Cut..CUT..=Yes/No?!

[sevgi]

mashaAllah thats the best thing to do.

would you advise some people to act robotic towards certain others?

like say someone keeps bugging you and you love'd this someone, but then they keep hurting you, should you just keep your duty to that someone whilst ignoring all feelings and having sabr?

for men i think this is possible, i dont know about sisters though? :?

is it healthy?

lol..no way...

ull just wait till they have a freudian slip and voila!!!

thats called repression.humans arent built for it...it leads to depression..

dnt do it.be open and closed in a healthy balanced manner.

 

[sevgi]

yeah i got a cousin whos on depression tablets, and she says she keeps hearing voices and stuff, shes attempted suicide over 10 times.


do you know anything about this?

she mite have a mild form of skitzofrenia(no i will not spell it properly)...

i know that it is directly liked with the jiinns...

if they arent that severe..they just mite be bifactors of depression.but definetly, if she is really bad..take her to someone.the jiinns mite be playing with her. they play with ppl whos imaans are not too healthy.work on her imaan health.

there are two forms of silence...the peaceful kind and the one filled with the wisperings of the shaytaan...

make her write it all out in letters...

these voices are what block ones direct phone line with Allah: ur conscience...

help her out in this way inshallah.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ yeah i tried that sis, tried reciting aytul kursi, surah naas falaq etc.

there was a point where she thought she is a divine being :S and then later she went onto christianity, and now shes claiming islaam wears the hijaab but lol. its weird..

shes already been to them imaams, they say theres no jinn possessing her, so i tried it myself... i know its silly but what else are we gnna do :S

 

[sevgi]

^ yeah i tried that sis, tried reciting aytul kursi, surah naas falaq etc.

there was a point where she thought she is a divine being :S and then later she went onto christianity, and now shes claiming islaam wears the hijaab but lol. its weird..

shes already been to them imaams, they say theres no jinn possessing her, so i tried it myself... i know its silly but what else are we gnna do :S

if she doesnt have jinns for sure, then its probably that shes got ADD of some sort.

it is a very misunderstood illness.ppl with ADD make themselves believe things in order to get attention...

my frends mum wud pretend to see spiders on the walls so ppl wud think she was crazy...

any attention is gud enuf, even if they are getting 'crazy' attention.

is she married?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ naa her parents are trying to get her married off.

Problem is those depression tablets made her go really fat, i think they cause obesity of some form...

to be honest most depressed people go fat so..

but then again, shud she really get married? She doesnt seem to be at all capable of taking care of a family..

 

[ahsan28]

^ naa her parents are trying to get her married off.

The best possible option perhaps.

 

[sevgi]

The best possible option perhaps.

not unless she has ADD...if she does, then she shudnt...

the guy will go crazy.she needs to work on herself...

but bro IbnAbdulHakim..ive sent u a pm...

 

[Ourra-Tul-'Ain]

u cant tell anyone depressed to fall in love with Allah...they dnt care remember..they hate him for putting them in such a situation(towbah---but thats it) so u must be very careful with the islamic advice u give.bring it on them slowly...
dnt make it obvious bt always reinforce their imaan...thats what 'hope' is anyway...

i was writing for muslims and non-muslims...

peace.

Sister then only Allah can help them. if u feel that way about Allah SWA then:hmm: I really don’t know what to say......because even when I'm really down, I just can not feel that way! "they dnt care remember" well that is just mad I tell ya.

Allah is the only one who can help; even when you are at your lowest you must remember that. You must have some kind of hope, n if you feel that way about Allah then I just don’t know.:uhwhat

sorry i know I'm bablin on a bit
Allah know best.

Ma'ssallamah:sunny:

 

[Re.TiReD]

SubhanAllah! I've just read through some of these recent posts! Masha'Allah at the freudian slip sumeyye! lol I think the talking therapy is the best one, when one feels the world has abandoned them to their miserable fate it's great to have somebody there to listen to you.

I liked the point IbnAbdulHakim made about tellling them to love Allah (even though nobody else agreed). With a lot of people I am of the opinion that the fault lies in the person's cognition i.e. the way they think, even if they've rid themselves of any external factors they're never really going to be healed unless they change the way they think, and that would include believing in the aayah...'laa yukallifullaha nafsan illa wus'3aha' with 100% certainty, and once they believe that they'll have no problem loving Allah and then everything should come easy to them. i.e ridding themselves of suicidal tendencies...(wish i could explain further but I might regress :X)

However, saying that--- there's really no point debating about this as different things work for different people, and I speak from experience here, Alhamdulillah--- it's fear of Allah that mostly helped me. And its fustrating when people comment that when feeling suicidal you forget Allah, or you hate Him for putting you through the problem! Allahu Akbar! that isnt always the case...because if you priorotise Islam and Allah, they'll be on the forefront of your mind no matter what happens in life, and they'll ALWAYS ALWAYS help you through! insha'Allah!

 

[Ourra-Tul-'Ain]

^ yeah i tried that sis, tried reciting aytul kursi, surah naas falaq etc.

there was a point where she thought she is a divine being :S and then later she went onto christianity, and now shes claiming islaam wears the hijaab but lol. its weird..

shes already been to them imaams, they say theres no jinn possessing her, so i tried it myself... i know its silly but what else are we gnna do :S

Wallahi i know someone just like that bro!

sheikhs say there is no jinn n dat in her. it seemed like it to me:hmm:

but anyways she wears the niqab one day the next she is wearing skinny jeans n some house party.

she takes these pills which also make her FAT.

i think it is the evil eye:scared:.........as MashAllah she was such a pritty young girl who loved her deen.

Allah knows best, just make lots of dua for your cousin:sunny:

 

[Ourra-Tul-'Ain]

SubhanAllah! I've just read through some of these recent posts! Masha'Allah at the freudian slip sumeyye! lol I think the talking therapy is the best one, when one feels the world has abandoned them to their miserable fate it's great to have somebody there to listen to you.

I liked the point IbnAbdulHakim made about tellling them to love Allah (even though nobody else agreed). With a lot of people I am of the opinion that the fault lies in the person's cognition i.e. the way they think, even if they've rid themselves of any external factors they're never really going to be healed unless they change the way they think, and that would include believing in the aayah...'laa yukallifullaha nafsan illa wus'3aha' with 100% certainty, and once they believe that they'll have no problem loving Allah and then everything should come easy to them. i.e ridding themselves of suicidal tendencies...(wish i could explain further but I might regress :X)

However, saying that--- there's really no point debating about this as different things work for different people, and I speak from experience here, Alhamdulillah--- it's fear of Allah that mostly helped me. And its fustrating when people comment that when feeling suicidal you forget Allah, or you hate Him for putting you through the problem! Allahu Akbar! that isnt always the case...because if you priorotise Islam and Allah, they'll be on the forefront of your mind no matter what happens in life, and they'll ALWAYS ALWAYS help you through! insha'Allah!

MashAllah sis, well said:sunny:

 

[Re.TiReD]

Has anybody studied psychology?? Because I know it'd have something to say about IbnAbdulHakim's cousin, I just can't remember, :hiding: unless you want Islamic advice of course?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Allah knows best, just make lots of dua for your cousin:sunny:

will do inshaAllah, may Allah grant her shifa ! Ameen

Has anybody studied psychology?? Because I know it'd have something to say about IbnAbdulHakim's cousin, I just can't remember, unless you want Islamic advice of course?

naa its cool, i posted something on Ummah forum and the feedback i got was amazing, may Allah reward Dhakiyyah !

 

[sevgi]

Sister then only Allah can help them. if u feel that way about Allah SWA then:hmm: I really don’t know what to say......because even when I'm really down, I just can not feel that way! "they dnt care remember" well that is just mad I tell ya.

Allah is the only one who can help; even when you are at your lowest you must remember that. You must have some kind of hope, n if you feel that way about Allah then I just don’t know.:uhwhat

sorry i know I'm bablin on a bit
Allah know best.

Ma'ssallamah:sunny:

if u read between the lines..i agree with Ibnabdulhakim abt telling them to love Allah...

but when someons depressed.like serious depression and wants to die-they think its Allahs fault...ur rite,,,it is mad. thats why they are mad.

alternatly, they blame themselves..and want to die either way...Allah doesnt matter to them.

i DONT feel that way.i wish depressed ppl didnt feel that way.

but thats what deprssion is: lack of-or total loss of:
1)imaan/faith
2)hope
3)SELF respect.

they need healing in their imaan...but u cant just 'tell' them to love Allah.

u need to build it up all over again...

do u get me..?

sis jihadunnafs...do u see that i do agree with Ibnabdulhakim abt believing in Allah...

i do..

 

[Re.TiReD]

will do inshaAllah, may Allah grant her shifa ! Ameen



naa its cool, i posted something on Ummah forum and the feedback i got was amazing, may Allah reward Dhakiyyah !

wow! that's everything i've learnt but cant remember :hiding: great memory and ameen to the du'aa for her...and am sure she's a sis...you called her bro :hiding:

can i post the most important part here? well am gonna anyway...

Depression is a mental illness, its NOT the same as just feeling sad, down, unhappy or whatever. Its caused by a lack of seratonin in the brain - which is an important neurotransmitter which allows the brain to function normally.

Lots of people may say "I'm depressed" or "I feel depressed" ... but they don't mean "I have this illness called depression". If a doctor diagnoses someone with depression he/she is NOT diagnosing that they feel "a bit sad" or "unhappy" - its an actual illess.

Its rather unfortunate that the word depression has a different meaning in ordinary speech cause it leads to this kind of misunderstanding. People don't in normal speech say "I'm feelilng a bit paranoid schyzophrenic at the moment" or "I'm feeling rather bipolar disorder".

So I think unless you actually know what depression is to begin with, you don't know enough to be able to have an opinion of it.

As to what relation depression has to the state of your Imaan and so on - what relation does any illness have with it? What about flu or measles? Allah sends illness as a test, like everything else so there is some relation. The cure of many illnesses - mental and physical - can be found by correcting your lifestyle, but many can have nothing to do with lifestyle. Unless you actually have an indepth knowledge of the illness in question, you're not qualified to make this judgement.

 

[sevgi]

naa its cool, i posted something on Ummah forum and the feedback i got was amazing, may Allah reward Dhakiyyah !

dnt cross promote..lol..

and no..sorry..no psych here...if u need a historian or a victorian literist (im allowed to make up words..im a literist) im here for ya!!!

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

^ yeah i tried that sis, tried reciting aytul kursi, surah naas falaq etc.

there was a point where she thought she is a divine being :S and then later she went onto christianity, and now shes claiming islaam wears the hijaab but lol. its weird..

shes already been to them imaams, they say theres no jinn possessing her, so i tried it myself... i know its silly but what else are we gnna do :S

brother, is she aware of her suroundings, aware of what she speaks,etc. i.e is she ....sane:hiding:

to be honest most depressed people go fat so..

really?, i thought it would be the opposite. i guess it depend on how one reacts to it. some people over eat, some pople under eat, due to it. assuming eating is the factor causing weight gain and loss.


anyways, i havn't read all posts, but i did read yours sis sumeyye, and this caught me:

u cant tell anyone depressed to fall in love with Allah...they dnt care remember..they hate him for putting them in such a situation

i think it depends on how religiously comttied a person is. if their iman is generally not so great, than yeah, i have to agree with you. But you would (at least i would ) have to advice them with the islamic approach eg, be paitent, there is jannah, etc, but in a subtle kina way. Whereas if a person is more commited, than i dont see why not you should be upfront about your advice, such as, "remember how Prophet....was in a similar situation. hey, you are walking in the footsetps of prophet.... dont you feel good. dont you feel proud" something like that anyway.
i know if i was in that situation (not saying that my iman is so great) than i would what the up front advice. :sunny:

 

[Whatsthepoint]

There are safer ways of releasing tension than cutting yourself. You can break something, throw something or simply swear.

 

[Umm Hurairah]

There are safer ways of releasing tension than cutting yourself. You can break something, throw something or simply swear.

Or you can just do Wudu and pray two nafl.

 

[sevgi]

anyways, i havn't read all posts, but i did read yours sis sumeyye, and this caught me:


i think it depends on how religiously comttied a person is. if their iman is generally not so great, than yeah, i have to agree with you. But you would (at least i would ) have to advice them with the islamic approach eg, be paitent, there is jannah, etc, but in a subtle kina way. Whereas if a person is more commited, than i dont see why not you should be upfront about your advice, such as, "remember how Prophet....was in a similar situation. hey, you are walking in the footsetps of prophet.... dont you feel good. dont you feel proud" something like that anyway.
i know if i was in that situation (not saying that my iman is so great) than i would what the up front advice. :sunny:

thats what i said...