Concept of Hell

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Abd'Majid said:
:peace:

what makes u do good? What gives you that sence of right and wrong? Can you explain it?

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You know, I have thought about that question before, and I’m not 100% sure. Well, for one, I think humans have a natural since of right and wrong. Furthermore, I think that people truly try to always do the right thing. But if my moral status came from anywhere but myself, it most likely came from my government and its laws. Incidentally, my government was founded by Christian morals, so I probably get my morals from the Christians. And yes – Christian morals are upheld by the fear of hell, so hidden deep in my moral beliefs is the fear of hell, even though I don’t see it.

But who knows, you know?
 
iLL_LeaT said:
You know, I have thought about that question before, and I’m not 100% sure. Well, for one, I think humans have a natural since of right and wrong. Furthermore, I think that people truly try to always do the right thing. But if my moral status came from anywhere but myself, it most likely came from my government and its laws. Incidentally, my government was founded by Christian morals, so I probably get my morals from the Christians. And yes – Christian morals are upheld by the fear of hell, so hidden deep in my moral beliefs is the fear of hell, even though I don’t see it.

But who know, you know?
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:peace:

You wont accept wat i believe to know, I think the more sins you commit the worser of a person you become, the more good deeds you do, the better of a person you become. I also reckon wivout the influence of God, you have no chance of being good (i mean wivout his permission).

:peace:
 
iLL_LeaT said:
Furthermore, I think that people truly try to always do the right thing. ?
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:peace:

i disagree with this, If people always tried to do the right thing the world would be a good place, some poeple are so use to the wrong that they just "LIKE" to do the wrong thing.. it seems normal! For example i think dating, and fornication is disgusting and wrong but you may not! You may see it as natural


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Abd'Majid said:
i disagree with this, If people always tried to do the right thing the world would be a good place, some poeple are so use to the wrong that they just "LIKE" to do the wrong thing.. it seems normal! For example i think dating, and fornication is disgusting and wrong but you may not! You may see it as natural
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Here is a question. Because I think it is okay for people to date (I don’t know what you think “dating” is, but to me it is meeting people to figure out if they are compatible life partners), when I die and am judged by Allah, will I go to hell for doing what I think is normal?

I have heard many people claim that Allah’s judgment is on an individual basis. Maybe dating would be okay for me, but not you, maybe?
 
iLL_LeaT said:
Here is a question. Because I think it is okay for people to date (I don’t know what you think “dating” is, but to me it is meeting people to figure out if they are compatible life partners), when I die and am judged by Allah, will I go to hell for doing what I think is normal?

I have heard many people claim that Allah’s judgment is on an individual basis. Maybe dating would be okay for me, but not you, maybe?
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:peace:

theres a requirement to get into heaven:

Verily Man is in loss Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy.

you need faith (to believe in Allah, you need to do righteous deeds, you need to preach the truth, and you need patience and all this needs to be constant!!!

Unless you meet that requirement, Allah knows best of how you will judged...

:peace:
 
Abd'Majid said:
:peace:

theres a requirement to get into heaven:

Verily Man is in loss Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy.

you need faith (to believe in Allah, you need to do righteous deeds, you need to preach the truth, and you need patience and all this needs to be constant!!!

Unless you meet that requirement, Allah knows best of how you will judged...

:peace:
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I’m confused

So, if I met those requirements, I get into heaven. And if I don’t… then it is up to Allah.

So does that mean that if I don’t fallow the Islamic ideology, I may still get into heaven, or is that just a nice way of saying I’m going to hell?
 
iLL_LeaT said:
I’m confused

So, if I met those requirements, I get into heaven. And if I don’t… then it is up to Allah.

So does that mean that if I don’t fallow the Islamic ideology, I may still get into heaven, or is that just a nice way of saying I’m going to hell?
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:peace:


What i meant by "it is up2 Allah" is its up to him how he will punish you... cos you certainly aint getting into heaven if you dont meet that requirement "GULP".

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Abd'Majid said:
What i meant by "it is up2 Allah" is its up to him how he will punish you... cos you certainly aint getting into heaven if you dont meet that requirement "GULP".
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Still confused

So is there anything besides hell and heaven? If it is up to him how I will be punished, and I don’t go to hell, then what. Do I spend every other Thursday in hell, or something?

I’m sorry if I sound stupid, I just want to understand.
 
Abd'Majid said:
No, its sence of right and wrong which prevents everyone from doing bad deeds! For example, at work i do all the heavy lifting coz the ladies cant, even if they were to offer i wouldnt feel right letting them (sence!!).
BUT the difference is i think that this sence of right and wrong is spiritually influenced.... Well thats what i think :).

For example how would you term someone very cruel to his parents? "Evil" right? Whats Evil? Someone who Sins a lot right? What are sins?

Sin - A transgression of a religious or moral law, especially when deliberate.

Doesnt it seem spiritually influenced :D

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good question! i think we have an innate knowledge of good and bad, but i don't know where it comes from. it could be spiritual. i wasn't raised in any religion so it doesn't come from any religious moral code.
i try not to do bad stuff for selfish reasons - i like to feel good about myself and when i do something wrong, i feel bad.
the other thing is that it just seems like common sense not to do anything to anyone that you wouldn't want them to do to you.
 
iLL_LeaT said:
Still confused

So is there anything besides hell and heaven? If it is up to him how I will be punished, and I don’t go to hell, then what. Do I spend every other Thursday in hell, or something?

I’m sorry if I sound stupid, I just want to understand.
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:peace:

Sry for the late reply!

Well unfortunately theres only two options, you either go to heaven or hell. What i meant is its up2 him how he punishes you is theres levels of punishment, theres 8 hells i believe and 7 heavens.... someone plz correct me if im wrong.

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snakelegs said:
i try not to do bad stuff for selfish reasons - i like to feel good about myself and when i do something wrong, i feel bad.
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:peace:

Havent you ever wondered what it is that actually puts these feelings inside you? Or do you think science will be able to explain it?

:peace:
 
The biggest sin a person can ever commit is that they worship others besides their Creator, and their Creator is God - Allaah.

No matter how good the person is, and even if the person does believe there is a higher Being i.e. God - they still have to believe in Laa illaaha illAllaah (there is none worthy of worship except God/Allaah (alone.)) And this message has always been the message since the beginning of mankind, and every messenger that came told the people to follow this, but man kept going astray.


Believing that no-one is worthy of worship except Allaah means that people have to give up other deities besides God (i.e. idols, humans i.e. Jesus [peace be upon him], or even a form of law besides the law of God, which may be taking the laws of someone who governs in a way that opposes the commandments of God in the Qur'an [the speech of God] and Sunnah [ways of God's messenger])

If a person takes these ideoligies as a way of life instead of submitting themselves to God (i.e. muslim means submitter and islam means submission) - they may be taking others as associates with God because they are accepting a man made law instead of the divine law which God revealed to mankind in the Qur'an and Sunnah.


Therefore, the above example may be a form associating partners with God and the person may be commiting the biggest sin that ever exists - & that is associating others as partners with God, because the person feels that the man made law is superior to the law of God, and this is why they may be following it.


If a person believes in the above two examples, then they also have to believe in Allaah Almighty and His Attributes (Asma - wal-Sifaa.) This is believing in Allaah being the Perfect Being, and believing in the meanings of the names of Allaah which are mentioned in the Qur'an i.e.



If one grasps these 3 ideas of Tawheed (the Oneness of God) - then they have believed in Laaillaaha illAllaah (there is none worthy of worship except Allaah.) And hence they should believe that the Qur'an is the word of God, and Muhammad (peace be upon him) is God's/Allaah Almighty's final messenger.

If the person believes this and obeys Allaah in this, then they are muslim (submitters) to God. However this is just a small summary, so you may want to ask for more info. if you're interested.


Allaah Almighty knows best.


If theres any mistakes, its from myself and my sins - all good comes from Allaah Almighty.


Peace.
 
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Abd'Majid said:
theres a requirement to get into heaven:

Verily Man is in loss Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy.

you need faith (to believe in Allah, you need to do righteous deeds, you need to preach the truth, and you need patience and all this needs to be constant!!!

Unless you meet that requirement, Allah knows best of how you will judged.../QUOTE]

Requirements to get into heaven.. according to Muslims, according to Christians, according to Jews, according to...anyone else who would like to give their understanding to it... I started a new thread to discuss this very thing. Go to it and post your ideas on the subject:
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/24114-what-must-i-do-believe-go-heaven.html

Peace
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iLL_LeaT said:
Still confused

So is there anything besides hell and heaven? If it is up to him how I will be punished, and I don’t go to hell, then what. Do I spend every other Thursday in hell, or something?

I’m sorry if I sound stupid, I just want to understand.
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If u do not believe in Allah u go to hell...simple as.
 
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tilmeez-ullah said:
absolutely not. Allah promises hell for the non-belivers, an he is the best at fulfilling his promises.
This is the point where asking too many questions becomes harmful, brother
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This sums up what religion is all about FEAR
There is no hell to fear or heaven to enter
 
Hi yoke.


You might have realised that Allaah Almighty threatens mankind of hellfire if they disobey Him, and this is why people are afraid to disobey God. What's the point of having a God who lets you do whatever evil you want in this world, then giving you paradise in return for it?

At the same time, those who don't want to do evil and want to obey Allaah Almighty - they will be rewarded equally for it. And if you feel that Allaah Almighty is evil for threatening mankind - then just think about it, Allaah could easily threaten you of hellfire and not reward anyone with paradise either.


If you feel that there is no afterlife, its upto you to believe that - but realise that you have no knowledge of what will happen to you after you die, by then its too late, and theres no turning back. You have your temporary life right now, and this is why we're here - to obey Allaah Almighty alone. If we do this, then we are promised an eternal paradise insha'Allaah (God willing.)

No matter how hard you try turning away from death - it will come to you no matter where you are. So please think deep before its too late, and there is no turning back. Because those who reject their Creator - are promished hellfire forever, whereas those who obey Allaah Almighty in this temporary world and die in that state are promised paradise forever.


Allaah Almighty knows best.


Peace.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Hi yoke. You might have realised that Allaah Almighty threatens mankind of hellfire if they disobey Him, and this is why people are afraid to disobey God. What's the point of having a God who lets you do whatever evil you want in this world, then giving you paradise in return for it?

At the same time, those who don't want to do evil and want to obey Allaah Almighty - they will be rewarded equally for it. And if you feel that Allaah Almighty is evil for threatening mankind - then just think about it, Allaah could easily threaten you of hellfire and not reward anyone with paradise either.

If you feel that there is no afterlife, its upto you to believe that - but realise that you have no knowledge of what will happen to you after you die, by then its too late, and theres no turning back. You have your temporary life right now, and this is why we're here - to obey Allaah Almighty alone. If we do this, then we are promised an eternal paradise insha'Allaah (God willing.)

No matter how hard you try turning away from death - it will come to you no matter where you are. So please think deep before its too late, and there is no turning back. Because those who reject their Creator - are promished hellfire forever, whereas those who obey Allaah Almighty in this temporary world and die in that state are promised paradise forever.
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Please come and put these thoughts in the new thread I started at:
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/24114-what-must-i-do-believe-go-heaven.html

I want to get at least 10 or 20 posts there before I make any comments there myself.

Peace
 
Do not fear there is no hell
Even if there was i would rather go there than worship an evil dictator god.
 
yoke said:
Do not fear there is no hell
Even if there was i would rather go there than worship an evil dictator god.
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Interesting thought. Even more interesting is I agree with you. I would not worship an evil dictator god either.



Fortunatly, Allah(swt) has not revealed himself to be an evil dictator God, and I am very comfortable to worship Him(swt) and seek to avoid the evil dictator shaitan who, does rule over hell.
 
Greetings,
Woodrow said:
Fortunatly, Allah(swt) has not revealed himself to be an evil dictator God, and I am very comfortable to worship Him(swt) and seek to avoid the evil dictator shaitan who, does rule over hell.
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Allah does dictate quite a lot though, doesn't he? Is there any religion filled with more rules, prohibitions and warnings than Islam?

Peace
 

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