Channel 4's 'Undercover Mosque' returns

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Fazl Ahmad said:



Thinker this is sacred month of Ramadan, please dont talk bad about the Holy Quran or hadith of Prophet Muhammad (alaihi salatu wa salam).
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Hi

I've just re-read my posts and I can't see anything I have said that could be construed as 'speaking bad about the Holy Quran or hadith of Prophet Muhammad.' I belive all I have done is re-iterated what others have said and asked for clarification. In fact I am asking you and others to contradict the bad things said by others.
 
Hi Thinker,

Thinker said:
I don't know if it says something similar in the Bible or any other book and I don't care, wherever it is said it must be condemned. A leading Muslim cleric should go public and condemn the quoted verse. Why isn’t that happening?
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For the correct understanding (in context, I must add) of Islam and apostasy, see this thread:

http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/4738-islam-apostasy.html

The thread in question is now closed, so if you still have any issues after reading it, I suggest creating a new thread.

Regards
 
Osman said:
Link to watch it online
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Unfortunately you have to live in the U.K. to watch the documentary. Is it on youtube by chance?

Ishbah said:
My point is that it says a similar thing in the Bible; I cannot remember the exact chapter and verse. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it said similar in the Torah, all three holy books have many, many similar passages.
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Nowhere in the New Testament does it say kill those who depart from the faith. Jesus himself is quoted as saying to his disciples, 'Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.' Matthew: 26:52.

It's true that this was the case in the Old Testament, but that was during a time when God was trying to establish the only Godly nation on Earth, so they had to be pure and set apart to be instruments of the will of God.
 
Thinker said:
I don't know if it says something similar in the Bible or any other book and I don't care, wherever it is said it must be condemned. A leading Muslim cleric should go public and condemn the quoted verse. Why isn’t that happening?
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A leading muslim cleric will never go public and condemn the verses, rather he will praise whatever was bought by Allah and His messenger.

If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it?

None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbour’s child hitting their child or justify this as "personal freedom," so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the sharee’ah which Allah revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all?
 
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'Abd-al Latif said:
A leading muslim clerc will never go public and condemn the verses, rather he will praise whatever was bought by Allah and His messenger.

If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it?

None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbour’s child hitting their child or justify this as "personal freedom," so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the sharee’ah which Allah revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all
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did the death penalty not have something to do with stopping kuffaar infiltrating Muslim ranks and then changing sides mid-stream to demoralize them?
 
Thinker said:
I think the short answer is NO (and I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong).

In the UK you it is illegal to preach hatred, violence and intolerance to other races or religions.

It is against the law to suggest that someone should kill someone for any reason.

It is against the law to suggest that someone should stone or lash someone for any reason.

It is against the law to teach people to hate another section of society who are a different race or religion.

It is not against the law to teach people that you should not take a particular race or religious group as your 'friends' but it isn't doing a lot to endear the local population twoards Muslims.
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I must say Thinker that you, the Brittish people, are somehow equally responsible for this.
It is you, Britts, who entered your borders to hundred thousands of muslims from Pakistan, Bangladesh or India.
You believed in the utopy of multiculturalism. You didnt listen to wise people who were warning about the danger of creating of muslim ghettos in your own brittish cities.
It sounds not polite but you must now reap what you saw.
Firstly you should not punish the immigrants but your own brittish people, politics, journalists, people of media, who were preaching the new gospel of multiculturalism and silenced every critics of it.
 
that presenter was shocked and he was defendin himself, i wouldnt say georgy won the debate, because he was the presenter and he just like finished the debate off...

which program is this, is it on youtube in full....
 
It's on Press TV, which I have gathered to be a UK-based Iranian channel or something like that.
 
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Galloway did have a point. He should have mentioned the questionable editing of the program (though, I didn't see the sequel: undercover mosque returns). Still, I did think the quality of that dispatches program was weak; they've had much better ones before and after so I don't really understand why they'd show this program. It's like you have a program saying: Muslims don't fit the negative stereotype. And then you follow it up with: ''look at these muslims, preaching XYZ in their mosques!''

Oh well.
 

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