China Nobel Row

Guestfellow said:
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The award of the Nobel Peace Prize to an imprisoned Chinese dissident is not an attempt to enforce Western values on China, organisers say.

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I don't see how awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to anybody could serious be considered an attempt to 'enforce' anything on China. How could it ever possibly do that?

That said, I don't see any reason why the Nobel committee should pander to China, either, nor to anyone who holds political dissidents under the guise of 'criminals' that they believe worthy of the award . The award is embarrassing for the Chinese no doubt; the empty chair for the recipient and the refusal of the Chinese to let any of his family and assortment of fellow dissidents out of the country to collect the prize only provides evidence of why it is justified, and makes the Chinese authorities look foolish. And the only people who stayed away (Cubans apart, maybe) were those with particularly good reasons for not upsetting the Chinese, not for any moral indignation about the prize being given to a 'criminal'.

An excellent and well deserved award, in contrast to last year it must be said.
 
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Nobel peace prize has always been used to promote political causes. This year it is no different.
 
Salaam

Did you hear? The Russians are considering whether to nominate Julian Assange for the nobel peace prize!

Regretably though, I think the Americans would 'disapprove'. . . . .
 
these pple just can't stop showing their hypocrisy, if they give the award to a chinese dissident what have they done to help aafia siddiqui's case, why not retrieve obama's award as he has failed miserably...these awards are just waste at times. i luved the comment on russia nominating julian assange, that guy made the biggest mockery of america but the truth is there are pple who are always blind that even if they can't see the rays of the sun they still don't feel the heat.
 
The West (EU and US) has peeped in its own laws and has disturbed Asia a Lot.....
(Vietnam,Palestine,Iraq,Afghan,Iran,East-Russia,...long list)...and they are yet to stop.

Dont always follow the West (EU and US)....thats wat i can say.
 
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The Nobel Peace Prize means nothing. Obama was given one for no reason. The US and EU behave as though they govern the world and think they speak for everyone. US and EU claim to be champions Human Rights but end up torturing suspects, start wars and kill thousands of civilians. I personally view the US and EU as tyrannical nutters. I'm not a fan of China either.
 
Junon said:
Salaam

Did you hear? The Russians are considering whether to nominate Julian Assange for the nobel peace prize!

Regretably though, I think the Americans would 'disapprove'. . . . .
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I wonder how far Russian enthusiasm would extend if it was their own diplomatic communications that had been leaked!
 
Junon said:
Salaam

Did you hear? The Russians are considering whether to nominate Julian Assange for the nobel peace prize!

Regretably though, I think the Americans would 'disapprove'. . . . .
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Salaam,

Oh the irony. America gets a taste of its own medicine.
 
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Fact: the only other country to host their own peace prize in protest of the Nobel award was Nazi Germany.

Hmmm...
 
Guestfellow said:
The Nobel Peace Prize means nothing. Obama was given one for no reason. The US and EU behave as though they govern the world and think they speak for everyone. US and EU claim to be champions Human Rights but end up torturing suspects, start wars and kill thousands of civilians. I personally view the US and EU as tyrannical nutters. I'm not a fan of China either.
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It means nothing to you perhaps and you might like to note that many nations have started wars and tortured suspects. For example the Muslim armies invaded and conquered many nations so by extension they are also tyrannical nutters? I don't excuse the invasion of Iraq but perhaps you overlook Islamic ones?
 
Hugo said:
It means nothing to you perhaps and you might like to note that many nations have started wars and tortured suspects.
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Yes, I'm well aware that many nations have started wars and torture people. There is no need to point that out.

For example the Muslim armies invaded and conquered many nations so by extension they are also tyrannical nutters? I don't excuse the invasion of Iraq but perhaps you overlook Islamic ones?
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What is this? An attempt to derail the topic? Create another topic about Muslim armies invading and conquering other countries, and do give specific examples and back them up with authentic sources. In this topic, I'm more concerned about current tyrannical nutters.
 
Guestfellow said:
Yes, I'm well aware that many nations have started wars and torture people. There is no need to point that out.

What is this? An attempt to derail the topic? Create another topic about Muslim armies invading and conquering other countries, and do give specific examples and back them up with authentic sources. In this topic, I'm more concerned about current tyrannical nutters.
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This has nothing to do with derailing anything just to point out that one has to have a realistic perspective if what you say is to have any value. The moment we let 'who can I blame' thinking dominate is the moment we get a distorted view of history that suits our corner and encourages us to over look its wrongs. To take you point of concern there has been and still are tyrannical nutters of all kinds Bib Ladin, Saddam Hussain, Hitler, and so on. The Nobel prize in the latest case was not to a nutter but a man whose only 'crime' is to denounce hatred and long for peace and for that he gets locked up by what seems to be a spiteful and intolerant government.
 
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To take you point of concern there has been and still are tyrannical nutters of all kinds Bib Ladin, Saddam Hussain, Hitler, and so on.
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For example the Muslim armies invaded and conquered many nations so by extension they are also tyrannical nutters?
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...Adolf Hitler? o_o

Does it look like Bin Ladin and Saddam Hussain are commanding Muslim armies to conquer other countries?

Saddam Hussain was a supporter of Arab nationalism and had no interest in establishing an Islamic State. Bin Ladin was upset over the Arab and Israeli conflict, and disliked western countries for supporting Israel.

These two men have not conquered anything. Saddam Hussain is dead and Bin Ladin is probably dead or hiding.

The Nobel prize in the latest case was not to a nutter but a man whose only 'crime' is to denounce hatred and long for peace and for that he gets locked up by what seems to be a spiteful and intolerant government.
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I never said the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to a tyrannical nutter. I do not think the Nobel Peace Prize any credibility, especially after it was awarded to Obama.

I said the US and EU behave like tyrannical nutters. Both attempt to govern the world, claim to be champions of human rights but start wars, kill thousands of innocent civilians and torture suspects. I change my mind, the US and EU are hypocritical tyrannical nutters.
 
Yeah I was just wondering that Guestfellow said EU and US not "christian nations" the way Hugo seems to think that saddam Hussien of the Baath Party and his Iraq is an Islamic nation - If Binladen has an army or commands an Islamic nation? Is this what you call accurate history???

Just to add as we can call Bin Laden, Saddam Hussien and Hitler has nutters - GW Bush and Tony Blair should be there as well - they did send soldiers to war that they lied about and ended up killing many civilians.

Back to the topic the Noble prize is meaningless.
 
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Yes, the Nobel Prize Committee does get it wrong sometimes (Obama, Gore, etc.), but they often also get it right.

I can understand if you want to disregard it, but does anyone here actually support China in this? Or does everyone simply look upon it as spitting in the face of the West, therefore something to be applauded, or at the least condoned?
 
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but does anyone here actually support China in this? Or does everyone simply look upon it as spitting in the face of the West, therefore something to be applauded, or at the least condoned?
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I think some western countries should not get involved in other countries internal affairs.
 
There is no peace in the world, so pointless handing out awards to any one,

On the other hand if there was a award for a nobel WAR prize , then i think there would be sooo many nominees for that award
 
I think some western countries should not get involved in other countries internal affairs
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So people should not point out injustice if it happens in another country?
 

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