Confused: Jihad and other questions

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Greetings and peace be with you muslimah_B;

When they attack you to harm or kill you or your family or another believe.. you defend yourself or them (no you do not be kind, im sure you wouldnt be kind to a seriel killer trying to kill you)
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But would this be any different if another Muslim was trying to kill you or your family, would you treat an aggressive Muslim differently to an aggressive non-Muslim? Would you be kind to this violent Muslim and take him as a friend?

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

Eric
 
I think the verses in the Quran that talked about no contact with the non believer were for a specific context, such as when there were disputes and problems that would make a situation dangerous if there were contact in the first place?

Or... Am I wrong lol and since the Muslims at that time were small and felt persecuted, these verses were meant to be for a specific context.

If you feel yourself persecuted right now, avoid contact with that person in order to avoid disputes it's pretty simple. If you have someone trying to harm you, you protect yourself. Etc.

Moreover I think that the Muslims were offered refuge by a Christian king, running away from tribes in former Saudi Arabia right now. Moreover a "Muslim" that is being aggressive towards another Muslim, is no longer actually following Islam, he is considered a kuffar, because his actions go against the teachings of Islam and he is not respecting his brothers and sisters in Islam and if he attacks a people that are not causing harm to him, he is also inflicting harm to people and being cruel.
 
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YahyaIbnSelam said:
He didn't kill the population. He surrendered the city and captured it. This is recorded in many history and fiqh books. For example Siyar al-Kabir by Imam Muhammad (rh)
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Salaam bro,

They did fight the people of taif after the conquest of Makkah, Rasulullah SAW did attack the town of taif, AFTER the people of that area ambushed Rasulullah SAW and the Sahabah r.a.

ALLAHU A'LAM
 
*charisma* said:
Assalamu Alaikum

Islam is simple.

Don't harm anyone that doesn't harm you. Don't fight anyone that's not fighting you.
Help individuals that need to be helped (regardless of religion).
Be kind to everyone, but don't be so close to a disbeliever that they are able to sway you and influence you away from your deen, or take enemies of Islam as friends.

Concentrate on jihadul nafs more because this is what will benefit you right now. You're not in a state where you have to fight anyone physically so you can learn about that for the sake of expanding your knowledge, but otherwise it's not something you will need right now. The different types of jihad have different rulings, so you'll have to learn about each of those separately.
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So how does Islam spread without Qitaal ?

Yes, jihadun nafs is there for every second of our lives, being on the battlefield is the greatest form of jihadun nafs
 
Explain offensive Jihad. Does it mean that the Islamic State invades countries and kill the men? i don't think so.
 
EgyptPrincess said:
I wish guns were allowed in the UK. If they put their hands on us we could gun en down, but not to kill them. Just shoot them where it hurts and watch as they roll around screaming in pain :raging: ;D That will teach you for messing with the muslimahs!
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That's the way to think sis, a muslim should be prepared, especially in this golden era we are living in
 
EgyptPrincess said:
but ask your local imam what he thinks, go to conferences in your country where highly qualified scholars talk. The Quran and hadiths are not easy to understand and we have to know the context of the verse
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noraina said:
I think you should ask a scholar, though, inshaAllah. These are quite intense questions, which are really dependant on the type of context and conditions someone with knowledge would understand better. :)
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This.
 
I agree [MENTION=29833]~ Sabr ~[/MENTION]

Cuz even if you guys explained to me, I'd still have questions.. and around it goes. I've soo many questions about some ayats too.
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace be with you muslimah_B;



But would this be any different if another Muslim was trying to kill you or your family, would you treat an aggressive Muslim differently to an aggressive non-Muslim? Would you be kind to this violent Muslim and take him as a friend?

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

Eric
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Hi Eric

Yes it does mean for a believer aswell, it goes for anyone or anything (human, animal) if you are fearing for your life or that of your families then you are allowed to defend yourself, of course killing should be the very last option...
But ofcorse we shouldn't wish to be in the situation of killing a fellow muslim (or anyone for that matter) as it is a major sin in islam (to kill another muslim), but hence if you have absolutely no choice then Allah is all mercifull & forgiving
Hope that clears it up for you [emoji4]
 
Serinity said:
Explain offensive Jihad. Does it mean that the Islamic State invades countries and kill the men? i don't think so.
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Offensive Jihad as understood by the Sahaba means making the Law of Allah superior on the whole earth. Once the Arabian Peninsula was under the Islamic State, they would thrust outwards towards Persia ans ash-Sham with an army. When they confronted the army of Khalid bin Waleed, the sword of Allah, he would give them 3 choices. Embrace Islam, pay the jizyah to live under the protection of the State, or fight. They had up to 3 days to make up their minds. He would also finish his statement with a intimidating threat: "Know we are a people who love death as much as you love life". If the disbelievers wanted to fight, they would be defeated and then it would be up to the Amir what to do with the prisoners, but killing them is permissible. And this is sanctioned by Allah in the Quran when the Prophet decided to allow the prisoners of Badr to live though Allah wanted that the prisoners should be killed agreeing with the suggestion of Umar ibn Al-Khattab.

It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise. (8:67)

One of the problems of the Ummah today is that we don't hear the things we need to know in the Friday Khutbah. Very few scholars and Imams talk about the concept of Wala and Bara, the different types of Jihad, the obligation to live under Shariah, hijrah, hududd and so forth. We have a defeatist mentality from the subjugation of the disbelievers and living in their societies. The role of the religious leaders is for them to tell us what we need to know and not what we want to hear. Willful ignorance is not going to help us on the Day of Judgement. What is willful ignorance? Here: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Willful_ignorance This sums up the state of some Muslims.
 
Alhamdulillah, I know the context of the ayat (sort of)

But assuming that the prisoners of war are women and children, how is it just to kill them? IF they are combatants, I understand.
 
Serinity said:
Alhamdulillah, I know the context of the ayat (sort of)

But assuming that the prisoners of war are women and children, how is it just to kill them? IF they are combatants, I understand.
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The women and children are not killed.
 
Cpt.America said:
The women and children are not killed.
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Phew lol. So what do we do with the women and children?

And I don't understand the ayat completely. So Allah SWT says to it is better not to give the prisoners of war to the enemies for a ransom (money)? But to kill them?
 
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Seriously, stop. None of us are scholars. PM one of the scholars on the forum.
 
Serinity said:
Phew lol. So what do we do with the women and children?

And I don't understand the ayat completely. So Allah SWT says to it is better not to give the prisoners of war to the enemies for a ransom (money)? But to kill them?
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Women and children can NEVER be killed unless they are directly fighting against you. If a woman and a child are charging at you with their guns, yes obviously you can shoot to kill them.

To be honest bro you're 17 years old, like me. You're from one of the most stable democratic countries on the planet. Focus on school, focus on maturing, focus on living your life a little. Then when you're 25 or 30 and you have a much better understanding of jihad and Islam, then perhaps you can make an informed decision to go and do jihad to free the syrian people.

Rushing off to kill people at 17 because someone on the internet said so is probably the most ridiculous thing you could do.

My suggestion? Study Islam for yourself, professionally and make an educated informed decision. It seems like you're just lazy, I mean what are you even studying at school? Computers? Why not Islam? Cmon bro... learn Islam from educated scholars and then make your decision. This is ludicrous that you're so fixated on this topic. It's like you can't wait to find the slightest bit of evidence to kill someone...

If you REALLY want to be involved in jihad then donate food packets and aid parcels to the syrian people. Your country accepts refugees I am sure, go and volunteer at a centre and help them. Sigh.
 
EgyptPrincess said:
Women and children can NEVER be killed unless they are directly fighting against you. If a woman and a child are charging at you with their guns, yes obviously you can shoot to kill them.

To be honest bro you're 17 years old, like me. You're from one of the most stable democratic countries on the planet. Focus on school, focus on maturing, focus on living your life a little. Then when you're 25 or 30 and you have a much better understanding of jihad and Islam, then perhaps you can make an informed decision to go and do jihad to free the syrian people.

Rushing off to kill people at 17 because someone on the internet said so is probably the most ridiculous thing you could do.

My suggestion? Study Islam for yourself, professionally and make an educated informed decision. It seems like you're just lazy, I mean what are you even studying at school? Computers? Why not Islam? Cmon bro... learn Islam from educated scholars and then make your decision. This is ludicrous that you're so fixated on this topic. It's like you can't wait to find the slightest bit of evidence to kill someone...

If you REALLY want to be involved in jihad then donate food packets and aid parcels to the syrian people. Your country accepts refugees I am sure, go and volunteer at a centre and help them. Sigh.
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Fine, I will stop studying Islam for 8 years, pray 5 times a day, act human. And that is it. I will complete my studies. :P

I will only ask about halal and haram, and that is it. If I am wrong in anything, then may Allah SWT forgive me. Ameen.

JazakAllah khayr.

Ps. I DON'T want to kill people. But I have the impression ISLAM wants me to kill people. Which is not true.

But that is what I feel, after all the bigotry I got from some muslims. I feel Islam wants me to be a murderer, a bigoted person.
 
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Greetings and peace be with you muslimah_B;

Hi Eric

Yes it does mean for a believer aswell, it goes for anyone or anything (human, animal) if you are fearing for your life or that of your families then you are allowed to defend yourself, of course killing should be the very last option...
But ofcorse we shouldn't wish to be in the situation of killing a fellow muslim (or anyone for that matter) as it is a major sin in islam (to kill another muslim), but hence if you have absolutely no choice then Allah is all mercifull & forgiving
Hope that clears it up for you [emoji4]
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Thanks for your reply, that was helpful.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

Eric
 
Greetings and peace be with you EgyptPrincess;

If you REALLY want to be involved in jihad then donate food packets and aid parcels to the syrian people. Your country accepts refugees I am sure, go and volunteer at a centre and help them.
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I think this is the best advice so far, you can also study and pray as well.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

Eric
 

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