Creation arguments vs. evolution arguments?

When the improbebal is proven possible, it remains still, improbabel.
Be it as it may, that doesn't change the fact that bringing the angle into the equasion make's the probability even lower since it brings another set of requirements.

Steve, you keep referring to the "Impact Angle". When in reality only 11% of comet/meteorite impacts are direct impacts on land. The full statistics are:

2% - Skim through atmosphere and deflect back into space.
17% - Airburst over solid land.
41% - Airburst over oceans.
28% - Impact into the ocean.
11% - Impact onto land

Of course, this type of knowledge and understanding is the cutting edge of our understanding on how life came to be on the Earth and it is in it's infancy but whilst you see it as improbable we must consider some issues:

Structure of Comets.

You have agreed with me that comets are in essence giant dirty snowballs that have a very large cronium that is organic matter & water deeply frozen. The science question is simply to answer can & how does organic matter from a comet arrive on Earth. You also agree that organic matter can survive a low angle impact, which as the figures above show only occures out of a given percentage within 11%. Probability favours "Air Bursts" since 58% will not actually impact directly but spread their cargo over a wide area. Nobody really knows the strength of the crust within a comet & the recent "Deep Impact" probe has already proved that the crust is solid & hard, but not as hard as was expected. The deep impact probe may actually fail in it's mission because it was by the study of the impact crator that was made give science the understanding of the consistency of the comet. Because far more of the cronium has been released than expected we have learned that the crust is weaker than expected (this alone only increases the probability of organic matter surviving an airburst or low angle impact). The cronium (where the frozen Ice and matter resides) is bigger and closer to the surface of the comet. Unfortunately, this knowledge has been gained at expense, since the cronium matter is so much that it is blocking the view of the crator itself. Hopefully this will clear, I am desperately scouring the net for any latest knowledge.

"Curonium matter"

Their is of course much understood knowledge of the matter contained within a comet. But in reality, and to dispell counter debates, the whole matter needs to be resolved. For example:

1. Does life actually exist within comets?
2. Do Peptides exists within comets?
3. What is the organic matter like in the deep cold vast of space deeply frozen?

I wish I knew, but in 191 days 21 Hours & 30 minutes we will have the cronium material under our earthly microscopes with no foriegn body contamination......... "I wonder what wonders we will find"

Stardust Mission

Launched - Feb 7th 1999
Main comet matter collection - Jan 5th 2004
Expected return to earth - Jan 15th 2006

So after a six year mission, we finally get to analyze this matter.......

http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/top.html

Root
 
hey guys what do you think of my theory?Suppose Allah created comets containing organic matter and they collided with Earth later and that's how organic matter spread out and life evolved?Is this a possibility according to Islam?

I am not trying to 'integrate ' Islam into the scientific theory.
 
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hey guys what do you think of my theory?Suppose Allah created comets containing organic matter and they collided with Earth later and that's how organic matter spread out and life evolved?Is this a possibility according to Islam?

I don't see why not since islam speaks of the creation being a "Stepping Stone". Saves me banging my head against a brick wall......... Ok, you may need to re-think the origins od Adam ever so slightly. But in essence, I really cannot see why Islam could not support this theory......... Of course this would mean intelligent life throughout the Universe. Not sure Islam subscribes to that.
 
oh aliens I am not sure.

Qouting from the link.Not sure about its reliability.
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7906/

"Among His (God's) signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth,and the living creatures that He has scattered through them :and He has power to gather them together when He wills. 42:29" (8)


Does this prophecy of spaceflight?

In Sura 55:33-34,we are addressed,"O ye assembly of Jinn and men!If it be you can pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth,pass ye!Not without authority will ye be able to pass!Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?"
 
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No offence intended:

Does this prophecy of spaceflight?

In Sura 55:33-34,we are addressed,"O ye assembly of Jinn and men!If it be you can pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth,pass ye!Not without authority will ye be able to pass!Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?"

But that can cover a multitude of scenarios. If I was to go through any religous book I could imply just about anything I wanted.....
 
root said:
No offence intended:



But that can cover a multitude of scenarios. If I was to go through any religous book I could imply just about anything I wanted.....
There is a considerable difference between "implying" and "deducing." Per your own admission you are not capable of deducing. This is because you have no knowledge, especially Prophetic knowledge. The following link explains the subject matter, further in great detail after deducing the correct meaning and interpretation. Needless to mantion that you will deny that as well. But never foget your opinion or denial means nothing to two billion Muslims. Neither these subjects and Islamic beliefs requires your approval?

Scientific realities in the Qur’aan.

Regards
Preacher
 
But never foget your opinion or denial means nothing to two billion Muslims. Neither these subjects and Islamic beliefs requires your approval?

I agree with what you say preacher & we must consider that two billion is still the minority train of thought.

Rgds

Root
 
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root said:
But that can cover a multitude of scenarios.
I agree it's an ambiguous statement. I would want someone to become a Muslim because of the message of Islam, not simply because of a scientific miracle, although there are many miracles.

:w:
 
A lighthearted but thought provoking question:

If evolution is correct and man evolved from apes, why are there still apes? :)
 
Originally Posted by Root

Their is of course much understood knowledge of the matter contained within a comet. But in reality, and to dispell counter debates, the whole matter needs to be resolved. For example:

1. Does life actually exist within comets?
2. Do Peptides exists within comets?
3. What is the organic matter like in the deep cold vast of space deeply frozen?

I wish I knew, but in 191 days 21 Hours & 30 minutes we will have the cronium material under our earthly microscopes with no foriegn body contamination......... "I wonder what wonders we will find"

Stardust Mission

Launched - Feb 7th 1999
Main comet matter collection - Jan 5th 2004
Expected return to earth - Jan 15th 2006

So after a six year mission, we finally get to analyze this matter.......

To my Muslim brothers and sisters,what if they do find organic matter in comets?

and there is another matter troubling my mind.

If Allah created us from clay why did He say everything evolved from water?I heard some people talk about it so I am asking this.
 
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Yamaha - A lighthearted but thought provoking question:

If evolution is correct and man evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

Hi Yamaha,

Firstly, welcome to the LI forums since I note you are relatively new to this site. I realise you stated the above was lighthearted. So a lighthearted response would be a counter question. "If an ass evolved from a donkey (or visa versa) why do we still have donkeys!

Your question says more about your lack of evolutionary knowledge than evolution itself. Man never evolved from apes, however man & apes "share" a common ancestory. Evolution is not a ladder but more of a branching bush. Man shared the planet with other Man species (Homonids) and would have co-located.
 
root said:
Firstly, welcome to the LI forums since I note you are relatively new to this site. I realise you stated the above was lighthearted. So a lighthearted response would be a counter question. "If an ass evolved from a donkey (or visa versa) why do we still have donkeys!

Good one. :)
 
in 185 days later stardust mission is completed ,and they find that life in comets!

Big deal could happen .

so how do we know that comet hit Earth millions of years ago?Even if that comet contains life is there any evidence to show that the same type of comet containing life hit Earth?


And guys have you uh made a "conclusion" of you first argument?
 
Big deal could happen .

OK, cool.

so how do we know that comet hit Earth millions of years ago?Even if that comet contains life is there any evidence to show that the same type of comet containing life hit Earth?

Well, a comet is a comet & a steak pie is a steak pie. Comet impacts are of infinate frequency, Look to any planet or satellite to see how frequently they impact.
 
well there aren't frequent impacts on Earth ........though there are the meteorites.They have found organic matter etc on the meteorites too,right?
 
Abdul Aziz said:
well there aren't frequent impacts on Earth ........though there are the meteorites.They have found organic matter etc on the meteorites too,right?
Maybe that's because they keep landing in compost heaps :)
 
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As I said, you only have to look at the moon to see the frequency of impacts. & in answer to your question meteorites are different from comets. Icidently, we all witnessed Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 smacking into Saturn. We gain live images of comets within our own atmosphere, and all planetary & satellite objects are all scared with impacts no matter how small or large they may be.
 

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