Confused: Jihad and other questions

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EgyptPrincess said:
If a kufr insults Islam he is insulting Allah swt and he will face the harshest of punishments of which we cannot imagine. Of course when someone insults us personally or our lord, we will become angry but there is greater progress in dialogue than in violence.

I can't say I have had much experience with insults, I once got called a rag head lol but so what? I laugh it off. It is me who will be having the last laugh when are dropped into Jahannam. When I was called a rag head I think I said to him "pee off you dirty chav" lol. Should I have said this? I don't know, I am just letting him know that I am not going to stand by and be insulted. So personally for me defend yourself with words by all means but try to keep them halal.

Anger is a very tough emotion to control and Inshallah we will be rewarded every time we suppress our anger. If someone grabs your thobe or hijab then you have every right to physically defend yourself and I would encourage everyone here to do just that. If someone "attacks" you, verbally or physically then of course you don't have to be kind to them lol... but you also don't have to harm them.

Are you naturally a violent person? Take up boxing, then you can punch all the kufr that you want ;D just don't make friends with them. Be [friendly] to them, but don't become [friends] with them.

To be honest I'm really not the best person to be helping you brother. I have many of my own anger problems and things to sort out. Inshallah you understand the message I am trying to convey in my advice. Also try to watch more Islamic videos on peace and forgiveness rather than fighting and wars...
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He should get a punching bag and write "kuffar" on it and everytime he gets angry he can punch it to death [emoji23]
 
I guess I am way too naive. Yeah, I do understand that talking and being with kuffar is idle chit chat.. I assume it is mostly about girls, or what next movie comes out.. I feel so imprisoned sometimes.

Anyways, sometimes when I intend to be nice an ayat pops up in my mind saying:

Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers. 60:9

The ayat:

Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. 60:8

Now, correct me if I am wrong, those who mock you, etc. you have to ignore them etc. or repel their evil with what is better.

Am I right in having this mindset "whatever is best to do in the moment, that will have best outcome, take it!" or something. I like to use my head, and determine whether I should be kind or not..

But then ayats come up (rephrasing) "you can't love them" but to the ones who attack us, can we be kind?

I mean, there is a difference between loving a kafir, and feeling sorry. I have more of a 'feeling sorry' feeling. Unless they cross the limit.

In shaa' Allah you get what I mean. And Allah SWT knows best.
 
No, I am not a violent person, never was (sometimes I got angry and yeah.. flipped off. but that was rare. There was once I did so.) <br><br>Ayat 60:8 - 9 and some other ayats about being harsh with the kuffar pop up whenever I try to do some good. And I then feel like I am at conflict with the Quran ....<br><br>May Allah SWT heal me. Ameen.

I've almost always been calm, etc. But hated when I was played around with.. So got angry a couple of times lol.
 
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Serinity said:
I guess I am way too naive. Yeah, I do understand that talking and being with kuffar is idle chit chat.. I assume it is mostly about girls, or what next movie comes out.. I feel so imprisoned sometimes.

Anyways, sometimes when I intend to be nice an ayat pops up in my mind saying:

Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers. 60:9

The ayat:

Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. 60:8

Now, correct me if I am wrong, those who mock you, etc. you have to ignore them etc. or repel their evil with what is better.

Am I right in having this mindset "whatever is best to do in the moment, that will have best outcome, take it!" or something. I like to use my head, and determine whether I should be kind or not..

But then ayats come up (rephrasing) "you can't love them" but to the ones who attack us, can we be kind?

I mean, there is a difference between loving a kafir, and feeling sorry. I have more of a 'feeling sorry' feeling. Unless they cross the limit.

In shaa' Allah you get what I mean. And Allah SWT knows best.
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The kuffar here (not all) are NOT attacking you lol
Those verses are for when you are at war with them, they those specific people are not fighting you bcoz of islam they are not trying to get you out your house, they are just going on about their daily lives like you

When they act kind to you repay the favour by being kind back, be kind and a nice person in general, even giving people smiles is a form of charity.

When they attack you to harm or kill you or your family or another believe.. you defend yourself or them (no you do not be kind, im sure you wouldnt be kind to a seriel killer trying to kill you)

Yesss whatever is best for that moment or situation, you in sha Allah have to be able to asses what is the best action or lack of action to take without trangressing the limits


In sha Allah you understand

Serinity said:
I guess I am way too naive. Yeah, I do understand that talking and being with kuffar is idle chit chat.. I assume it is mostly about girls, or what next movie comes out.. I feel so imprisoned sometimes.

Anyways, sometimes when I intend to be nice an ayat pops up in my mind saying:

Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers. 60:9

The ayat:

Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. 60:8

Now, correct me if I am wrong, those who mock you, etc. you have to ignore them etc. or repel their evil with what is better.

Am I right in having this mindset "whatever is best to do in the moment, that will have best outcome, take it!" or something. I like to use my head, and determine whether I should be kind or not..

But then ayats come up (rephrasing) "you can't love them" but to the ones who attack us, can we be kind?

I mean, there is a difference between loving a kafir, and feeling sorry. I have more of a 'feeling sorry' feeling. Unless they cross the limit.

In shaa' Allah you get what I mean. And Allah SWT knows best.
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I guess I am confusing ayats for times of war with my day to day situation.. :/Poor me. imsad

Ya Allah SWT grant me understanding. Ameen.
 
Serinity said:
I guess I am confusing ayats for times of war with my day to day situation.. :/Poor me. imsad
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Alhamdulilah Brother its ok we all make mistakes, and its better we realise our mistakes sooner than later and learn from them..
Your not the first and certainly will not be the last,

Alhamdulilah now you know better in sha Allah
Keep watching islamic lectures on these topics or even get a book of tasfir and it will explain every ayat giving the context, why it came down, when, and when it is to be used
 
Serinity said:
No, I am not a violent person, never was (sometimes I got angry and yeah.. flipped off. but that was rare. There was once I did so.) <br><br>Ayat 60:8 - 9 and some other ayats about being harsh with the kuffar pop up whenever I try to do some good. And I then feel like I am at conflict with the Quran ....<br><br>May Allah SWT heal me. Ameen.

I've almost always been calm, etc. But hated when I was played around with.. So got angry a couple of times lol.
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Can you give a real world example of where you tried to do good and something negative happened? I once bought a homeless man a sandwich and gave it to him and he told me he would rather eat food the bin then from the hand of a muslim... this really made me upset, not upset because he rejected my food, but because his heart is fractured and filled with ignorance and hatred. I just threw it to him and walked away, I don't know if he ended up eating it.

bottom line brother is this is life.. expect to have some people swear at you, expect to get insulted and expect even the prophet s.a.w and Allah swt to be insulted. How you react to these insults is what defines you. Will you act like the kufr and starting swearing and trying to fight him? Or will you accept that he is delusional and make dua that Inshallah he is guided.
 
muslimah_B said:
Alhamdulilah Brother its ok we all make mistakes, and its better we realise our mistakes sooner than later and learn from them..
Your not the first and certainly will not be the last,

Alhamdulilah now you know better in sha Allah
Keep watching islamic lectures on these topics or even get a book of tasfir and it will explain every ayat giving the context, why it came down, when, and when it is to be used
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Yeah, I will try to be the most moral person. :P After all the Inhabitants of Jannah are those with GOOD character.

my relatives says to use the logic Allah SWT gave you.
 
Ibn Taymiyyah said:"The declaration of faith requires you to love only for the sake of Allah,to hate only for the sake of Allah, to ally yourself only for the sake of Allah, to declare enmity only for the sake of Allah; it requires you love what
Allah loves and to hate what Allah hates."


22. You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, making friendship with those whooppose Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), even though they were their fathers,or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred (people). For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with Ruh (proofs,light and true guidance) from Himself. And We will admit them to Gardens(Paradise) under which rivers flow, to dwell therein (forever). Allah is pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Verily, it is the Party of Allah that will be the successful. (Surah Al-Muja'dilah)

4. Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibrahim (Abraham) and those with him, when they said to their people: "Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred for ever, until you believe in Allah Alone," except the saying of Ibrahim (Abraham) to his father:"Verily, I will ask for forgiveness (from Allah) for you, but I have no power to do anything for you before Allah ." Our Lord! In You (Alone) we put our trust, and to You (Alone) we turn in repentance, and to You (Alone) is(our) final Return. (Surah Al-Muntahinah)


1. O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies(i.e. disbelievers and polytheists, etc.) as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth (i.e.Islamic Monotheism, this Qur'an, and Muhammad.) (Surah Al-Mumtahinah)


Ibn Taymiyah said:"The obligation of the believer is to choose both his friends and his enemies for the sake of Allah. Whenever there are believers, he must ally himself with them, even if they have wronged him, since no personal offense can absorb one of the obligations of alliance and faith. Allah has said:


9. And if two parties or groups among the believers fall to fighting, then make peace between them both, but if one of them rebels against the other, then fight you (all) against the one that which rebels till it complies with the Command of Allah; then if it complies, then make reconciliation between them justly, and be equitable. Verily! Allah loves those who are equitable.

10. The believers are nothing else than brothers (in Islamic religion). So make reconciliation between your brothers, and fear Allah, that you may receive mercy. (SurahAl-Hujurat)


"Allah has made them brothers, despite their fighting and rebellion towards one another, and has commanded their reconciliation. So the believer should reflect upon the fact that he owes his loyalty to his brother, even if he has one been wronged by him or finds that he is his adversary and that the disbeliever is his enemy,even if he is kindly treated by him and respected. Allah sent His Messengers and revealed His Books in order that all religion should be devoted to Him,alone; therefore, love should only be for those who are loyal to Him and anger for His enemies. Respect and honor are for His friends, while degradation and humiliation are for His foes. This explains the behavior of the first generations of Muslims who, despite their fighting with one another, allied themselves together in religion, it did not oppose one another in the same way that they opposed the disbelievers. They accepted one another's testimony,intermarried and inherited from each other. They acted with one another as Muslims even though the fight each other, scorned one another and more."


 
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EgyptPrincess said:
Can you give a real world example of where you tried to do good and something negative happened? I once bought a homeless man a sandwich and gave it to him and he told me he would rather eat food the bin then from the hand of a muslim... this really made me upset, not upset because he rejected my food, but because his heart is fractured and filled with ignorance and hatred. I just threw it to him and walked away, I don't know if he ended up eating it.

bottom line brother is this is life.. expect to have some people swear at you, expect to get insulted and expect even the prophet s.a.w and Allah swt to be insulted. How you react to these insults is what defines you. Will you act like the kufr and starting swearing and trying to fight him? Or will you accept that he is delusional and make dua that Inshallah he is guided.
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I will do what the Prophet SAW said and just do dua to Allah SWT to guide them, but even when they insult my Prophet Muhammad SAW? That is pretty hard.

But I know The Prophet SAW was always kind, etc. and the command for Jihad etc. Was only when they were an established state. On your own you have to restrain yourself and be as good as you can. Something like issuing Jihad is for the Ulama, something we have no right to issue.

Imagine laymen issue Jihad here and there based on emotions? Anyways. Remember we have a right to fight back but it should be minimal, (i.e. no transgression or aggression)

In shaa' Allah what I said was Islamic. So I will just say "Peace" to the ignorant.
 
Serinity said:
I will do what the Prophet SAW said and just do dua to Allah SWT to guide them, but even when they insult my Prophet Muhammad SAW? That is pretty hard.

But I know The Prophet SAW was always kind, etc. and the command for Jihad etc. Was only when they were an established state. On your own you have to restrain yourself and be as good as you can. Something like issuing Jihad is for the Ulama, something we have no right to issue.

Imagine laymen issue Jihad here and there based on emotions? Anyways. Remember we have a right to fight back but it should be minimal, (i.e. no transgression or aggression)

In shaa' Allah what I said was Islamic. So I will just say "Peace" to the ignorant.
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Sometimes when they insult him (s.a.w) you can actually challenge their views if you are able to debate and spread knowledge through that way...
But its just down to your judgement if they are just looking for a fight or actually want to conversate but have no idea how to
Just use your best judgement on how to deal with people in sha Allah
 
noraina said:
That term, al wala wal bara, loving and hating for the sake of Allah swt, is an extremely broad term. It applies to practically everything, we should hold fast to all that that is pleasing to Allah swt, and withdrawing from all that which is displeasing to Him.

In terms of jihad, if you read through the conditions of jihad which are closely regulated by Shariah law, then we are only allowed to attack others when we are being attacked or in fear of it. Islam is an extremely merciful religion, to kill anyone for no reason is a grave sin, however it is also a practical deen so pacifism wouldn't do, so we are only allowed to take part in war through self-defence. And even then, we are forbidden from killing non-combatants, or monks, or women, children and the elderly...there are so many strict guidelines regarding jihad subhanAllah.

As for how we should be with non-Muslims, the Qur'an uses the term awliya when cautioning us, this word has many levels of meanings and in this context I read some scholars say means a very, very close friend or teacher or guardian, whom we would take spiritual advice from - which should obviously only be from a Muslim. The Prophet (pbuh) was very polite and merciful when with non-Muslims - if we had no contact with them then how on earth would we be able to give dawah for our beautiful religion?

The Qur'anic ayats need to be taken into context - context is very important. Islam is a religion of mercy and compassion, we must be compassionate to even birds and creatures let alone other humans, unfortunately it is portrayed often as a religion of jihad and warfare. We should be focusing more in the greater Jihad inshaAllah, any desires and flaws we see within ourselves.

I'm not a scholar obviously, just a lay person, but I remember reading an article on this - inshaAllah I'll try and find it to give a more scholarly review.
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A good 3 volume book on Wala and Bara is called: "Al-Wala'Wa'l-Bara According to the Aqeedah of the Salaf" by Muhammad Saeed al-Qahtani You might find a pdf version of it online.

Jihad is also a offensive jihad according to the Sahaba and to the rest of the righteous predecessors. The Prophet at the end of his life took the fight to the Romans in the Expedition of Tabuk. The Sahaba after the Prophet s.a.a.w took the fight further to the Persians and Romans, North Africa and Russian Caucus. The purpose of Jihad to make the whole earth under the Law of Allah. Waiting for the disbelievers to attack to wage Jihad is illogical to this concept and the early Muslims understood this.

Yes the Quranic ayats need to be taken into context. That is why those ayats that were revealed later towards the end of the Prophets mission were mostly about the establishment of the State, ahkam (law), wala and bara, huduud (punishments), and jihad which would guide the Ummah on until the Day of Judgement.

This "greater Jihad" concept is flawed and has no merit because it is based on the weak hadith, "we have come back from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad." Scholars of hadith have declared its weakness throughout history. This is a hadith that the Sufi's like to repeat ad nauseum to give their innovations credibility.
 
Misbah0411 said:
A good 3 volume book on Wala and Bara is called: "Al-Wala'Wa'l-Bara According to the Aqeedah of the Salaf" by Muhammad Saeed al-Qahtani You might find a pdf version of it online.

Jihad is also a offensive jihad according to the Sahaba and to the rest of the righteous predecessors. The Prophet at the end of his life took the fight to the Romans in the Expedition of Tabuk. The Sahaba after the Prophet s.a.a.w took the fight further to the Persians and Romans, North Africa and Russian Caucus. The purpose of Jihad to make the whole earth under the Law of Allah. Waiting for the disbelievers to attack to wage Jihad is illogical to this concept and the early Muslims understood this.

Yes the Quranic ayats need to be taken into context. That is why those ayats that were revealed later towards the end of the Prophets mission were mostly about the establishment of the State, ahkam (law), wala and bara, huduud (punishments), and jihad which would guide the Ummah on until the Day of Judgement.

This "greater Jihad" concept is flawed and has no merit because it is based on the weak hadith, "we have come back from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad." Scholars of hadith have declared its weakness throughout history. This is a hadith that the Sufi's like to repeat ad nauseum to give their innovations credibility.
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https://islamqa.info/en/10455
 
Misbah0411 said:
Thank you for reiterating that it is a weak hadith.
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Alhamdulilah no problem :)
But please post some evidences in sha Allah to help the brother and anyone else reading so they can see its not your opinion but facts in sha Allah

(I dont know about the "offensive jihad" and wether it is a valid form of jihad so i havent spoken on it)
 
muslimah_B said:
Brother i meant could you post about the "offensive jihad"

Alhamdulilah I already knew the hadeeth was weak, i was just posting evidence for you so that everyone for themselves could clarify it was weak
In sha Allah people may benifit from both
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Sister, read the Seerah of the Prophet s.a.a.w. and also the History of Islam under the Righteous Caliphs. From Salamah Ibn Nufayl Al-Kindi r.a., who said just after the conquest of Mecca:

I was sitting with the Messenger of Allah s.a.a.w., then a man said, 'O Messenger of Allah! The people have insulted their horses (by not using them to fight), and laid down the weapons and they said, 'There is no more jihad. The war has laid down its burden.' So the Messenger of Allah s.a.a.w. said: 'They have lied! Now the time for fighting has arrived! And there will never cease to be a nation from my Ummah fighting upon the Truth. And Allah will deviate the hearts of some people for them, and provide for them through them (spoils of war), until the Hour is established and until the Promise of Allah comes. Good shall remain tied in the forelock of horses until the Day of Resurrection. And it is revealed to me that I will be taken (in death) and not remain, and you will follow up after me as groups, some striking the necks of others. And the foundation of the state of the believers is in Ash-Sham.' " Sahih Hadith narrated by An-Nasai'i and others

The Messenger of Allah said: "There will not cease to exist from my Ummah fighting upon the command of Allah, subjugating their enemies. They will not be harmed by those who oppose them or those who abandon them." (Bukhari and Muslim)
 
Misbah0411 said:
Sister, read the Seerah of the Prophet s.a.a.w. and also the History of Islam under the Righteous Caliphs. From Salamah Ibn Nufayl Al-Kindi r.a., who said just after the conquest of Mecca:

I was sitting with the Messenger of Allah s.a.a.w., then a man said, 'O Messenger of Allah! The people have insulted their horses (by not using them to fight), and laid down the weapons and they said, 'There is no more jihad. The war has laid down its burden.' So the Messenger of Allah s.a.a.w. said: 'They have lied! Now the time for fighting has arrived! And there will never cease to be a nation from my Ummah fighting upon the Truth. And Allah will deviate the hearts of some people for them, and provide for them through them (spoils of war), until the Hour is established and until the Promise of Allah comes. Good shall remain tied in the forelock of horses until the Day of Resurrection. And it is revealed to me that I will be taken (in death) and not remain, and you will follow up after me as groups, some striking the necks of others. And the foundation of the state of the believers is in Ash-Sham.' " Sahih Hadith narrated by An-Nasai'i and others

The Messenger of Allah said: "There will not cease to exist from my Ummah fighting upon the command of Allah, subjugating their enemies. They will not be harmed by those who oppose them or those who abandon them." (Bukhari and Muslim)
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Alhamdulilah, one of my classes was covering the seerah but i missed quite a few classes so maybe i missed when the wars where talked about..
so in sha Allah will have to read "the sealed nector"
Can you recommend any other good books that cover this topic or would sealed nector cover it in sha Allah
 

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