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Hard to argue with that. Let's incinerate Polly on her way to Grandmama's house in Glasgow. Hip, hip , hoorah!
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Hard to argue with that. Let's incinerate Polly on her way to Grandmama's house in Glasgow. Hip, hip , hoorah!
here's another more better and etailed link i found
A car on fire has been driven at the main terminal building at Glasgow Airport before exploding, police have confirmed.
Eyewitnesses have described a Jeep Cherokee being driven at speed towards the building with flames coming out from underneath.
They have also described seeing two Asian men, one of whom was on fire, who had been in the car.
The airport has been evacuated and all flights suspended.
One eyewitness said: "I heard the sound of a car's wheels spinning and smoke smoke coming out.
"I saw a Jeep Cherokee apparently as if it was trying to get right through the doors into the terminal building.
"There were flames coming out from underneath then some men appeared from in amongst the flames.
"The police ran over and the people started fighting with the police. I then heard what sounded like an explosion."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257194.stm
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1103AP_Britain_Terrorism.html tell me if you like it
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Can't do any better than the Seattle PI!:thumbs_up :thumbs_up
(It you don't understand, I live in Seattle)
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And what "way" would that be?
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Especially if you believe in collective guilt and collective punishment. :raging:
I’m sure those in the airport were directly responsible for killing many Muslims. :skeleton:
Well for sure if you use OBL’s logic. :raging:
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this country is responsible for the killings of hundred of innocent children, women, and men in Iraq, Afghanistan, torture of Muslims in abu gharib.
And if u think that no-one will do something about it, even it means killing other innocent people than u need to wake up.
And if u think that no-one will do something about it, even it means killing other innocent people than u need to wake up.
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Hey! I just got it. Your sign-in name is a timer on a you know what counting down to the big boom! Or, it could be apocolyptic. Either way, very clever.
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That doesn't help anyone.
Turn your thinking to peace not hate my friend ... we've got to start somewhere.
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What makes u think that i support these terrorist attacks and killing of innocent ppl, i ain't a terrorist no terrorist supporter, all i was saying is you gotta understand why they did it, they didn't just wake up one day and decide to blow up the airport.
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Yes i agree with you. Something must have pushed them to that acts. Probably they didnt like british foreign politics i guess. So they found very sophisticated way to express their feeling.
Attacks lacked skill, but spread chaos By DAVID RISING, Associated Press Writer
6 minutes ago
LONDON - The attempted attacks in London and Glasgow bore the hallmarks of an al-Qaida operation, but they lacked a key ingredient: professional execution.
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While details are still emerging about the men and the methods behind the plot, analysts say the apparent ineptness in carrying it out indicates the group may have been amateurs working without the guidance or direct support of masterminds in Pakistan or the Middle East.
None of the makeshift bombs managed to detonate, and the only serious injury was suffered by one of the alleged perpetrators, who set himself ablaze.
But despite the failures, the attacks did accomplish one goal: creating fear and havoc throughout Britain as police cordoned off streets to search 19 locations, stepped up stop-and-search procedures and banned cars from approaching terminals at many airports.
The plot also brought the specter of Iraq-style violence in Europe, sending the grim message that — with a little luck — any jihadist with a car and easily obtained materials is capable of wreaking carnage.
"Even bombs that don't go off have worldwide repercussions, and I think this is part of the terrorist calculus as well," said terrorism expert Bruce Hoffman. "Even if they're not successful, they still have tremendous success doing what terrorism is supposed to do: generate fear and panic."
Still, analysts say a true al-Qaida attack would have been more expertly handled — and deadly.
"This was probably a bunch of guys loosely connected to al-Qaida who were sparked into action, but didn't have access to al-Qaida money and explosives people," said Peter Lehr at the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at the University of St. Andrews.
The Glasgow bombers showed some of the ineptitude of the homegrown radicals who allegedly plotted to attack Fort Dix in New Jersey in May. Those suspects allegedly sent a jihadi videotape to a local store to be copied, prompting the clerk to tip off authorities.
A lack of al-Qaida expertise does not always mean failure, however.
The North African men who blew up four commuter trains in Madrid in 2004 had no apparent links to al-Qaida, but killed nearly 200 people. It is still unclear to what extent the July 7, 2005, London transit bombers received formal al-Qaida training. Their attack killed 52.
But many more attacks by homegrown groups fail than succeed, and the most recent attempts appear to fit a general trend.
Fifteen people are awaiting trial on an alleged plot foiled by British police last August to blow up as many as 10 airliners flying from Britain to the U.S. with liquid explosives.
In 2003, police raided a London apartment and claimed to have foiled a plot to spread the deadly toxin ricin, though no ricin was found. Eight Algerians who had been living in London were either acquitted or never stood trial while a ninth was convicted of murdering a police officer.
Five al-Qaida-linked British men were sentenced to life in prison in April over a planned 2004 bombing spree against targets including a nightclub and power plants.
However, surveillance teams tracking the 2004 plotters — who planned to use fertilizer-based bombs — picked up two of the later London subway attackers among the group's associates, but failed to piece together intelligence in time to halt the assault on commuters the next year.
Experts warn that while unaffiliated radicals don't often have the support or expertise to stage a major attack, that very independence allows them to operate under authorities' radar. British officials are reportedly monitoring more than 2,000 radicals, but it was not known whether those allegedly behind the most recent attacks were among them.
"As the London attacks showed two years ago, unsophisticated devices can kill people just as easily as sophisticated ones," said Hoffman, who teaches at Georgetown University. "And so I think what we're seeing has been a hallmark of al-Qaida, or other jihadi operations in the UK going back to 2003."
The U.S. Homeland Security secretary, Michael Chertoff, also warned against dismissing attacks like the ones in Britain as being less of a risk because of a supposed lack of professionalism.
"People are very quick to characterize a plot as being sophisticated or amateurish," Chertoff said in a television interview. "The fact is, any plot is dangerous. And if on Sept. 10, 2001, someone had talked about the hijacking of airliners with knives and box cutters, I think they would have been laughed at as coming up with a childish plan."
Even though the propane cylinder bombs left in two cars in London didn't explode and the Jeep rigged the same way that crashed into the entrance of the Glasgow airport also failed to blow up, the spectacular scene of the blazing SUV may have been effective from a terrorist's perspective, Hoffman said.
Already there is the inconvenience of intensified security measures, and the fact that the deadly transit bombings of July 7, 2005, were followed two weeks later by a second, but failed, attack is on most people's mind.
"Some plots succeed and some don't, but if your strategy is as much a form of psychological warfare as actual warfare, they still achieve, from a terrorist point of view, an enormous psychological impact on target audiences," Hoffman said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070702/ap_on_re_eu/britain_terrorism_s_goals
6 minutes ago
LONDON - The attempted attacks in London and Glasgow bore the hallmarks of an al-Qaida operation, but they lacked a key ingredient: professional execution.
ADVERTISEMENT
While details are still emerging about the men and the methods behind the plot, analysts say the apparent ineptness in carrying it out indicates the group may have been amateurs working without the guidance or direct support of masterminds in Pakistan or the Middle East.
None of the makeshift bombs managed to detonate, and the only serious injury was suffered by one of the alleged perpetrators, who set himself ablaze.
But despite the failures, the attacks did accomplish one goal: creating fear and havoc throughout Britain as police cordoned off streets to search 19 locations, stepped up stop-and-search procedures and banned cars from approaching terminals at many airports.
The plot also brought the specter of Iraq-style violence in Europe, sending the grim message that — with a little luck — any jihadist with a car and easily obtained materials is capable of wreaking carnage.
"Even bombs that don't go off have worldwide repercussions, and I think this is part of the terrorist calculus as well," said terrorism expert Bruce Hoffman. "Even if they're not successful, they still have tremendous success doing what terrorism is supposed to do: generate fear and panic."
Still, analysts say a true al-Qaida attack would have been more expertly handled — and deadly.
"This was probably a bunch of guys loosely connected to al-Qaida who were sparked into action, but didn't have access to al-Qaida money and explosives people," said Peter Lehr at the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at the University of St. Andrews.
The Glasgow bombers showed some of the ineptitude of the homegrown radicals who allegedly plotted to attack Fort Dix in New Jersey in May. Those suspects allegedly sent a jihadi videotape to a local store to be copied, prompting the clerk to tip off authorities.
A lack of al-Qaida expertise does not always mean failure, however.
The North African men who blew up four commuter trains in Madrid in 2004 had no apparent links to al-Qaida, but killed nearly 200 people. It is still unclear to what extent the July 7, 2005, London transit bombers received formal al-Qaida training. Their attack killed 52.
But many more attacks by homegrown groups fail than succeed, and the most recent attempts appear to fit a general trend.
Fifteen people are awaiting trial on an alleged plot foiled by British police last August to blow up as many as 10 airliners flying from Britain to the U.S. with liquid explosives.
In 2003, police raided a London apartment and claimed to have foiled a plot to spread the deadly toxin ricin, though no ricin was found. Eight Algerians who had been living in London were either acquitted or never stood trial while a ninth was convicted of murdering a police officer.
Five al-Qaida-linked British men were sentenced to life in prison in April over a planned 2004 bombing spree against targets including a nightclub and power plants.
However, surveillance teams tracking the 2004 plotters — who planned to use fertilizer-based bombs — picked up two of the later London subway attackers among the group's associates, but failed to piece together intelligence in time to halt the assault on commuters the next year.
Experts warn that while unaffiliated radicals don't often have the support or expertise to stage a major attack, that very independence allows them to operate under authorities' radar. British officials are reportedly monitoring more than 2,000 radicals, but it was not known whether those allegedly behind the most recent attacks were among them.
"As the London attacks showed two years ago, unsophisticated devices can kill people just as easily as sophisticated ones," said Hoffman, who teaches at Georgetown University. "And so I think what we're seeing has been a hallmark of al-Qaida, or other jihadi operations in the UK going back to 2003."
The U.S. Homeland Security secretary, Michael Chertoff, also warned against dismissing attacks like the ones in Britain as being less of a risk because of a supposed lack of professionalism.
"People are very quick to characterize a plot as being sophisticated or amateurish," Chertoff said in a television interview. "The fact is, any plot is dangerous. And if on Sept. 10, 2001, someone had talked about the hijacking of airliners with knives and box cutters, I think they would have been laughed at as coming up with a childish plan."
Even though the propane cylinder bombs left in two cars in London didn't explode and the Jeep rigged the same way that crashed into the entrance of the Glasgow airport also failed to blow up, the spectacular scene of the blazing SUV may have been effective from a terrorist's perspective, Hoffman said.
Already there is the inconvenience of intensified security measures, and the fact that the deadly transit bombings of July 7, 2005, were followed two weeks later by a second, but failed, attack is on most people's mind.
"Some plots succeed and some don't, but if your strategy is as much a form of psychological warfare as actual warfare, they still achieve, from a terrorist point of view, an enormous psychological impact on target audiences," Hoffman said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070702/ap_on_re_eu/britain_terrorism_s_goals
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The latest word is that they have arrested 5 Muslim doctors in connection with this case. That is a rather strange twist to the story, and will create more problems for everyday Muslims because of the difficulty in profiling these guys. It shows that it isn't only young, ostracized Muslim men, but professionals that are involved with these things. The U.K. got wind of that after the 7/7 bombings, but this will only reinforce the problem.
This is what I posted on my non-Muslims terrorism thread:
The following was the excuse making. Compare these responses to the condemnations and sarcasm by non-Muslims on this thread, the failed london car bomb (that didn't hurt anyone), and the Glasgow car that had gas poured over it and driven into part of the airport (exactly like what the above Christian Terrorist did), but excuses were tendered on behalf of the Christian terrorist, and condemnations were issued against the Muslims, as usual:
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More Bridge Building?
This is what I posted on my non-Muslims terrorism thread:
The following was the excuse making. Compare these responses to the condemnations and sarcasm by non-Muslims on this thread, the failed london car bomb (that didn't hurt anyone), and the Glasgow car that had gas poured over it and driven into part of the airport (exactly like what the above Christian Terrorist did), but excuses were tendered on behalf of the Christian terrorist, and condemnations were issued against the Muslims, as usual:
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The following was the excuse making. Compare these responses to the condemnations and sarcasm by non-Muslims on this thread, the failed london car bomb (that didn't hurt anyone), and the Glasgow car that had gas poured over it and driven into part of the airport (exactly like what the above Christian Terrorist did), but excuses were tendered on behalf of the Christian terrorist, and condemnations were issued against the Muslims, as usual:
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If you are going to quote me, I insist on attribution!
If you are trying to say these situations are analogous then you are going to have quite a credibility well to climb out of. The only things in common are gasoline and a four-wheeled vehicle. The buidling was unoccupied. There was no conspiracy. He didn't appear to even cite Christianity as a motive. He just seems like a nutjob. That being said, arson is a very serious crime. They should put him in jail for 20 to life if he is convicted. See if I care. I have no sympathy for the nutbar and his disordered brain chemicals, unless he can be shown to have a treatable condition.OK..back over to you. Now explain to us why we should see no difference between this incident and a clear consipracy (minimum of two) who decide to kill people they don't know despite the fact that their brains appeared to be working OK.
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You are so right and that is so sad. I question that it will ever stop.
But I truly hope so.