placed on Muslims. While the SPDC has not yet tried to gain American support by labelling Burmese Muslims as ‘international terrorists’, the possibility remains that they may attempt to do so in future. The difficult conditions faced by Muslims across Burma have forced many to go to Thailand, Bangladesh or India, where they generally have no access to refugee status so they have no choice but to join the illegal migrant labour work force.
This report is based on interviews with Muslim refugees from Karen State and Muslim travellers and traders from central Burma and the Western border conducted by KHRG researchers between October 2001 and February 2002. All of the interviews quoted in the text are with Burmese Muslims with the exception of Interview #6 with “Moe Zaw Shwe”, who is a Karen Christian. There are a higher number of examples in the text from Karen State because more of the interviews were conducted with Muslims from Karen State. Some supporting information and assistance with interviews was provided by the Muslim Information Centre of Burma (MICB). While this report focuses on Muslims, readers may want to see the following KHRG reports for further information on the treatment of Muslim communities in the areas discussed in this report: “Refugees from the SLORC Occupation” (KHRG #97-07, 25/5/97),“Strengthening the Grip on Dooplaya: Developments in the SPDC Occupation of Dooplaya District” (KHRG #98-05, 10/6/98), and “Abuses and Relocations in Pa’an District” (KHRG #97-08, 1/8/97).
This report consists of several parts: this preface, an introduction, a detailed description of the situation including quotes from interviews, and an index of interviews. The full text of the interviews compiled for this report is available as a separately published annex and is available from KHRG upon approved request.

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Notes on the Text​

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In the interviews, all names of those interviewed have been changed and some details have been omitted where necessary to protect people from retaliation. False names are shown in double quotes. The captions under the quotes in the situation report include the interviewee’s (changed) name, gender, age and village, and a reference to the interview. These numbers can be used to find the full text of the interviews. Although measures have been taken to hide the identity of people in this report, please do not pass this report in its present form to any representatives, agents or business partners of the SPDC regime. The use of the terms ‘Rakhine’, ‘Arakan’ and ‘Rohingya’ is complex due to the political and racial significance of the terms. In this report the term ‘Rohingya’ is used to refer to Muslims in Rakhine State and ‘Rakhine’ is used to refer to the Buddhist inhabitants of Rakhine State. ‘Arakanese Muslim’ will be used in this report to differentiate between Muslims whose ancestors are indigenous to Rakhine State and Muslims whose ancestors arrived in Rakhine State during the British colonial period.​

All numeric dates in this report are in dd/mm/yy format.

Scimi

 

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The ultimate truth is that if I was a Christian, and you a Muslim, living in Burma today - we'd be the ones being hunted down.

I know. But even the Buddhist peole themselves, if they are not Burmese, they would be hunted down too.

The report also examines Karen relations with the Muslim population in Karen State, particularly the persecution of Muslims by the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army (DKBA), a Karen group allied with the SPDC. The DKBA has been involved in the destruction of mosques and the forced relocation of Muslim villagers. DKBA soldiers have tried to force Muslims to worship Buddhist monks and put up Buddhist altars. Restrictions have also been placed on Muslims to force them to become vegetarian. Both the DKBA and the SPDC force Muslims in Karen State to perform forced labour for them on a regular basis.
There are small Muslim armed groups based in Rakhine State engaged in the struggle for human rights and federal democracy like the ethnicity-based resistance groups throughout Burma;

As "state" Karen State is refer to region, or origin land of Karen. But Maybe, Muslims in Karen state are not Kareni, but Indian/Bangladeshi descendant like Rohingya.

Yes, there are small Muslims armed groups based on Rakhine, and I heard some of them fought alongside with Karen. I have seen a photo of few of them, and from what I've seen, they have Indian/Bangladeshi faces, not Indochina faces.

The Rohingya Muslims become 'unwanted' people in Myanmar because they are not Indochina, but descendant of Indian/Bangladeshi. So, although they have been living in Myanmar since long time ago, they are still considered as foreigners.

 

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I know. But even the Buddhist peole themselves, if they are not Burmese, they would be hunted down too.

Not if they claimed they were Buddhists and proved it bro.

From the report:

DKBA soldiers have tried to force Muslims to worship Buddhist monks and put up Buddhist altars.

^this, in Karen state.

Scimi

 

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The British Policy of Divide and Rule in Burma, Malaya and India


British Burma:

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In British Burma, the same policy was introduced with the help of ‘pseudo-anthropological’ tools such as the colonial census and population reports. After three successive wars against the Burmese kingdom in 1824-26, 1852-53 and 1884-85, the British attempted to break the Burman hold on Burmese politics and society by deliberately employing the ethnic minorities and hill tribes in specific sectors of the plural colonial economy. Groups like the Karens were singled out for missionary conversion and recruitment into the colonial police force (such as the Karen Rifles brigade), thereby immediately setting the different ethnic groupings against each other.

Other migrant races were brought in to man the colonial economy as well as the colonial police force. Sikh troops from India were used to curtail indigenous revolts, as in the case of British Malaya. As in the case of Malaya, the British also introduced a policy of ‘protecting’ the rights of the indigenous Burmans when it became obvious that they had been marginalised in the colonial economy that was set up. This involved the employment of Burmans into the civil service apparatus, but it effectively kept them out of other areas such as the economy.The result was a deepening of ethnic and racial differences and the creation of even more resentment between the communities, which the British used to their advantage. As a consequence of this, Burma experienced a series of ethnic conflicts which intensified during the process of nationalist struggle. The postcolonial regime has also tried to deal with the enduring problem of racial and ethnic animosity for several decades, but most of their policies have failed due to their own Burman-centric approach.In conclusion, it could be said that the British policy of divide and rule in Malaya was not unique. It was a standard policy that Britain was employing in all of its colonies in Asia as well as Africa, and its motivation was primarily based on realpolitik considerations that placed the economic and political needs of the colonial government before all else.

The British Policy of Divide and Rule: Some comparisons with British India and Burma.

The British policy of ‘divide and rule’ was not exclusive to Malaya alone, nor was it a practice carried out by Britain exclusively. It was a general policy adopted by most Western imperial powers which achieved its most rationalised and systematic form by the middle of the nineteenth century and it was carried out in most of their colonies in Asia and Africa until the middle of the twentieth century. ‘Divide and rule’ was generally responsible for sowing the seeds of racial, religious and ethnic discord and mistrust which led to many instances of inter-racial and inter-religious conflict. This in turn helped justify the presence of the colonial powers in the colonies as a foreign policing agent which kept the unstable situation in check by keeping the different groupings forcibly apart. Most of these colonies remain fragmented thanks to these policies which were not reversed or corrected during the hasty process of decolonisation in the 1940’s-60’s.

In British Malaya, a fragmented plural economy was created through the massive importation of large numbers of non-Malay Asian migrants, mostly from India and China. Sikh and Punjabi troops from Northern India were used to police the community and to keep the groups in check. They were also used to stem any attempts at revolt by the Malays. These groups were legally and forcibly confined to specific sectors of the economy, while the Malays themselves were gradually squeezed out of the economic mainstream of the colony. The policy of promoting Malays to allocated spaces within the colonial bureaucracy as part of the policy of ‘protecting’ Malay special privileges and rights further entrenched these differences and reinforced the boundaries of economic and political differences which coincided with artificially created ethnic boundaries.

The policies in Malaya can be compared to those employed in two other British Asian colonies: British India and British Burma.

Scimi

 

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Not if they claimed they were Buddhists and proved it bro.

Many of ethnic of minority are Buddhist, but they are oppressed by Burmese govt army. Exceptation are those who colaborate Burmese govt.

^this, in Karen state.

This is a photo of Muslim family in Karen State. Look at their faces. Indian/Bangladeshi, not Indochina.

 

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by deliberately employing the ethnic minorities

By the way that has always been their game & everywhere!
That's how Alwaites a shiite minority are ruling over a Sunni Majority sovereign nation but for every place they tried a different spin on the same theme, for instance in Egypt they gave a wedge of the south to Sudan hoping that would create discord over territories etc. territories which they worked on creating to begin with.. Divide and conquer and foster conflicts and deviations then set them against one another with full interest in devious ideology being the dominant force!

 

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Read report above your post bro Ardianto

Scimi

 

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On a side note, are the Imaams in your local Masjids making it known about the plight of the Muslims in Burma?

In Indonesia we do not talk about it in masjid, but outside the masjid.

Oppression toward Muslims in Myanmar is a hot international topic in Indonesia. Muslim organizations and parliament members have urge president to take action, like 'push' Myanmarese govt or open refugee camps for Rohingya people.

As action from people, one volunteer has been departed to refugee camps in Bangladesh to observe situation and definite the aid that needed by refugees. Only one person, not one team, because Bangladeshi govt gave visa only for one person.

 

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The Bangladeshi's wonder why they live in a region that is prone to flooding... now they have their answer.

How they can call themselves Muslim, is beyond me. (not generalising all Bengali's - but those who do not care for the Rohinghya Muslims)

Scimi

 

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The Bangladeshi's wonder why they live in a region that is prone to flooding... now they have their answer.

How they can call themselves Muslim, is beyond me. (not generalising all Bengali's - but those who do not care for the Rohinghya Muslims)

Scimi

Bro, you don't need to criticize Bangladesh like this. Even without Rohingya refugees, Bangladesh already has lot of problems with their population and poverty.

Rohingya are stateless people since 1982 after Burmese (Myanmar) govt refused to give citizenship to Rohingya because classified them as Bangladeshi. But Bangladesh govt does not accept Rohingya as their people because they left the land that now known as Bangladesh long time ago, before the establishment of Bangladesh as a country.

This time it's better if we help Rohingya people with our money. It can be used to buy foods and medicines for them. We can donate through zakat institutions or Muslim organizations.

 

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This time it's better if we help Rohingya people with our money. It can be used to buy foods and medicines for them. We can donate through zakat institutions or Muslim organizations.

That will help them a day or two but it is NOT a long term solution do you not agree?

 

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That will help them a day or two but it is NOT a long term solution do you not agree?

I know, it's not a long term solution. Brothers and sisters in several Muslim countries urge their governments to give long term solution such as push Myanmar govt to give citizenship, give asylum to Rohingya refugees, or lobbying third countries to give asylum.

But at this time, the Rohingya really need help, and we cannot only talk about them without doing anything. Rohingya are our family in Islam, and we have duty to help them.