Cables Obtained by WikiLeaks Shine Light Into Secret Diplomatic Channels

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I find many things strange about these wars, and I'm not the only one that does. I won't bother going into that detail, but you may find this interesting.

The female infant buried in the sand,
On Qiyamah, in front of Allah will she stand,
Seeking the reason for her premature end,
A custom the Pagan Arabs cared not to amend,
A mercy for mankind, the Prophet then arrived
Ending their murder, their infanticide,
But that was the story of a bygone era,
I write to tell you a place much nearer,
Where half a million children have met the same fate,
Embargoed and traumatised by the United States,
I speak of Iraq, crushed and defeated,
A country from where all mercy has retreated,
Who's children lie buried deep under the sand,
Of sorrow and anguish we'd never understand,
For what reason, what crime, what sin did they die?
The Iraqi children who were born to cry,
A genocide of apocalyptic proportions,
Hidden and silenced by media distortions,
The greatest bombardment in the history of war,
Cluster bombs, napalm - all this, what for?
Stabilisation of the Saudi economy,
'Peace' with Israel, Palestinian autonomy,
All envisioned in the 'new world order'
New age imperialism without any borders,
And who pays the price for this new world order?
The victims of course, of this one sided slaughter,
The people of Iraq, both young and old,
Who's destiny the Muslims have miserably sold,
Whose hopes and dreams have withered and perished,
For the everyday freedoms which you and I cherish,
The freedom to live, the freedom to survive,
Under such sanctions it's hard to stay alive,
But they won't get their freedom, until we will get ours,
The Muslim nations, from the Imperialist powers,
And until such a time what will you do?
Go back to sleep like so many do?
So the earth cries out, and the heavens do weep,
As Iraq dies silently, the world is asleep.
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I first came across this, just a few years "before the Iraq war started", and was the poem which I wrote my English essay on. The teacher gave me an extra two weeks, and asked me to choose a different poem, as this poem had lies about a war in Iraq. "Everyone" has access to a TV or newspapers, yet no one's heard of such a war, therefore the basis of the poem is false.

I did as I was told, passed, and moved on.

Guess what? A few years later, we did hear and read about an "Iraq war". This doesn't mean you should believe anything you come across, but it does mean that you can at least keep an open mind. There's a possibility that a piece of information isn't completely false, just because you disagree with it.

:wa:
 
Just the facts Ma'am!

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Surah an Nisa 4:135

135. O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even though it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, be he rich or poor, Allah is a Better Protector to both (than you). So follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you may avoid justice, and if you distort your witness or refuse to give it, verily, Allah is Ever Well-Acquainted with what you do.
(Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

Many of the cables were submitted by diplomats attempting to please their superiors or providing insight on opinions on foriegn heads of state.

Usually the hatred of another blinds peoples assessment of information and facts.

The entries on the cables regarding the homosexuality and curruption of heads of states families in the Middle East will never be addressed or discussed. Even though facts have substantiated many of those entries.

Supporting curruption and illicit actions is wrong no matter the source.
 
ya.azad said:
true, actually.
Iraq was viewed as and presented in the US as retaliation, however off that may be.
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well, if you consider and can make a case that Iraq invasion was a retaliation, then you can make a case also for *every* single invasion since the beginning of man that they are all just "retaliation" and none "instigation".
 
ChargerCarl said:
Why would the U.S. government go through huge length's to pull of a massive, logistically impossible terror attack to justify a war that had no connection to it?
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ChargerCarl said:
That makes no sense.
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Peace be to you:

ChargerCarl (The San Diego Chargers need to win out to make the playoffs):

It makes perfect sense if someone believes in conspiracy theories.


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1 + 3= 20 if you minus 16 before the 1 +3 etc, etc, etc.
 
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ya.azad said:
Well, i think it's safe to say WikiLeaks isn't going anywhere as:
"Wikileaks is currently mirrored on 2194 sites (updated 2010-12-15 15:56 GMT)"

I highly doubt WikiLeaks was planned by any western government, or any government at all. Whoever said that "if it was real there would be information about 9/11 being an inside job" or w/e: No, there wouldn't be. The US Government, while being highly corrupt and at times downright messed up, would NOT have done something to that scale. The US is more into retaliation as opposed to instigation. The retaliation is often disproportionate, but US Govt. instigation is never done to such as scale. Also, if it were ever legitimately found out (which it would be, there's no way it could stay secret) that the US DID do 9/11, many heads would be rolling, including Mr Bush's. He doesn't want that, trust me.
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I too doubt that the US planned 9/11, however I do think the US had some knowledge that there was a threat. I think some members of the Bush Administration were aware that there was an imminent threat.

ChargerCarl said:
Why would the U.S. government go through huge length's to pull of a massive, logistically impossible terror attack to justify a war that had no connection to it?

That makes no sense.
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Yes, there are other ways to start wars. However, I do think the US used 9/11 to their advantage to advance their own interests.
 
Guestfellow said:
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I too doubt that the US planned 9/11, however I do think the US had some knowledge that there was a threat. I think some members of the Bush Administration were aware that there was an imminent threat.
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The U.S. knew they were being targeted, but they had no idea when/how.
 
ChargerCarl said:
Why would the U.S. government go through huge length's to pull of a massive, logistically impossible terror attack to justify a war that had no connection to it?

That makes no sense.
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Connected to what?
9/11?
Are we living on the same planet?

It all makes sense when you realise:
1. Iraq has the second largest oil reserves in the world after Saudi
2. Iraq super strategically located in the center of middle east, AND located between USA's love child country (Israel) and the country it perceives as the biggest threat to its love child (Iran).
3. There have been recent investigative, incisive articles (even published in western mainstream media, such as the Vanity Fair) written which show that Ira invasion had already been planned even BEFORE 9/11.
 
ChargerCarl said:
The U.S. knew they were being targeted, but they had no idea when/how.
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Wasn't it found that the FBI knew planes would be used to attack targets in the US more than a year before 9/11? That doesn't sound like they had no idea.
 
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naidamar said:
Connected to what?
9/11?
Are we living on the same planet?

It all makes sense when you realise:
1. Iraq has the second largest oil reserves in the world after Saudi
2. Iraq super strategically located in the center of middle east, AND located between USA's love child country (Israel) and the country it perceives as the biggest threat to its love child (Iran).
3. There have been recent investigative, incisive articles (even published in western mainstream media, such as the Vanity Fair) written which show that Ira invasion had already been planned even BEFORE 9/11.
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My point was that there was no direct connection between Iraq and 9/11, as stated so in the commission reports.

I don't understand how you were able to misconstrue that.

And yes, Iran was on the radar long before 9/11. I don't see what so interesting about that though.
 
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ChargerCarl said:
My point was that there was no direct connection between Iraq and 9/11, as stated so in the commission reports
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no direct connection?

then why did you say:

Why would the U.S. government go through huge length's to pull of a massive, logistically impossible terror attack to justify a war that had no connection to it
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what do you mean by that?

ChargerCarl said:
I don't understand how you were able to misconstrue that.
And yes, Iran was on the radar long before 9/11. I don't see what so interesting about that though.
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I wrote "Ira", missing the "q" letter.
I don't understand how you were able to misconstrue it was "iran".
Anyone who read it would certainly think it was iraq, as iraq was invaded, and iran is not (or has not).
 
I don't understand what you're confused about. There was no connection between 9/11 and Iraq. So using it as a motive to argue that 9/11 was an inside job makes zero sense.
 
ChargerCarl said:
I don't understand what you're confused about. There was no connection between 9/11 and Iraq. So using it as a motive to argue that 9/11 was an inside job makes zero sense.
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I agree.
I was surprised that you made connection between Iraq and 9/11.
and why do you think 9/11 was an inside job?
I'm intrigued.
 
No, I see the Iraq invasion as a move to project American influence and power into a volatile and hostile region that is progressing further and further down the nuclear road.
 

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