Christian Trinity and Muslim's Tauwheed [monotheism] = Same God? A Clarification.

[Fazl Ahmad]

For a man who supposedly spent 3 years preaching, we have a grand total of just 50 days of his life recorded. What the gospels focus on, what the writers spend 1/3 to 1/2 of their time telling us about is in fact that final week culiminating in his death and resurection. By your own way of figuring, that would seem to make the message the primary message they were trying to share with us about Jesus.

Actually my point is what Jesus himself emphasized. The authors of the "gospels" obviously had their own agenda. They only focused their narrative on a certain part of Jesus' life.

Anyways, let me ask you, we as Muslims do not believe Jesus died for our sins. We don't believe that was his purpose, and we don't see any value in him dying helping us come closer to Allah. So in your perspective, are we condemned or saved? Most probably you will say condemned. We Muslims define ourselves as being devoted exclusively to Allah. We worship and invoke Him alone, which is the message of the bible. We don't believe Jesus is divine or the only begotten son of God. This is something you need to think about very carefully and reflect upon alot. Is it reasonable to believe that by rejecting Jesus having died for our sins you go to hell? Please be honest about this. Christianity says Jesus dying for your sins and accepting that is the way to get saved. Islam says that being devoted to Allah alone without any partners or idols is the way to get saved. Let us forget the New Testament for a moment and look to the Old Testament. The Old Testament is about one thing and one thing only, worshiping God alone and condemning worship of idols and false gods. This is the basis for God blessing and bestowing His favors upon the people of Israel. Now we have the Quran which completely agrees with the old testament theology, and the new testament, which is a complete surprise and completely new theology. If you think in these terms I hope you will see where we are coming from.

In the meantime I invite you to read the book Taqwiyatul Iman in English by the great martyr of Islam, Shah Ismail Delhwi (may Allah bestow mercy on him).

You can read this book on your own time, it is in PDF format. It is about 79 pages if you want to print it, or print certain sections. This book is about the beautiful subject of tawheed, the Oneness of Allah, and shows how believing in the Oneness of Allah and never compromising in that is the way to salvation. It is very simple and easy book to understand, please enjoy it.

 

[mkh4JC]

Actually my point is what Jesus himself emphasized. The authors of the "gospels" obviously had their own agenda. They only focused their narrative on a certain part of Jesus' life.

Anyways, let me ask you, we as Muslims do not believe Jesus died for our sins. We don't believe that was his purpose, and we don't see any value in him dying helping us come closer to Allah. So in your perspective, are we condemned or saved? Most probably you will say condemned. We Muslims define ourselves as being devoted exclusively to Allah. We worship and invoke Him alone, which is the message of the bible. We don't believe Jesus is divine or the only begotten son of God. This is something you need to think about very carefully and reflect upon alot. Is it reasonable to believe that by rejecting Jesus having died for our sins you go to hell? Please be honest about this.

We as Christians don't have the power to condemn anyone. No one on this Earth has that kind of power. It's all in God's hands. We of course--however--believe that Jesus is the only way to the Father, and that whether a person knows it or not they need him in their lives.

Christianity says Jesus dying for your sins and accepting that is the way to get saved. Islam says that being devoted to Allah alone without any partners or idols is the way to get saved. Let us forget the New Testament for a moment and look to the Old Testament. The Old Testament is about one thing and one thing only, worshiping God alone and condemning worship of idols and false gods. This is the basis for God blessing and bestowing His favors upon the people of Israel. Now we have the Quran which completely agrees with the old testament theology, and the new testament, which is a complete surprise and completely new theology. If you think in these terms I hope you will see where we are coming from.

If you ever read the Old Testament, you can see with crystal clarity how the sacrificial system set up by God that the Jewish people had to abide by is a precursor to what Christ would ultimately have to do on the cross in the role of the perfect sacrifice. So, in that most important respect, the Old and New Testaments are like different sides of the same cloth. The Jews for the most part don't recognize Christ, or can't see that he is the promised Messiah because God has put a seal on their eyes until the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled. But during the tribulation they will come to realize that Christ is the Messiah. The Quran completely disregards this method of redemption that in the Old Testament can be traced even back to the first family on Earth, as evidenced by Cain and Abel's sacrificial offerings to God.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Actually my point is what Jesus himself emphasized. The authors of the "gospels" obviously had their own agenda. They only focused their narrative on a certain part of Jesus' life.

Anyways, let me ask you, we as Muslims do not believe Jesus died for our sins. We don't believe that was his purpose, and we don't see any value in him dying helping us come closer to Allah. So in your perspective, are we condemned or saved?

I have addressed this many times. You asked for my perspective, so I will give mine, which I know is certainly not shared by all other Christians.

I believe that salvation is a gift of God to whoever he chooses to give it. I know that he has promised it to those who put their trust in Jesus to save them. And I know that whoever is saved is saved because Christ has made it possible and one is saved by his work. But I don't find it anywhere in scripture that says God excludes all who don't confess Christ. Rather, I note in Romans 2 that God seems to make provision for those who live according to the law he has placed on their hearts. This may or may not include Muslims, I don't know. So, I pray that it does, but encourage you to turn to Christ if you truly want assurance.

 

[Fazl Ahmad]

If you ever read the Old Testament, you can see with crystal clarity how the sacrificial system set up by God that the Jewish people had to abide by is a precursor to what Christ would ultimately have to do on the cross in the role of the perfect sacrifice.

Animal sacrifice is an act of devotion, it can be either good or evil, depending on whom it is dedicated to. Hence animal sacrifices to false gods and idols is condemned, while if an animal sacrifice is dedicated to God alone it is a righteous act. Therefore, you cannot divorce the actual sacrifice to the intention behind it. God is extremely angered with people sacrificing animals to a pagan deity, but is pleased if the same animals is sacrificed in His Name! So when Jesus was supposedly "sacrificed" in whose Name was He sacrificed? That is our point, Jesus being put on the cross is not the same as an animal sacrifice, to believe so is quite absurd in my opinion. Christians believe Jesus was sacrificed for the benefit of all humanity, yet only a tiny fraction of humanity would be involved in actually sacrificing him.

I simply fail to see how the Bible mandating animal sacrifices dedicated to God on certain festivals and for certain circumstances is somehow foreshadowing the "sacrifice" of Jesus. An animal sacrifice is an act of piety, does this mean the people who tried to kill Jesus and rejected him as the messiah were acting piously?

The message of the Old testament is that all acts of devotion should be dedicated to God alone, and animal sacrifice is not unique to Jews, even the pagan practice it, but their sacrifices are dedicated to their "gods" instead of the One True God. They even sacrifice humans as mentioned in the Bible about the pagan deity molech.

 

[MustafaMc]

A difference in translation of the same text is not the same thing as conflicting manuscripts for the Bible. The text of the Quran is one, and every manuscript of the Quran (in Arabic of course) since the time of the Salaf until now has been exactly the same.

Another major difference between the Qur'an and the Bible is that we believe that every word of the Qur'an is the Word of Allah. Christians can't even remotely claim that the Bible is the Word of God (even though they "know" it is the Truth). For example, can Christians even claim that God said to Paul, "But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned." (Galatians 2:11) Of course they can't even make the claim, but yet they refuse to see that 95% of the NT is merely words written by man. They unquestionably accept the "gospel" that Paul claims he received as revelation from God (Galatians 1:12, I Cor 15:1-2) without really acknowledging him as a Prophet of God. To me, one must first establish the prophethood of someone before his message is accepted as being from God. Christians skip over this pivotal analysis. We Muslims first accept Muhammad as a Prophet and Messenger of God before we accept what he taught - remember the shahada, "Ash'hadu an la ilaha il'Allah wa ash'hadu anna Muhammadan abdahu wa rasool'Allah."

The NT gospels are more comparable to our hadith than to the Qur'an, but without chains of narration being established as we have with the sahih hadith. The gospels are written in third person of he said/he did in reference to Jesus (as) and there isn't even full agreement between the 4 gosples as to what Jesus (as) actually said or did.

Imagine that Amr ibn Hishām (Abu Jahl) suddenly "saw the light" and before the Battle Badr he instead went to Yemen only to return to Mecca after Prophet Muhammad (saaws) had died. Upon returning, he started preaching the "message" that he claims was revealed to him that Muhammad was the "Son of God" (astighfir'Allah) and he opposed Abu Bakr in his reestablishing the collection of zakat "to his face because he stood condemned". How long would it have taken for this impostor to have been killed? Yet this is entirely analogous to Paul and his letters in the Bible. Somehow the letters by Paul (such as I Cor 15:1-8) are more often the emphasis of Christian sermons than are the words allegedly spoken by Jesus (as) in the 4 gospels.

 

[Eric H]

This thread needs to close.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

This thread needs to close.

It doesn't. Just all the offensive stuff need to be deleted.

 

[MustafaMc]

In the meantime I invite you to read the book Taqwiyatul Iman in English by the great martyr of Islam, Shah Ismail Delhwi (may Allah bestow mercy on him).

When I read this paragraph, I could not help but think of the discussions we have had regarding Mary and the Christian saints. Apparently, in the early 1800's shirk was rampant among Muslims at least in India. Also, wasn't one of the primary reforms of Muhammad Wahab to abolish grave worship?

Those who profess to have Faith in Allah while their actions reeking of polytheism:
It means that the majority of people who outwardly profess to have faith in Allah are in fact entangled in the quagmire of polytheism. If someone questions them as to why are they involved in Shirk while evincing faith in Allah, they answer by saying that "We are not committing an act of polytheism, neigh we cherish a tremendous amount of love for the prophets and saints and we are none but their true devotees. Had we considered them on an equal status with Allah, it would have been 'an act of Shirk', but we merely consider them the slaves and creatures of Allah, Who had vested in them an authority and given them the capability to the effect that they manipulate the matters concerning this world by the Will of Allah. Therefore calling upon them for help is calling upon Allah for His Help. These people are dear ones to Allah and therefore are free to do whatever they like. These are our advocates who will intercede with Allah on our behalf. Meeting them makes one meet his Cherisher and calling upon them makes us near to Allah. The more we recognize their greatness and pay our respect to them, the more we shall be drawn towards Allah." - In addition to all this, they make a lot of other absurd and baseless statements.

I believe that one could substitute only a few words in quotes above and Catholics could say exactly the same thing about Mary and their "saints".

 

[جوري]

Anyway, I hope Muslims realize Islam is not the only religion that people make fun of.

People indeed realize that Islam is the religion people most target.. but they can't make fun of.. there is nothing by way of a self-sacrificial God who has been drawn in every color for years to make a parody of or have artists depict (the mother of God) using newly dead W H O R E S..I
What is done against Islam be out of their own spite and zealous vigilance-- because their own religion is reduced to frogs and W H O R E S!

as for the cartoons

That is not Prophet Mohamed PBUH.. the pictures don't fit with his description, nor the deeds they ascribe to him are known to have been committed by him-- thus I am as a person completely divorced from it.. if anything it looks like a Sikh fellow from the kingdom of Punjab!

cheers

 

[crayon]

as for the cartoons

That is not Prophet Mohamed PBUH.. the pictures don't fit with his description, nor the deeds they ascribe to him are known to have been committed by him-- thus I am as a person completely divorced from it.. if anything it looks like a Sikh fellow from the kingdom of Punjab!

cheers

Wow, I never looked at it that way..
So very true!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

If anyone is offended by the cartoons, I only posted them so mods would delete them along with the frog.

People indeed realize that Islam is the religion people most target..

I don't think so. Western press mostly targets Christianity, though Christians don't make to much of a fuss about it, so in most cases it gets unnoticed.

 

[coddles76]

...but why do Christians call Jesus (as) the Son of God? They often end their prayers "...In the name of your Son, Jesus". How can an entity be the "son of someone" and at the same time be that "someone"?

Thats a good question Mustafa,
And that's why I have specified that I would leave it to the reader of the forum to decide how contradictory that sounds but Maybe our friendly christian members can have a answer for you on how God can be the son, and at the same time be God himself who walked the earth then sacrificied himself on the cross to rid the world of sin which is still in abundance around the entire world.

 

[mkh4JC]

Thats a good question Mustafa,
And that's why I have specified that I would leave it to the reader of the forum to decide how contradictory that sounds but Maybe our friendly christian members can have a answer for you on how God can be the son, and at the same time be God himself who walked the earth then sacrificied himself on the cross to rid the world of sin which is still in abundance around the entire world.

That's because the overwhelming majority of the world's population don't belong to Christ. There isn't, for instance, two billion plus people living in this Earth who are the Lord's. That would mean that two out of every six people you meet would be Christian, and the world would have an amazing opportunity to see how this life is lived out. Here's what Jesus said regarding this issue:

'Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.' Matthew 7: 21-23.

So there's actually people going around, claiming to be Christian and casting out devils, and they don't have an ounce of Jesus! It all comes back to whether or not you are living a life that is pleasing in the sight of the Lord, a life that he enabled you to live because you came to him.

 

[mkh4JC]

Animal sacrifice is an act of devotion, it can be either good or evil, depending on whom it is dedicated to. Hence animal sacrifices to false gods and idols is condemned, while if an animal sacrifice is dedicated to God alone it is a righteous act. Therefore, you cannot divorce the actual sacrifice to the intention behind it. God is extremely angered with people sacrificing animals to a pagan deity, but is pleased if the same animals is sacrificed in His Name! So when Jesus was supposedly "sacrificed" in whose Name was He sacrificed? That is our point, Jesus being put on the cross is not the same as an animal sacrifice, to believe so is quite absurd in my opinion.

It's not absurd when you consider the totality of scripture:

'Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

For he shall grow up before him as a tender planet, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth:
He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was there any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering to sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.' Isaiah 53: 1-12.

Christians believe Jesus was sacrificed for the benefit of all humanity, yet only a tiny fraction of humanity would be involved in actually sacrificing him.

You should really read Hebrews in the New Testament, as it addresses a lot of these issues and concerns. The point being it didn't matter that only a fraction of people were present during Christ's sacrifice, as his purpose was to die once and then to intercede on the behalf of human beings for all time. Just give the book a read if you ever get the chance.

I simply fail to see how the Bible mandating animal sacrifices dedicated to God on certain festivals and for certain circumstances is somehow foreshadowing the "sacrifice" of Jesus. An animal sacrifice is an act of piety, does this mean the people who tried to kill Jesus and rejected him as the messiah were acting piously?

Christ's sacrifice is the fulfillment of God's plan for redemption in the Old Testament, as I just showed by quoting passages in Isaiah.

The message of the Old testament is that all acts of devotion should be dedicated to God alone, and animal sacrifice is not unique to Jews, even the pagan practice it, but their sacrifices are dedicated to their "gods" instead of the One True God. They even sacrifice humans as mentioned in the Bible about the pagan deity molech.

I understand that. That still, however, does not change the fact that it was God himself who introduced blood sacrifce to the human race, as a means of atonement, and that the Quran completely disregards this.

 

[malayloveislam]

Sorry interrupting, I fthrough my limited knowledge found the nature of Trinity doctrine in Christianity almost resembling the nature of Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva of Hinduism. These three had been fractioned from a single Brahman, the Supreme Being. Brahma only effective when he is creating, and then he shifted himself to Vishnu as the preserver, loving and caring to his devotees, and being Shiva who destructs in the time of Kaliyuga (near the world being destructed).

And then again Krishna a person cum God in ancient time mentioned in Mahabharata had been the manifestation of Vishnu the preserver in order to salvate the human-being being crossed in non-vedic tradition and revered by Vaishnavis but acceptable by Hindu Orthodoxies.

Krishna had suffered on the cross to save mankind while in his body the God manifest himself (mentioned in Krita Yugah). Krishna then manifest as Arjuna who played in Kurukshetra war while Krishna Vasudeva himself had been advising Arjuna his own manifestation during the time of conflicts.

The Creator was divided into three to make it easy for the ancient pagan people understand the basic roles. And then come another avatars (manifestations and incarnations) until there are more than 8000000 gods or deities. Is that Trinity doctrine being sought from Hinduism since the Greeks too had entered India since before Christ or it is the idea of Christianity alone? Thanks and sorry again interrupting.

Wishing happy Ramadhan Mubarak to all Muslim brothers and sisters, may Allah bless all of us in this blessed month, Amin!

 

[coddles76]

That's because the overwhelming majority of the world's population don't belong to Christ. There isn't, for instance, two billion plus people living in this Earth who are the Lord's. That would mean that two out of every six people you meet would be Christian, and the world would have an amazing opportunity to see how this life is lived out. Here's what Jesus said regarding this issue:

'Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in they name? and in they name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.' Matthew 7: 21-23.

So there's actually people going around, claiming to be Christian and casting out devils, and they don't have an ounce of Jesus! It all comes back to whether or not you are living a life that is pleasing in the sight of the Lord, a life that he enabled you to live because you came to him.

Thankyou for your comments but you have not answered the main essence of the question. Here is the essence of the question again....
"How can God be the son, and at the same time be God himself who walked the earth then sacrificied himself on the cross for the sins of humans"?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.' Matthew 7: 21-23.

And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), but must believe in him ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), as only a Messenger of Allah and a human being],before his ['Iesa (Jesus) or a Jew's or a Christian's] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he ['Iesa (Jesus)] will be a witness against them (An-Nisa 4:159)

 

[mkh4JC]

Thankyou for your comments but you have not answered the main essence of the question. Here is the essence of the question again....
"How can God be the son, and at the same time be God himself who walked the earth then sacrificied himself on the cross for the sins of humans"?

I'm not a scholar. I'm actually a baby in Christ. But if God had a Son who existed from eternity to eternity alongside him, then his Son would be God too, right?

In terms of this...

And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), but must believe in him ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), as only a Messenger of Allah and a human being],before his ['Iesa (Jesus) or a Jew's or a Christian's] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he ['Iesa (Jesus)] will be a witness against them (An-Nisa 4:159)[/QUOTE]

As I showed, Jesus said those who profess to be his and yet practice iniquity would be the one's who he'd say he didn't know. He wouldn't say, 'I knew you but you backslid,' he would say, 'I never knew you period.' Jesus was talking about people who walk around and say they are Christian when they really don't have an ounce of him. It's also worth noting that if you as a Christian begin to confess that you don't know Christ or that he hasn't done anything personal for you (saved you from your sins) then he will profess before the Father that he doesn't know you.

 

[coddles76]

I'm not a scholar. I'm actually a baby in Christ. But if God had a Son who existed from eternity to eternity alongside him, then his Son would be God too, right?

In terms of this...

Ok so now we have another story....They are the same but two seperate entities working side by side.

And on the Day when We shall gather them all together, We shall say to those who joined partners in worship (with Us): "Where are your partners (false deities) whom you used to assert (as partners in worship with Allah)?" (Al-An'am 6:22)

And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), but must believe in him ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), as only a Messenger of Allah and a human being],before his ['Iesa (Jesus) or a Jew's or a Christian's] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he ['Iesa (Jesus)] will be a witness against them (An-Nisa 4:159)[/B

As I showed, Jesus said those who profess to be his and yet practice iniquity would be the one's who he'd say he didn't know. He wouldn't say, 'I knew you but you backslid,' he would say, 'I never knew you period.' Jesus was talking about people who walk around and say they are Christian when they really don't have an ounce of him. It's also worth noting that if you as a Christian begin to confess that you don't know Christ or that he hasn't done anything personal for you (saved you from your sins) then he will profess before the Father that he doesn't know you.

Jesus (PBUH) was simply saying in Mathew that I never preached what you are preaching and I never worshipped anybody beside the Almighty God. He will not be associating himself with these people and he will be informing them to depart from him who did not listen to his true preaching which was to Worship the ONE and only true god.
"Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord".(Mark 12:29)
"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God." (Mark 10:18).

 

[coddles76]

I'm not a scholar. I'm actually a baby in Christ. But if God had a Son who existed from eternity to eternity alongside him, then his Son would be God too, right?

In terms of this...

Ok so now we have another story....They are the same but two seperate entities working side by side.

And on the Day when We shall gather them all together, We shall say to those who joined partners in worship (with Us): "Where are your partners (false deities) whom you used to assert (as partners in worship with Allah)?" (Al-An'am 6:22)

And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), but must believe in him ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), as only a Messenger of Allah and a human being],before his ['Iesa (Jesus) or a Jew's or a Christian's] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he ['Iesa (Jesus)] will be a witness against them (An-Nisa 4:159)

As I showed, Jesus said those who profess to be his and yet practice iniquity would be the one's who he'd say he didn't know. He wouldn't say, 'I knew you but you backslid,' he would say, 'I never knew you period.' Jesus was talking about people who walk around and say they are Christian when they really don't have an ounce of him. It's also worth noting that if you as a Christian begin to confess that you don't know Christ or that he hasn't done anything personal for you (saved you from your sins) then he will profess before the Father that he doesn't know you.

Jesus (PBUH) was simply saying in Mathew that I never preached what you are preaching and I never worshipped anybody beside the Almighty God. He will not be associating himself with these people and he will be informing them to depart from him who did not listen to his true preaching which was to Worship the ONE and only true god.
"Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord".(Mark 12:29)
"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God." (Mark 10:18).

 

[mkh4JC]

Ok so now we have another story....They are the same but two seperate entities working side by side.

And on the Day when We shall gather them all together, We shall say to those who joined partners in worship (with Us): "Where are your partners (false deities) whom you used to assert (as partners in worship with Allah)?" (Al-An'am 6:22)

You misunderstand. I did not mean to imply the oft touted Islamic 'partners' with God, or that Jesus is a separate entity from God. They are both distinct but are still one. Here's what's in Saint John.

'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

...

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace a truth.' John 1: 1-4, 14.

Maybe a good illustration can be seen in the first chapter of Genesis 1:26 where God says let us make man in his image and likeness. Therefore: God=The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; human beings=the spirit, the soul, and the body. So God is triune in nature and still one, just as we are triune in nature and are still one.

Jesus (PBUH) was simply saying in Mathew that I never preached what you are preaching and I never worshipped anybody beside the Almighty God. He will not be associating himself with these people and he will be informing them to depart from him who did not listen to his true preaching which was to Worship the ONE and only true god.

Well, there are many people and witnesses that attest that Jesus is the Son of God throughout the New Testament. If you are considering the veracity of the matter you have many people attesting to this. Jesus himself said in the mouth of two or more witnesses every word shall be established (Matthew 18:16).