Creationists dealt a blow

[جوري]

I am enjoying the fact that you like the term cryptic so much you have used it in three of your posts.. I suggest you actually familiarize yourself with the subject matter, then you won't be so confused, deeming it "nonsense"...

I don't think you have a clue what "high numbers" means as relates to the aforementioned cases, we have already written extensively on Trinucleotide repeats, rather than going over this again, I'd request you go ahead and read about the following mutations, Dentatorubral-pallidoluysian atrophy , fragile X syndrome, Haw river syndrome, Huntington's disease, Spinal and Bulbar muscular dystrophy, Spinocerebellar ataxia.. and then we can have this conversation on how ("they are obviously not so "unfit".]

It is becoming a matter of saving face with you, you've almost become a zealot over things that contradict (your religion evolution) --

peace!

 

[Pygoscelis]

I am enjoying the fact that you like the term cryptic so much

If a word fits, why not use it? You make no sense.

Again, you launched off on this tirade in response to my stating the obvious, that survival of the fittest involves the concept of death. You still have not made any coherent point, besides your adhoms.

I suspect that your constant trolling is going to get this thread closed, but perhaps that is your goal.

As for evolution being my "religion"? It may suprise you that I'm actually not a staunch supporter of the theory, certainly not to a "religious" degree. I think its the best theory people have managed to come up with so far. Its probably wrong, at least in part, and will be replaced when a better theory comes along with better evidence.

I was just commenting on the theory and that survival, and hence death is a necesary part of it, and you seemed to take that as a luanching point for this incoherency of yours.

 

[جوري]

It makes no sense and is incoherent to you simply because you are ill read. Seeing that you copy your comebacks from various posts, I suspect you don't have one well formed opinion of your own? I get PM's about the subjects in this thread all the time...
I have no interest in closing the thread, I expect that people read points presented them before engaging in a topic... Answering the first thing that comes to your mind, is hardly scientific...
You remind me of something I have witnessed once in a (place of gathering), a male gorilla pounding extra hard on its chest in show of prowess. Your replies are hyperbolic, which makes me lose interest....
Go ahead and entertain whomever is reading this with your endless endowment of wit....

peace!

 

[Woodrow]

That rather depends on scale. 'Life', as a whole, has been around in some form or other for four billion years or so and shows no sign of stopping. Not bad for something "erratic and unstable". Would you not agree that in this context that is as close to 'ageless' as makes no difference?

If the Universe existed on only one plane and all that exist is only that which we can see. I would agree with your answer.

I could go along and agree that if matter were an undirected cosmic happening without cause, that eventually motile, self reproducing organisms would develop. Those organisms would not be alive. However, at some point cosmic stagnation would occur and stability would be the ultimate end product of evolution.

However, I see life as something that extends beyond the measurable. I do not see where we have any apperatus that can measure life. There is no way to determine if a tiny krill is more or less alive than the many ton blue whale that eats it. They both have a quality that we can only call life.

We really do not fully comprhend what life is. We do have some concept as to when life ends. But, we do not have scientific proof as to why things die.

Life, exists because it is not an evolutionary product. Life occurs, because it was created to occur. This physical existance is simply the vehicle we have been blessed with to guide us in our fulfilment of life. Life can not evolve from nothing because this thing we call life is not a material, it is the Will of Allah(swt) Astagfirullah

 

[Pygoscelis]

Setting Ambrosia and his/her constant adhoms aside (that last post had literally nothing but adhoms in it)...

We really do not fully comprhend what life is. We do have some concept as to when life ends. But, we do not have scientific proof as to why things die.

I agree with this. It is difficult to even define what life is and how it functions, nevermind how it came to be.

Life, exists because it is not an evolutionary product. Life occurs, because it was created to occur. This physical existance is simply the vehicle we have been blessed with to guide us in our fulfilment of life. Life can not evolve from nothing because this thing we call life is not a material, it is the Will of Allah(swt) Astagfirullah

This is of course all your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I of course don't take this step.

The quote makes me curious though, is it your view that some sort of "life force" has always existed, perhaps in the hand of God, before it developed or was shaped by God into what we are today?

 

[Woodrow]

Setting Ambrosia and his/her constant adhoms aside (that last post had literally nothing but adhoms in it)...



I agree with this. It is difficult to even define what life is and how it functions, nevermind how it came to be.



This is of course all your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I of course don't take this step.

The quote makes me curious though, is it your view that some sort of "life force" has always existed, perhaps in the hand of God, before it developed or was shaped by God into what we are today?

Simply my round about way of saying I do not really know what life is. I know I experience it and I know I enjoy it, but I can not point to anything specific and call that life. No I do not believe it is an eternal thing I believe it was created By Allah(swt) at a specific moment. I can only speculate as to when that moment was. My own feeling is it was at some stage during my cellular formation.

I have no way to explain what it is, but I do know it came from Allah(swt)

 

[thirdwatch512]

QUESTION TO EVOLUTIONISTS - according to the laws of motion, matter can not be CREATED NOR DESTROYED.

so how on earth did Matter start??!!!!??

although i am Christian, I know that any theistic person can agree that life is just too complex to have been "coincidential"

like the anatomy of a body is sooo complex, and just soo amazing. i fail to understand how evolution can do that.

and certain animals have certain features that can protect them.. how did evolution make that!!

evolution is the WHACKEST junk ever!! lol

i can agree with some beliefs of evolution.. but others just seems outright ridiculous.

plus, remember.. Satan is a deciever. a liar. he tricks people.

 

[Pygoscelis]

QUESTION TO EVOLUTIONISTS - according to the laws of motion, matter can not be CREATED NOR DESTROYED.

so how on earth did Matter start??!!!!??

That isn't a question that Evolution theory attempts to answer.

Evolution doesn't deal with how life came to be, only how it changes form over time.

 

[Philosopher]

That isn't a question that Evolution theory attempts to answer.

Evolution doesn't deal with how life came to be, only how it changes form over time.

Then how come almost all atheists are evolutionists?

 

[Trumble]

QUESTION TO EVOLUTIONISTS - according to the laws of motion, matter can not be CREATED NOR DESTROYED.

I think you mean the 'laws' of conservation of matter and of energy, not the "laws of motion". Matter is actually both 'created' and 'destroyed' all the time, although the sum of both mass and energy is conserved.

so how on earth did Matter start??!!!!??

Where there is energy there is the potential for matter. So where did energy come from? The same place as God maybe?

like the anatomy of a body is sooo complex, and just soo amazing. i fail to understand how evolution can do that.

The theory, in it's modern form, is quite clear as to how it could "do that". The question is whether you believe that it did, or that something else did.

and certain animals have certain features that can protect them.. how did evolution make that!!

That's precisely the point. The animals which developed that feature (or already had it when the environment changed to make it more 'desirable' ) were those most likely to survive and breed, and hence that feature was perpetuated and became increasing common. In other words, the species evolved to include it.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Then how come almost all atheists are evolutionists?

Because they don't have a creation story drilled into their heads that they see as conflicting with evolution. They have no reason to reject evolution the way that creationists do, and the theory is science's current best guess at some questions about how species have appeared and disapeared over the ages.

 

[ranma1/2]

QUESTION TO EVOLUTIONISTS - according to the laws of conservation, matter can not be CREATED NOR DESTROYED
so how on earth did Matter start??!!!!??.
Thats not a concern of evolution. Heck thats not even a concern of abiogenisis. There are some theories that go into how matter can pop into existince but im not that familar with them. Now of course there are also some theories that suggest that the universe has always existed in one form or another. Imagine an infinite big bang and crunches.

although i am Christian, I know that any theistic person can agree that life is just too complex to have been "coincidential"
like the anatomy of a body is sooo complex, and just soo amazing. i fail to understand how evolution can do that.
I would recomend reading about how certian functions are believed to have evolved.

and certain animals have certain features that can protect them.. how did evolution make that!!
See above.

 

[ranma1/2]

Then how come almost all atheists are evolutionists?

And why are the majority of evolutionary scientist theists?

 

[Pygoscelis]

And why are the majority of evolutionary scientist theists?

Indeed. Atheism is pretty rare. Evolution belief is more common than nonbelief. It would seem to follow that the majority of evolutionists are theists, not atheists.

 

[Trumble]

And why are the majority of evolutionary scientist theists?

I've no idea if a majority are theists are not (agnostics is my guess) but certainly a great many are. The reason, of course, is simply that evolution and theism are perfectly compatible. Whoever/whatever is responsible for the 'great design', evolution is just a part of that design. If it was designed by God, that design must have been perfect by definition, hence there would simply be no need for later 'tinkering' regarding the famous flagellum and such, or the creation of man. Things would just take of themself.

 

[Quruxbadaan]

Yes that sounds really stupid, probably why your ignorance has led you to not even understand what evolution represents and what it does not......

Think about it next time b4 u rush in again and spout your nonsense.......

Im sorry you make it sound as though the theory of evolution is rocket science to understand. perhaps for you it is... in anycase we all know that discoveries like these are alwayse something people should take with a grain of salt and that there are also many scientist who themselves are skeptical about the theory of evolution

this whole fish discovery sounds way too far fetched for me to swallow because unlike you a few fancy words dont daze me

peace

 

[Quruxbadaan]

OMG, such remarkable display of ignorance.

Root i really dont like the cut of your jibb

 

[root]

Im sorry you make it sound as though the theory of evolution is rocket science to understand. perhaps for you it is... in anycase we all know that discoveries like these are alwayse something people should take with a grain of salt and that there are also many scientist who themselves are skeptical about the theory of evolution

this whole fish discovery sounds way too far fetched for me to swallow because unlike you a few fancy words dont daze me

peace

Source then please........

 

[ranma1/2]

.......and that there are also many scientist who themselves are skeptical about the theory of evolution

.....

peace

And there are many more scientists by the name of steve that are in the related feilds that accept the theory and have no problem with it.
AND They accept this statement.

Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation's public schools.
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/3541_project_steve_2_16_2003.asp

 

[rania2820]

So what you are the types of people that believe a rock blew up all of a sudden world came and some how humans are the only smart one. Man can you even see how stupid that sounds. Besides fossils can be misleading at times.. Also if you were to reject God then answer this howcome Prophet Muhammed S.A.W knew what will happen in the future. Howcome An illiterate person can tell us the world is round and all the science that sciencetist have just found out ?

agreed.the notion that we were all created from a ball of gas then exploded and thus the universe.is just stupid. and why are humans the smartest species? because God made us that way.

and my question is where did this ball gas come from anyway? did someone fart it out?