Can the English translation of the Quran be trusted?

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Greetings of peace Burninglight

With the attempt of responding to your previously asked questions..and not trying to go off topic, since these are questions you as an OP have brought up..

Do you believe the Qur'an is an exact copy of a tablet of the Qur'an [in Heaven] in Sura 85:20-22 like we believe God’s word is established in heaven forever?

Owner of the throne, the Glorious, (He is the) Doer of whatsoever He intends (or wills). Has the story reached you of the hosts, Of Fir'aun (Pharaoh) and Thamud? Nay! The disbelievers (persisted) in denying (Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم and his Message of Islamic Monotheism). And Allah encompasses them from behind! (i.e. all their deeds are within His Knowledge, and He will requite them for their deeds). Nay! This is a Glorious Qur'an, (Inscribed) in Al-Lauh Al-Mahfuz (The Preserved Tablet)! [Al Qur’aan 85:15-22]

The Qur’aan is guarded in a tablet, protected and preserved, in accordance to the above posted verse. However, I won’t attempt to answer the rest as I’ve yet to study this topic in full by the grace of the almighty myself, inshaa’Allaah. So in order to know where it is located, only Allaah knows best. I believe someone knowledgeable can get to answering this i.e. a learned, knowledgeable person as in a scholar. So in that case, the Qur’aan is NOT left upon any individual to answer a question, as in giving their opinions on certain subjects or speaking without knowledge in order to just answer a question for the sake of answering a question, as it is an dangerous attempt in case one is mislead into believing incorrectly. You don’t go to a mechanic when your ill, but rather a doctor.

Also, can you post reference to where the bible states the word is established in heaven forever?

Is it true that there is a temporary verses in the Qur'an that Muslims agree Mohammed said were abrogated, are stored for all time in Heaven? Are they are still in the Qur'an today?

I don’t believe that there are ‘temporary’ verses in the Qur’aan, as these verses apply to a certain people and certain time, maybe this video will explain it best, due to my lack of good explanations, God willingly.

Is it true that the Sahih Muslim Hadiths record an extra Sura that is not in the Qur'an today?And that Muslim apologists claim this too was abrogated, but it is not in today's Qur'an?

The Qur'aan is complete, therefore there is no need for addition or deletion.

The hadeeth you are most likely referring to is a hadeeth in Sahih Bukhari, regarding the people of Adam (as) given the valley of gold..but I’m unable to find it as I don’t have the references with me, however, all I am aware of is that this is a saying of the prophet Muhammad (saw) and not a surah, but I’d better leave it to letting those most knowledgeable in answering this.

But in order to know the full understanding of every Ahadeeth within the books, go and study with Islamic scholars and teachers, this is what I suggest.

Is it true that 'Ubai's early copies of the Qur'an did not contain two Suras that are in the Qur'an today.

nope, it is not true. The 2 supposed 'surah's' your referring to are these "al-khal" and the other was named "al-hadf.". Am I correct? if not do feel free to correct me.

Here is the following translation..

1.O Allah, we seek your help and ask your forgiveness, and we praise you and we don't disbelieve in you. We separate from and leave who sins against you.

2.O Allah we worship you and to you we pray and prostrate and to you we run and hasten to serve you. We hope for your mercy and fear your punishment. Your punishment will surely reach the disbelievers.

These are actually part of a du'aa/supplication, known as du'aa e qunoot.

"O Allah! We beg help from You alone; ask forgiveness from You alone, and turn towards You and praise You for all the good things and are grateful to You and are not ungrateful to You and we part and break off with all those who are disobedient to you. O Allah! You alone do we worship and pray exclusively to You and bow before You alone and we hasten eagerly towards You and we fear Your severe punishment and hope for Your Mercy as your severe punishment is surely to be meted out to the unbelievers."

Notice that they are both similar. However, they are not chapters from the noble Qur'aan.

Is it true that 'Abdallah ibn Mas'ud was one of the four people Mohammed said to learn the Qur'an form. Is it true that the Al-Nuri lists verses in Ibn Mas'ud's version that are not in the Qur'an today?

Yes he did, Ibn Mas'ood (ra) was also considered a knowledgeable individual (but I have a feeling you've another question in regards to Ibn Mas'ood once answered)..also Can you tell what were/are the ‘al nuri’ verses , please ..

Before you attempt to ask more questions, please atleast study from Islamic sources, and quit posting questions from Anti-islamic sites such as muslimhope, answering islam etc.

Do feel free to correct me where i've gone wrong

 

[Burninglight]

Woah. That hadith went right over your head. Reading comprehension must not be your strong point. You truly don't understand...SubhanAllah. I hope you are sincere about learning about Islam because the more I read your posts, the more I think you are only here for other reasons. Some of your posts in the beginning seemed like you were so serious about really learning about Islam but then some of them seem like you are just playing and disagreeing for the sake of disagreement.

If you spent as much time explaining what has gone over my head instead of judging my motives, I might learn something. You don't know my heart only God can judge that.

If Christians cannot take revenge then not one of them should ever be in any branch of the armed forces because the commandments say "Thou shalt not kill." Revenge falls under that in times of combat too and getting revenge on someone doesn't have to be in the form of killing either. There are other ways. But I suppose every Christian in the armed forces aren't real Christians according to you either? Astagfirullah.

The military defense IMO, has nothing to do with this. Revenge is different than combat to me. To defend ones freedom or homeland from those that want to take over is different than you wanting to hurt someone the same or more than they hurt you for the sake of getting even. Besides, you have all faiths in the military and athestic beliefs as well. I am not sure you understood the Scripture I shared.

And I suppose if your family was being held at gunpoint or you were somewhere and some thugs were trying to do a walk by stabbing and rob you and your friends, you would just allow your loved ones to get killed because the bible says to love your enemies and turn the other cheek, huh?

No, you just to understand the Jesus in the Bible. That senario you gave has nothing to do with what I am talking about or the verse turn the other cheek. We believe in different Jesus'

I suppose you wouldn't feel any sense of revenge at all because your book says not to and you have such great control over your feelings that the thought of choking that man won't even come into your perfect mind, huh?

Maybe, put my feelings are not my leaders. The Book doesn't say control your feelings. But we can control what we do.

I'm not painting you in a negative light. I don't really know what you look like and I was never any good at painting in art class. You are presenting yourself in a negative way. Wake up. You are not being objective and your bias is coming off as extremely disrespectful to the point where I wonder if you come back to this forum and laugh at the posts

I am an artist I painted the picture you see of the man in the water being rescued by the hand of God. Wake up? Many people have been telling me that including non Christians UhMM I am not saying that to give you satisfaction, sister Aprender, I don't want to come across as disrespectful. It is painful to hear you say that about me. It makes me feel like a failure. I feel that you are not really looking objectively at what is being said to me when I respond. You ask of my intentions? It is to see Islam through your eyes and for you to see Christianity through mine. I go to bed because I am tired. We must have different time zones I have eastern standard time NY time. What is yours?
Peace

 

[Aprender]

You ask of my intentions? It is to see Islam through your eyes and for you to see Christianity through mine.

So your intention here was never to see what Islam has to offer you as you stated in another thread but to try and force us to understand Christianity in the way that you see it. Got it.

I don't have my own interpretation of Islam. I pray that Allah (swt) helps me follow the Quran and Sunnah every day and stay on the straight path in His religion and not to ever go astray from that. I do not adjust Islam to fit my own interpretations and desires but I adjust myself to fit the deen. Through my eyes, Islam is a pure monotheistic way of life that makes sense. It's simple. It's pure.

We believe in different Jesus'

I disagree. You just have a different interpretation of him.

I am an artist I painted the picture you see of the man in the water being rescued by the hand of God.

MashaAllah.

I feel that you are not really looking objectively at what is being said to me when I respond

Ditto.

Do you believe that God, the Father is All-Knowing?

 

[Burninglight]

So your intention here was never to see what Islam has to offer you as you stated in another thread but to try and force us to understand Christianity in the way that you see it. Got it.

I didn't say that. I said, for me to try and see it through your eyes. Then I think I will understand it better. I don't force Christianity on anyone. Trying to turn you into a Christian is not my intention or my job, but I would like for you to see it through my eyes so maybe we can have a deeper understanding of what the other is going through and that it might promote patience and tolerance where there wasn't any before. Why would you think the worse? I want for us to both see objectively

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

The truth is you do NOT take your own beliefs from the teachings of God or Jesus but you take your beliefs from that of random unknown men who never met Jesus nor had anything to do with him in the Gospels and therefore they have written totally unreliable accounts of his life of which even Christian scholars admit that such accounts cannot be relied upon as they are totally unreliable and riddled with contradictions, inconsistencies, additions and deletions. Is that where you take your faith and beliefs from? How will you answer God when heasks you why you disregarfed his teachings over that of unknown men who had nothing to do with God or Jesus. You will not have any excuse to make for you have disregarded the teachings of God for unreliable unknown accounts of Jesus life and sayings (the gospels).

You have your own mind to think logically and see sense yet you blocked it out thinking God cannot be explained anyway so I might aswell belive this or that about him. The fact is he NEVER taught you to believe that he manifests himself into 3 yet you believe the corrupted false teachings of the gospels over his word and teachings. How can such beliefs be true when NO Prophet of God ever taught such paganistic beliefs which clearly came from greek mythology which was quite fashionable at the time.

God is wanting you to see the truth but you refuse to want to see it.

 

[Aprender]

but I would like for you to see it through my eyes so maybe we can have a deeper understanding of what the other is going through and that it might promote patience and tolerance where there wasn't any before. Why would you think the worse? I want for us to both see objectively

You don't have to shove your interpretations of Scripture to us on the message board for us to understand what you're going through. That's not really the best way to start interfaith dialogue since that is now your new intention here on the forum. With that aside, it doesn't seem that you're trying to see Islam through my or anyone elses eyes here because anytime someone tells you something about the Islamic perspective, you still just quote unverifiable Bible quotes back at us without trying to put yourself in the position of the Muslim and truly understanding where they're coming from or how that can make sense.

Objectivity is not my problem. I used to be a journalist for a major newspaper and even though my stories were edited down to bits and slanted to fit the agenda of the paper, both sides got a fair trial as defined by my editor. I also used to be a devout Christian so I am familiar with both sides of the spectrum.

Objectivity is a journey that you need to make. Most people who come here to learn about Islam, come and ask genuine questions that they have themselves like "Why does the religion oppress women? Why does Islam allow Muslim men to ruthlessly beat their wives? Why does the Quran say to kill all of us infidels?" They don't copy and paste offensive lies asking for explanation about questions that they don't fully even understand themselves. I will no longer entertain foolishness.

Please answer my question.

Do you believe that God, the Father is All-Knowing?

 

[Burninglight]

The truth is you do NOT take your own beliefs from the teachings of God or Jesus but you take your beliefs from that of random unknown men who never met Jesus nor had anything to do with him in the Gospels and therefore they have written totally unreliable accounts of his life of which even Christian scholars admit that such accounts cannot be relied upon as they are totally unreliable and riddled with contradictions, inconsistencies, additions and deletions. Is that where you take your faith and beliefs from? How will you answer God when heasks you why you disregarfed his teachings over that of unknown men who had nothing to do with God or Jesus. You will not have any excuse to make for you have disregarded the teachings of God for unreliable unknown accounts of Jesus life and sayings (the gospels).

You have your own mind to think logically and see sense yet you blocked it out thinking God cannot be explained anyway so I might aswell belive this or that about him. The fact is he NEVER taught you to believe that he manifests himself into 3 yet you believe the corrupted false teachings of the gospels over his word and teachings. How can such beliefs be true when NO Prophet of God ever taught such paganistic beliefs which clearly came from greek mythology which was quite fashionable at the time.

God is wanting you to see the truth but you refuse to want to see it.

That is right I was never taught that he manifests Himself into 3 so can we PLZ I beg you stop talking about it. I wasn't taught that. I am hearing more about it from Muslims in one day then I heard of it in 10 years among Christians. Why this obsession with the trinity. I haven't tried to promote the term once on this forum so why do you keep bringing up something I cannot explain or understand? STOP STOP STOP!!! I am not telling you have to accept the term trinity. I haven't mentioned it. No One taught the trinity in the Bible either, Not even Paul

 

[Burninglight]

....you still just quote unverifiable Bible quotes back at us without trying to put yourself in the position of the Muslim and truly understanding where they're coming from or how that can make sense.

What do you mean. I don't quote Bible Scripture I cannot back up. I haven't done that once.

Objectivity is not my problem. I used to be a journalist for a major newspaper and even though my stories were edited down to bits and slanted to fit the agenda of the paper, both sides got a fair trial as defined by my editor. I also used to be a devout Christian so I am familiar with both sides of the spectrum.

Okay, I accept that. You are familiar but many are not.

Objectivity is a journey that you need to make. Most people who come here to learn about Islam, come and ask genuine questions that they have themselves like "Why does the religion oppress women? Why does Islam allow Muslim men to ruthlessly beat their wives? Why does the Quran say to kill all of us infidels?"

Why is there a division among the ****e and the sunni. What is the differences? Muslims tell me that the Quran teaches how they may beat their wives to avoid abuse. Why doesn't it teach them not to beat them at all? Wouldn't that be the most logical way to avoid abuse? What is beat lightly to one man might be a power punch to another man. Why does it state a woman's witness is half that of a man?

 

[Burninglight]

Originally Posted by Aprender
Do you believe that God, the Father is All-Knowing?

Yes, I do

 

[Aprender]

Why is there a division among the ****e and the sunni. What is the differences?

The first groups of Muslims that I learned about was that group. I had no idea that Sunni even existed. We can go for days and days about what they believe and if you looked into it for yourself you would wouldn't be able to understand how anyone in their right mind could believe such a thing. I find the beliefs of that particular group to be appalling and scary. Basically their beliefs hold some similarities to Catholicism in that they pray to saints and have their own special group of imams that they worship.

Just read this.
http://www.islamicboard.com/education-issues/134310918-i-didnt-know-about-shias.html#post1492137

 

[Aprender]

Muslims tell me that the Quran teaches how they may beat their wives to avoid abuse. Why doesn't it teach them not to beat them at all? Wouldn't that be the most logical way to avoid abuse? What is beat lightly to one man might be a power punch to another man.

I've never heard this justification before that men beat their wives to avoid abuse. That is abuse. This explanation for it is a new one for me but understand that spousal abuse is something that occurs across all cultures and religions and it's definitely not something that is out of the realm of possibility here in the West at all.

When I began learning about Islam I thought this was very strange too. Beat me lightly? What is that supposed to mean? It didn't make any sense. Basically if I am being seriously defiant in a way then my husband can tap me with a small stick or a twig. But at the end of the day it's like this. It doesn't matter if I am a Christian, Jewish or Humanist woman, if my husband were to severely beat me for any reason I'd have to divorce him. No amount of love for any human being in this world is worth me being abused and my health and life severely being put in danger. That in and of itself is a form of torture and oppression that has no place in society at all regardless of the religion. Here is a more detailed answer on that ruling by qualified scholars.

Praise be to Allaah. We are very happy that you are reading our site and are keen to learn about Islam. We ask Allaah to guide you to that which will bring you happiness in this world and in the hereafter.

There is nothing in the Qur’aan that suggests that a man is allowed to bite his wife. 1 – The Qur’aan enjoins good treatment of one's wife: she is to be honoured and treated kindly, even when one no longer feels love in one's heart towards her. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “and live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allaah brings through it a great deal of good” [al-Nisa’ 4:19]

2 – The Qur’aan explains that women have rights over their husbands, just as their husbands have rights over them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):​

“And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise” [al-Baqarah 2:228]

This verse indicates that the man has additional rights, commensurate with his role as protector and maintainer and his responsibility of spending (on his wife) etc. 3 – The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined kind treatment and honouring of one’s wife, and he described the best of people as those who are best to their wives. He said: “The best of you are those who are the best to their wives, and I am the best of you to my wives.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3895; Ibn Maajah, 1977; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

4 – The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) spoke beautiful word concerning kind treatment of one’s wife, stating that when the husband feeds his wife and puts a morsel of food in her mouth, he earns the reward of doing an act of charity. He said, “You never spend anything but you will be rewarded for it, even the morsel of food that you lift to your wife’s mouth.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6352; Muslim, 1628.

4 – And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Fear Allaah with regard to women, for you have taken them as a trust from Allaah and intimacy with them has become permissible to you by the words of Allaah. Your right over them is that they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike; if they do that then hit them but not in a harsh manner. And their right over you is that you should provide for them and clothe them on a reasonable basis.” Narrated by Muslim, 1218.

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What is meant by “they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike” is that they should not allow anyone whom you dislike to enter your houses, whether the person disliked is a man or a woman, or any of the woman’s mahrams [close relatives to whom marriage is forbidden]. The prohibition includes all of them. From the words of al-Nawawi.

The hadeeth may be understood as meaning that a man has the right to hit his wife, in a manner that is not harsh and does not cause injury if if there is a reason for that, such as her going against his wishes or disobeying him.

This is like the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great” [al-Nisa’ 4:34]

If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: this means that it should not cause pain.​

‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth - Translator]

The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her. And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/41199/

While the scholar says here about "disobeying the husband" I've heard some sheiks say that a husband should do this if his wife is doing something to disobey Allah (swt). (i.e. not praying after the husband reminds her, drinking alcohol after the husband reminds her not to do this, etc.) The reason some of them have made this distinction is because some men have come to the conclusion that a wife is the slave to her husband and that she must obey his every command like a robot no matter how ridiculous and backwards it may be when in actuality the only thing that any human being should be a slave/servant to is the Creator alone.

 

[Burninglight]

The first groups of Muslims that I learned about was that group. I had no idea that Sunni even existed. We can go for days and days about what they believe and if you looked into it for yourself you would wouldn't be able to understand how anyone in their right mind could believe such a thing. I find the beliefs of that particular group to be appalling and scary. Basically their beliefs hold some similarities to Catholicism in that they pray to saints and have their own special group of imams that they worship.

Just read this.
http://www.islamicboard.com/education-issues/134310918-i-didnt-know-about-shias.html#post1492137

So the Shia are like what the Catholics are to Biblical Christians. The shia sound like bad news. So the Sunni are good. They have the best doctrine. How did the Shia & the Sunni separate. Did the Sunni come out of the Shia like Biblical Chritsians and Protestants came out of Catholics. How do they call them Catholics? Do the Shia believe that Jesus died on the cross?

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

So the Shia are like what the Catholics are to Biblical Christians. The shia sound like bad news. So the Sunni are good. They have the best doctrine. How did the Shia & the Sunni separate. Did the Sunni come out of the Shia like Biblical Chritsians and Protestants came out of Catholics. How they call them Catholics? Do the Shia believe that Jesus died on the cross?

No they are not because Catholics make up the majority of Christianity whereas Shia only make up a small percentage of Muslims. They also follow the Qur'an but they do not follow the Sunnah but they claim to follow the way of the 12 imams, 11 of which were related to the Prophet (Pbuh). Shia came out of Sunnis not the other way around. It was more political than religious to do with the caliphate of Ali (Ra). No Muslim believes Jesus died on the cross. That is a complete myth.

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

That is right I was never taught that he manifests Himself into 3 so can we PLZ I beg you stop talking about it. I wasn't taught that. I am hearing more about it from Muslims in one day then I heard of it in 10 years among Christians. Why this obsession with the trinity. I haven't tried to promote the term once on this forum so why do you keep bringing up something I cannot explain or understand? STOP STOP STOP!!! I am not telling you have to accept the term trinity. I haven't mentioned it. No One taught the trinity in the Bible either, Not even Paul

But you keep saying that Jesus is the word made flesh meaning that God manifested himself into his word (Jesus). You also believe that the holy spirit is another manifestation of God. So you do believe in the trinity. So why do you keep denying it? You believe in that which you yourself claim is NOT in the bible. How can you believe God manifests himself into 3?

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Muslims tell me that the Quran teaches how they may beat their wives to avoid abuse. Why doesn't it teach them not to beat them at all? Wouldn't that be the most logical way to avoid abuse? What is beat lightly to one man might be a power punch to another man. Why does it state a woman's witness is half that of a man?

Are you sure it isnt anti-Islamic websites that tell you this? NO Muslim would claim something that is against Islam.

 

[Burninglight]

Are you sure it isnt anti-Islamic websites that tell you this? NO Muslim would claim something that is against Islam.

No i did not go there, but things come to mind I heard. Do you deny that Islam teaches you the correct way to beat your woman such as leave no marks on their face or am I confusing the Sunni with the Shia?

 

[Aprender]

No i did not go there, but things come to mind I heard. Do you deny that Islam teaches you the correct way to beat your woman such as leave no marks on their face or am I confusing the Sunni with the Shia?

Will refer you to this from the scholar again:

If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: this means that it should not cause pain.

‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth - Translator]

Basically a tap. If you beat your wife until she is black and blue in the face or in such a way that her bones or broken and their are bruises all over her body and she is unconscious and can't walk by the time your violent rage ends then you have indeed transgressed and need to repent for this sin right away.

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

No i did not go there, but things come to mind I heard. Do you deny that Islam teaches you the correct way to beat your woman such as leave no marks on their face or am I confusing the Sunni with the Shia?

Well you should ascertain the facts before making incorrect statements which seem to me to come from anti-Islamic websites. The Islamic stance regarding what you have mentioned is that firstly Islam forbids hitting anyone on the face. This is established by the following hadith of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) Narrated by Abu Hurraira:

" Avoid striking the face, for Allah created Adam in his image." (Muslim and al-Bukhari). So to slap ones wife is forbidden in Islam.

If the wife committs indecency or becomes rebellious against her husband then only in exceptional circumstances and as a last resort when all else has failed is it is permissable for the husband to lightly strike her but it is forbidden to cause her any injury, similar to the proper disciplining of a child. It is never lawful for him to strike her face or cause her any bruise or injury. The Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said regarding this:

"So beware of Allah regarding women for you have taken them as a trust from Allah and you have made their bodies lawful with the word of Allah. You have the right over them that they should not allow anyone on your furnishings who you dislike. If they do that, hit them in a way which causes no injury. And, they have the right over you to provision and clothing according to custom." (Bukhari & Muslim)

So the hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: this means that it should not cause pain.

‘Ata’(Ra) said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth - Translator]

The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her.

Also one must keep in mind that hitting the wife is ONLY if she is doing something very wrong and you have already tried to speak to her about it, and that has failed, AND you have abandoned her bed and that has failed, ONLY then is it permissible to hit her lightly, as a last resort.

In no way does Islam allow men to hit out at their wives in a moment of anger, to take out their frustration on them or simply because he felt like it, as some people wrongly claim. As Muslims we must protect the sanctity of our religion and also it is upon us to protect women from abusive husbands - we therefore must be very assertive in establishing the fact that NO, Islam does not in anyway way allow a man to abuse his wife!

It is a fact that our beloved Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) never hit nor did he even ever shout at any of his wives or servants. He was the best towards his wives and was the perfect example for mankind. The Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) stated:

"The best among you is the one who is the best towards his wife"

(Hadith - Muslim, #3466)

So a Muslim must be the best towards his wife and must never hurt nor injure her whether mentally nor physically.

And Allah knows best in all matters

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Also dont try to change the subject. You said:

That is right I was never taught that he manifests Himself into 3 so can we PLZ I beg you stop talking about it. I wasn't taught that. I am hearing more about it from Muslims in one day then I heard of it in 10 years among Christians. Why this obsession with the trinity. I haven't tried to promote the term once on this forum so why do you keep bringing up something I cannot explain or understand? STOP STOP STOP!!! I am not telling you have to accept the term trinity. I haven't mentioned it. No One taught the trinity in the Bible either, Not even Paul

But you keep saying that Jesus is the word made flesh meaning that God manifested himself into his word (Jesus). You also believe that the holy spirit is another manifestation of God. So you do believe in the trinity. So why do you keep denying it? You believe in that which you yourself claim is NOT in the bible. How can you believe God manifests himself into 3?

 

[Burninglight]

Well you should ascertain the facts before making incorrect statements which seem to me to come from anti-Islamic websites. The Islamic stance regarding what you have mentioned is that firstly Islam forbids hitting anyone on the face. This is established by the following hadith of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) Narrated by Abu Hurraira:

" Avoid striking the face, for Allah created Adam in his image." (Muslim and al-Bukhari). So to slap ones wife is forbidden in Islam.

My question was not answered ; instead, you appear to get on the defensive by showing concern where I got my information. My question is wouldn't it have been better to tell the husbands not to beat their wives at all to avoid any risk of abuse? Believe me I have seen and heard the abuse some Muslim woman are going through. Plz just answer my question.

Basically a tap. If you beat your wife until she is black and blue in the face or in such a way that her bones or broken and their are bruises all over her body and she is unconscious and can't walk by the time your violent rage ends then you have indeed transgressed and need to repent for this sin right away.

A tap with a toothpick type twig. I am sorry, but this makes no sense to me. How is that worse than witholding the marriage bed especially for the man. The man has more to lose if he has one wife. He is punishing himself more for what the wife did wrong. What if the man is wrong in the marriage relationship? What does the man get beaten with? My question was simple, and it didn't get answered. The Bible teaches not to beat your wife in any fashion or form; in fact, it states that we shouild love our wives like Christ loved the church and gave Himself for it. We are taught to lay down our lives for our wives! This really helps prevent abuse.