Concept of Hell

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czgibson said:
Greetings,

Thank you FS! So does this mean someone can answer my question now?



Peace
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Your only one problem is : the people can't hold the absolute truth. There is an entire theory which shows that. Regarding your question i can't answer because you are atheist. For you-in your eyes-the truth would be the non-existence of God. For me the truth would be there is God. See-but none of us is not able to prove it or not, because we are only humans.
 
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Greetings,
mara said:
Your only one problem is : the people can't hold the absolute truth. There is an entire theory which shows that. Regarding your question i can't answer because you are atheist. For you-in your eyes-the truth would be the non-existence of God. For me the truth would be there is God. See-but none of us is not able to prove it or not, because we are only humans.
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An interesting epistemological quandary, which I think you'll find my question neatly avoids: I'm asking if it's possible.

Peace
 
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czgibson said:
Greetings,


An interesting epistemological quandary, which I think you'll find my question neatly avoids: I'm asking if it's possible.

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I can search for the theory but they have right about truth. My answer its obvious: is not possible to be used by some people only to get some benefits from it.
 
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Hi.


I think that if a person can't grasp the idea that there is a God, and that God created this world - then they may not be able to grasp the idea of God creating another world after death.

If God can create us out of nothing, then surely God can bring life back to the dead - the same way plants come back to life after God provides them with water in rainfall.

However, atheists just have their mind set to this world only, and probably can't grasp the idea of the afterlife. But you have to ask yourself, are people just created without a purpose, in vain? Whenever anything is created by man, he creates it for a purpose (i.e. a computer etc), for a reason - but when the most knowledgable of creation i.e. man is asked for his purpose in life, he feels that all he has to do is wander around the world, gather up wealth and finally die without a purpose. Doesn't man think that there is something more superior than him? Won't every thing be responsible for his/her actions?

When any being is in danger, it wants something greater to protect it, and who can it seek refuge in? We as muslims believe that everything is already pre-destined, hence we seek refuge in God, because God created everything and therefore we turn to the One who is Greater in Power and Authority.


Throughout history, the message of God has been coming down and it is so widespread that nearly every religion that has come has promised a reward for the ones who believe and do good works (because of the good that they did in this world), and the ones that disbelieve and harm others will be punished for their actions respectively.


Your example of man creating the idea of hell and paradise and using it for authority can be true to an extent and to some individuals, but as you read the lives of the prophets that came before - what did they use their authority for? As you see their lives, you realise that most of the prophets lived in poverty and with the weak, why was this? If they only preferred honor and respect - wouldn't they want to live a luxurious lifestyle? They could have the most beautiful of wives, and enjoy everything that came to them, but why did they live a lifestyle like this?


It is obvious that man is created for a purpose, and God is the one who created every living thing - the ones that do good and believe will be rewarded, and those who reject God and do evil acts will be thrown into the hellfire. Each will get the reward that they desire, and if one takes the first step towards God - God will be pleased and will know that intention, hence God will guide them towards the truth insha'Allaah, as long as the person is sincere.



Allaah Almighty knows best.



Peace.
 
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I have a question for you, czgibson. Do you think it is possible that there is a hell?
 
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Greetings,
iLL_LeaT said:
I have a question for you, czgibson. Do you think it is possible that there is a hell?
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Good question. I suppose it's possible, but I think it's massively more likely that it was made up by humans.

Peace
 
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czgibson said:
Greetings,


Good question. I suppose it's possible, but I think it's massively more likely that it was made up by humans.

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Agreed

I find it interesting that there are so many different ways to define what is right and wrong, and if an individuals right differs from God’s, then they go to hell. There is no possible way to know 100% what God thinks is right or wrong. Some might say to look to their holy book. However, if we look at how differently people interpret these holy books, it is obvious that it is indeed impossible to say what God thinks is right or wrong. We have both Christians and Muslims who say it is better to love thy neighbor more then thyself, yet we have Christians who bomb abortion clinics and kill doctors who work at these clinics. And they actually have a very long history of killing. And then we have the militant Islamic groups that also kill in the name of God. And these people use there holy book to justify these actions.

The interpretation of anything can go an infinite number of ways. In fact, an ordinal message of something is almost never comprehended.

Who’s right is right? Militant activists (I hope not) or the peaceful people that say love is the best way. There is no way to know 100%

This is of course assuming that there is a God, and there actually is a right or wrong other then what humans think is right and wrong.

Now let’s assume that there is no real right or wrong, just laws made by humans. How does someone convince another there way of doing things is more correct then the others? Fear? Fear is the easiest way to get control, and hell is definitely something to fear.

Then again, without the fear of hell (or any kind of consequences for some actions) where would our world be?

I would like to say that even though I am without a religion, I still have a since of right and wrong. But my since of right and wrong probably comes from laws that were founded by Christian beliefs, so what I believe to be right and wrong may be influenced by the fear of hell. So without the fear of hell, where would humanity be?
 
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czgibson said:
Greetings,

Could it be possible that hell is a fiction invented by humans in order to scare other humans into following orders?

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Weird question.

Well i guess for you, it obviously is isnt it? You dont even believe in God so how can you believe in hell? So in your mind, hell is a made up concept.

For the rest of us- Muslims and christains too i guess, hell is reality, we dont believe humans made it up, we believe God created it and warned us about it. Why do we believe in hell? Becuase we want to? Becuase it makes sense that there should be a massive place of an eternal raging fire where evil people whille be thrown? No. Becuase we believe in God. So really what your question is based on is having faith in God.

So, for those of us who follow a religion which includes the concept of hell, God told us about hell, we didnt make it up. For the rest of you, it is probably a man-made idea.
 
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czgibson said:
Greetings,


Good question. I suppose it's possible, but I think it's massively more likely that it was made up by humans.

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Interesting, but not surprising.
Can you tell me what evidence you base this decision on? What makes you think that?

Peace
 
Could it be possible that hell is a fiction invented by humans in order to scare other humans into following orders? The descriptions given above are clearly human projections of human fears, and nothing more
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Errrrrrrr......No it cudnt be possible... :rollseyes
 
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glo said:
Interesting, but not surprising.
Can you tell me what evidence you base this decision on? What makes you think that?

Peace
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:peace:

mind if i answer this one?

*clears throat*

HE DOESNT BELIEVE IN GOD :giggling:

lol, u see a structure of a building, an amazing car, a grand piece of art and u wonder who made it... You look at the world, you luk at the stars... dont u wonder?

:peace:
 
maybe someone that is knowledgeable can post the concept of hell and heaven base from al-quran and sunnah.

It'll remind us to be a better muslims...
 
lol, u see a structure of a building, an amazing car, a grand piece of art and u wonder who made it... You look at the world, you luk at the stars... dont u wonder?
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I wonder.......upon a star.....that it just came by.....chance!

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Feeling pain through temperature is strictly a survival mechanism, and probably a feeling of the flesh.
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It is evident to me that you havent read the Quran.

This is why Allah says;

(As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise. [Surah Nisa Ayah 56]
 
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Abd'Majid said:
:peace:

mind if i answer this one?

*clears throat*

HE DOESNT BELIEVE IN GOD :giggling:

lol, u see a structure of a building, an amazing car, a grand piece of art and u wonder who made it... You look at the world, you luk at the stars... dont u wonder?

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I hope my question to czginson did not sound sarcastic - because it wasn't meant that way!

In czgibson's statement hell is 'massively more likely to have been made up by humans than to be real'. That sounds like ... what? ... 80%, 90% for the non-existence of hell?
In my experience atheists don't make such statements lightly. Not like us 'believers' who plainly declare something to be true, simply because the Qur'an/Bible tells us so!

My question was very genuine. What makes czgibson so (relatively) certain that hell does not exist?

Peace.
 
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glo said:
I hope my question to czginson did not sound sarcastic - because it wasn't meant that way!

In czgibson's statement hell is 'massively more likely to have been made up by humans than to be real'. That sounds like ... what? ... 80%, 90% for the non-existence of hell?
In my experience atheists don't make such statements lightly. Not like us 'believers' who plainly declare something to be true, simply because the Qur'an/Bible tells us so!

My question was very genuine. What makes czgibson so (relatively) certain that hell does not exist?

Peace.
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:peace:

I dont mean to sound rude sis but dont you have to believe in the All-mighty to believe there is a heaven or hell to get to? :?

:peace:
 
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Yup, i agree. If disbelievers of God don't even accept that there is a God, they don't believe theres a higher authority to tell the difference between right and wrong - hence they don't believe that people are sinful, so they don't believe that there is any form of punishment and reward in the afterlife (yet alone an afterlife.)


Allaah Almighty knows best.


Peace.
 
Re: Ice Hell

Greetings,

glo said:
Interesting, but not surprising.
Can you tell me what evidence you base this decision on? What makes you think that?
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It's difficult to have evidence of the non-existence of something, but essentially I feel the same way about hell as I do about god. They are both parts of the system of social control called theistic religion, with god as the enforcer of the moral code and hell as the punishment for breaking that code.

There are several reasons why I believe these things are made up by humans. One of them is the human predilection for making up stories. Another is the natural human desire to explain things which are not well understood. Also, the fact that hell has never been directly observed or experienced by anybody who we can contact makes it very doubtful that it is an actual place. I would also say that the concept of hell strikes many atheists as being a primitive idea, particularly the more physical that descriptions of it become. It is interesting to note that Christian belief in hell as a physical reality is in decline among laypersons, whereas belief in heaven does not seem to be declining so rapidly.

My understanding of the development of theistic religion is strongly influenced by Emile Durkheim, as I've explained in a number of threads.

Peace
 

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