Christian and Muslim Obstacles

Ansar Al-'Adl said:
Salvation in Islam is first and foremost by the mercy of God, and we earn God's mercy by BOTH faith in Him AND righteous deeds or works.
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Thats the same as the Christian belief.
 
Greetings in peace to you all,

I often feel that the biggest obstacle between Christianity and Islam is a lack of brotherly love.

I feel this lack of brotherly love stands in the way of Christian Unity, Islamic Unity and interfaith relations between people of all faiths and no faith.

The same God created each and every one of us, which means we are all related to each other through one God. God chooses whom he wills, this message is in the Bible, and Koran, and possibly in many other holy books, and I believe this to be true.

God seems to have a purpose to choose each one of us through many diverse ways.

I feel that the greatest purpose for faith is a means to try and change ourselves, rather than have this need to change others.

In the spirit of striving for a greatest meaning of one God

Eric
 
eric's post made me think. this is only theoretical, since we are humans and not saints.
imagine a world where all christians and all muslims really lived and followed their religions. what would that be like - could they live in harmony or would they have to kill each other eventually?
 
Greetings and peace be with you snakelegs,

I think it was Desmond Tutu who described all religions as being a morally neutral tool, you could also describe atheism and agnosticism as morally neutral.

He compared religion to a knife which is also a morally neutral tool, a surgeon can use a knife to heal, and a murderer can use a knife to kill.

A Christian should strive to become a better Christian and a Muslim should strive to become a better Muslim.

There is no compulsion in religion and so there should be no reason why people of all faiths cannot coexist peacefully together.

In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith understanding

Eric
 
Salaam,

for me i would say the Prophecy of Rapture that caused chrisitan to support Israel for their "lord" to return.
thus Israel has the right to do anything for its won safety while sacrificing muslim lives.

Makes me wonder,does a loving god require to murder all jews if they dont convert to christianity??
 
Greetings and peace be with you Zulkiflim,

The problems around Palestine and Israel seem so complex and deep routed, but I believe Israel to be in the wrong. I have recently written to Tony Blair urging him to take action and urge an immediate cease fire. There is an appeal for more people to challenge our prime minister on the following Christian Aid site.
http://www.pressureworks.org.uk/dosomething/act/260706_mideast_form.html

The greatest thing Christians are commanded to do is to love God with all our heart, mind, soul and strength and to love our neighbours as we love ourselves. All the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments.

I am commanded to love you as I love myself, whether you convert to Christianity or remain a Muslim. If we should choose to act in a way that goes against these commandments, then we are not following in the true teachings of Christ.

I cannot see any barriers within religion and God’s desires that should put barriers between building greater interfaith relations, but maybe I am blind.

In the spirit of striving for brotherly love between our faiths,

Eric
 
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Zulkiflim said:
.....does a loving god require to murder all jews if they dont convert to christianity??
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It's the same god that requires 200,000 Muslims to die in natural disasters.

That requires 20,000,000 to die in WW1

That requires 50,000,000 to die in WW2

Its the same god that gave a message to the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) but did not give it to anybody else.
 
snakelegs said:
where all christians and all muslims really lived and followed their religions. what would that be like - could they live in harmony
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At first yes. But Muslims would try to introduce Shari law. This would not be allowed and then Muslims scream “discrimination” which leads to larger troubles.
 
Greetings and peace Joe98

Joe98 said:
It's the same god that requires 200,000 Muslims to die in natural disasters.

That requires 20,000,000 to die in WW1

That requires 50,000,000 to die in WW2

Its the same god that gave a message to the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) but did not give it to anybody else.
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We could possibly blame God for all these seemingly unnecessary deaths if there was nothing after death, but God gives us hope of a greater life after death.

God has to be morally greater than all of us, and he is a merciful God. So we must trust in God to put all things right.

Take care

Eric
 
snakelegs said:
eric's post made me think. this is only theoretical, since we are humans and not saints.
imagine a world where all christians and all muslims really lived and followed their religions. what would that be like - could they live in harmony or would they have to kill each other eventually?
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You will find in arab lands were once it was ruled by Islam (and its law the Sharia) there are still coptic christians numbering in the millions. This is proof that christians and muslims did live in harmony.

The Qur'an says there is no compulsion in religion and the muslims respected the christians.
 
Rules for any constructive converstaion IMO:

1) both speakers must speak objectively and not subjectively.
2) both speakers must be ready to provide evidence, and should provide evidence to back up what they say or provide references so it can be checked.
3) both speakers must seek the truth and be ready to take constructive criticism.
 
Joe98 said:
Thats the same as the Christian belief.
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Almost the same. My salvation is a gift paid for by Jesus; (Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God not because of works, lest any man should boast.). Jesus has not left me with the option to boast on anything I have done to gain the kingdom.

The deeds we do after being born again (good or bad) may gain us rewards in heaven they will not affect our assurance of it. Read this verse:
Matthew 5:19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus here is describing someone who has blown it yet will still be in heaven, maybe the least, but there.
In Christ is complete freedom but also a guide (the Holy Spirit) to help us in our walk. After all being a Christian is not arriving at a destination, it is the journey itself.
 
Joe98 said:
It's the same god that requires 200,000 Muslims to die in natural disasters.

That requires 20,000,000 to die in WW1

That requires 50,000,000 to die in WW2

Its the same god that gave a message to the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) but did not give it to anybody else.
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Salaam,

We muslim know that but supposdly by chritian doctorine god loves...

So is that a sign of god love?

For muslim life and death is a fact of life,so are diseases,being poor or rich,there are laws for everthing and in all cases it is choices for test.

But can you tell me ofr chrisitan doctorine of love and what not,what is the ratinale when something horrible happens to chrsiitan or acts done by chrsiitan?

An expale was the holocaust? Or the The Irish fight between protestant and catholics(is that right) Or the genocide in rwanda where 1million tutu were murdered by the church ?
 
Probably the most important thing that Jesus had to teach us is about forgiveness. I would like to take the oppotunity now to ask forgiveness. History shows the many mistakes made by Christians in the course of spreading the Good News. As we look back many times are apparent where we were walking in the flesh rather than the spirit. There are many examples of Christianity being force fed on the end of a sword or rifle and that is wrong. There are many examples of over zealous people, in the name of Jesus, completely disrupting and destroying cultures. Jesus tells His disciples if a people does not want to hear His message then to leave that town and kick the dust from your heals. Basically, it is their choice. Free will is what God has given us. He desires to spend an eternity with those that would choose Him of their own will, not those who were forced. So again I would like to ask forgiveness of anyone who has been shown condemnation and not the love of our neighbor as we are asked. I offer no excuse for our trangressions just a desire that we be forgiven.
 
Fishman said:
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The Church didn't kill the Tutsi, it was the Hutu tribe.
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Salaam,

Again forgeting what you wish to forget,the hutu and tutis were both chrsiitan and it is noted by both sides that church men killed Tutsi in churches with the blessing of the then priest.

Some priest even aided in their murder.

[PIE]The Silent Church
See and hear testimonies from SURF's Online Media Library

Many priests and nuns who spoke out on human rights abuses were killed. Some priests tried to stop the genocide, but many also refused to condemn it. Indeed, in a grotesque perversion of their calling, large numbers of clergy actually assisted the killers, whether by denying sanctuary to those fleeing or, in some cases, betraying the hiding places of the Tutsis and leading their killers to them.

[/PIE]

http://www.survivors-fund.org.uk/genocide/church.htm

you cna find here..

So ar these people i your mind christians??
Or will you ignore the question?
 
evangel said:
Probably the most important thing that Jesus had to teach us is about forgiveness. I would like to take the oppotunity now to ask forgiveness. History shows the many mistakes made by Christians in the course of spreading the Good News. As we look back many times are apparent where we were walking in the flesh rather than the spirit. There are many examples of Christianity being force fed on the end of a sword or rifle and that is wrong. There are many examples of over zealous people, in the name of Jesus, completely disrupting and destroying cultures. Jesus tells His disciples if a people does not want to hear His message then to leave that town and kick the dust from your heals. Basically, it is their choice. Free will is what God has given us. He desires to spend an eternity with those that would choose Him of their own will, not those who were forced. So again I would like to ask forgiveness of anyone who has been shown condemnation and not the love of our neighbor as we are asked. I offer no excuse for our trangressions just a desire that we be forgiven.
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Salaam,

Yes christianty is constantly evolving to suit the current fashion.

But my question is if the now chrisitan are referenced by future chrisitan as non christian what would you say?

What would you say that the current interpretation of love and forgiveness as is before the past are false?
 
Zulkiflim said:
Salaam,

Again forgeting what you wish to forget,the hutu and tutis were both chrsiitan and it is noted by both sides that church men killed Tutsi in churches with the blessing of the then priest.

Some priest even aided in their murder.

[PIE]The Silent Church
See and hear testimonies from SURF's Online Media Library

Many priests and nuns who spoke out on human rights abuses were killed. Some priests tried to stop the genocide, but many also refused to condemn it. Indeed, in a grotesque perversion of their calling, large numbers of clergy actually assisted the killers, whether by denying sanctuary to those fleeing or, in some cases, betraying the hiding places of the Tutsis and leading their killers to them.

[/PIE]

http://www.survivors-fund.org.uk/genocide/church.htm

you cna find here..

So ar these people i your mind christians??
Or will you ignore the question?
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But why didn't the people who did a presentation on the Rwanda genocide who came to our school tell us this?
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