David Cameron to force shut down of 'extremist' mosques

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I dont trust the UK government at all i am always been feeling like there is something off there
i cant put my finger on it
I am ashamed of the UK government what the UK government did to Palestine people and there holy wars
I cant understand why fight ?
Why not have peace

 

[Serinity]

The UK government are traitors and corrupters. They sent a deviant sect called qadiyanism or whatever it is called. Complete filth. How can we trust them when they use divide and conquer?

The UK's intentions for sending this devaint sect, with their falsehood and fake prophet. qadiyanism was to stop the Jihad. Afaik

Allahu alam.

 

[muslimah_B]

Theyre all shaytan worshippers, and thats putting it lightly,

What is shaytans plan, to cause destruction and mischief in the land, and turn the muslims away from Allah and his deen.

But the fact is that it is not just the media portraying IS this way, there are also muslims who speak out against them, and there are seperate media outlets where they admit to causing carnage to innocent people and admit to the suicide bombings etc
, if this is indeed true how can you justify their actions, when above i posted the laws of warfare which are strict.
We can not deny that the majority of schloars and muftis have denounced them and told them to stop
Yes not everything is so black and white but there is alot of evidence against them and by knowledgeable people who are over there

 

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Unfortunately, i get my disability benefits from them, some times i think i shouldn't take the money and give it all to Brothers and Sisters who need food and a warm bed and to sleep safety

 

[Serinity]

1. “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person.” (Sunan*Abu Dawud)

Does this apply to the kafir men who don't participate in the war ?

Btw, I read that there is an opposing opinion, which I read was valid. Scholars can confirm. Idk tho.

 

[EgyptPrincess]

Does this apply to the kafir men who don't participate in the war ?

Btw, I read that there is an opposing opinion, which I read was valid. Scholars can confirm. Idk tho.

Kufr are not Muslims so of course they won't follow the Sharia when in war. Muslims during war have to follow the Sharia regardless of what rules the enemy follow. If kufr rape women in wartime, you think mujahideen also can rape? ^o)

You don't need to listen to media if you don't trust them, you don't need to listen to governments who you don't trust. Listen to the people of knowledge, the scholars. And not your backyard DIY scholars... no, listen to the ones with decades of knowledge.

... I'm not confused. If you're confused then you have not studied this religion.
And if you think this is anything to do with truth, you definitely have not studied this religion.
Nobody wants to follow the people of knowledge, that's the first thing, the people of knowledge have no voice any more.
It's just all these young boys out there on Google. That's who rules this religion.
Not people that will spend 20 years to studied the religion.

The CIA had a fact sheet that estimated only 1.5million Muslims in the entire world support IS. There is a difference though, supporting Al-Qaeda, JN etc is not the same thing... So in terms of IS supporters, only 1.5million Muslims in the world support them. Give yourself a back on the back for being the uneducated <0.1%.


There's a good reason why Muslims the world over are not flocking to IS... it's not because they're brainwashed, no, quite the opposite... It's because they're educated.

 

[muslimah_B]

Does this apply to the kafir men who don't participate in the war ?

Btw, I read that there is an opposing opinion, which I read was valid. Scholars can confirm. Idk tho.

It does i remember reading hadeeths on it and in the quran that as soon as they stop fighting you, you must stop fighting them.
I honeslty havent read or heard scholars allowing it can you post it so i can read it in sha Allah ?
Our deen isnt passive but it isnt immoral where you kill people who have nothing to do with the war or those who surrender...
But thats why we have people of knowledge who will fill in the grey areas for us, not us laymen who cannot give fatwa or have such a vast understanding of everything in deen.
Like remember non-believers used to live alongside prophet mohammed s.a.w in peace at some point... not ALL kaffir are evil or wanting to harm us or are our enemy (which is what the real EXTREMISTS believe)

“…if any one killed a person, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind; and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole of mankind…” - (5:32).
"They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.[4.89]
"Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them." [4.90]**
"You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given. you a clear authority" [4.91]

"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just." [60:8]

"Fight against those who fight against you in the way of Allah, but do not transgress, for Allah does not love transgressors." [2.190]

 

[Serinity]

you didn't understand me. I said does the ruling include the kafir men who are healthy but don't participate in war?

I want scholar's input. And Allah SWT knows best.

 

[muslimah_B]

Ok give me a moment to find it in sha Allah
In the meantime can you post where it says they are not included in sha Allah

 

[Serinity]

I am asking cuz I am confused myself lol. Idk even if that opinion is valid, tbh.

I just want clarity. Cuz the hadith doesn't say "healthy men" just elderly and sick. No healthy men..

 

[EgyptPrincess]

Anyway all of this will be obsolete in the next 5 years. IS will just be another name like the hundreds of others, most of which you probably do not even know their names. Inshallah Allah will pull the ground for beneath their feet.

Many have tried, all have failed. Bare in mind that the U.S could just drop a nuke in Raqqa and instantly vaporise 20,000 mujahideen in a heartbeat but they won't... because the loss of civilian life is too great.

IS vs The World is a battle that simple cannot be won, unless Allah swt allows it. So far it doesn't look like Allah is allowing it lol.

 

[EgyptPrincess]

I am asking cuz I am confused myself lol. Idk even if that opinion is valid, tbh.

I just want clarity. Cuz the hadith doesn't say "healthy men" just elderly and sick. No healthy men..

Then go to your local real life scholar. Not Google.

 

[muslimah_B]

I am asking cuz I am confused myself lol. Idk even if that opinion is valid, tbh.

I just want clarity. Cuz the hadith doesn't say "healthy men" just elderly and sick. No healthy men..

Lol Im looking through my law books and hadeeths books to see if its explained, i tried online and well it was just a bunch of trash against islam whenever i typed it in (fail)
Its taking longer than i expected to find anything to do with "jihad" or "islamic jurisprudence on war" its like its been censored lol [emoji53]

 

[EgyptPrincess]

Lol Im looking through my law books and hadeeths books to see if its explained, i tried online and well it was just a bunch of trash against islam whenever i typed it in (fail)
Its taking longer than i expected to find anything to do with "jihad" or "islamic jurisprudence on war" its like its been censored lol [emoji53]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_military_jurisprudence

I know it's wiki hehe but the sources are linked at the bottom. Perhaps it might be somewhere in there what you're looking for?

You are going to enter Egypt a land where qirat (money unit) is used. Be extremely good to them as they have with us close ties and marriage relationships. When you enter Egypt after my death, recruit many soldiers from among the Egyptians because they are the best soldiers on earth, as they and their wives are permanently on duty until the Day of Resurrection. Be good to the Copts of Egypt; you shall take them over, but they shall be your instrument and help. Be Righteous to God about the Copts.

Ah yeh.. the Egyptians

 

[EgyptPrincess]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_military_jurisprudence

I know it's wiki hehe but the sources are linked at the bottom. Perhaps it might be somewhere in there what you're looking for?





Ah yeh.. the Egyptians

During battle the Qur'an commands Muslims to fight against the enemy. However, there are exceptions to such combat. Torturing the enemy, and burning the combatants alive is strictly prohibited

Jordanian pilot

Women and children prisoners of war cannot be killed under any circumstances, regardless of their religious convictions

Yazidis

 

[muslimah_B]

I looked at the wiki page

And i cant find anything that explains the hadeeth wether the kaffir men who choose not to fight are also left alone, or still considerd as part of waging the war..
Would actually need a sheik or mufti to clarify, as from my small understanding the people of knowledge declare jihad and would mention the grey areas depending on who exactly they are fighting against
Allah knows best

 

[Serinity]

Anyway all of this will be obsolete in the next 5 years. IS will just be another name like the hundreds of others, most of which you probably do not even know their names. Inshallah Allah will pull the ground for beneath their feet.

Many have tried, all have failed. Bare in mind that the U.S could just drop a nuke in Raqqa and instantly vaporise 20,000 mujahideen in a heartbeat but they won't... because the loss of civilian life is too great.

IS vs The World is a battle that simple cannot be won, unless Allah swt allows it. So far it doesn't look like Allah is allowing it lol.

IF they are really Mujahideen then what you just said could be kufr, for why would you want Mujahideens killed?!

Anyways, this is my stance, as of now>

To kill any non-combatant, regardless of religion, is haram? (Idk) but this is what my conscience says.

 

[muslimah_B]

IF they are really Mujahideen then what you just said could be kufr, for why would you want Mujahideens killed?!

Honestly brother IF they where the mujahideens, then every scholar would claim them as that, and tell the believing people to make hijra to the lands that are in their controll.
The scholars right now are denouncing them and saying their actions are unislamic and to stop, we are "laymens" even if we are students or seeking knowledge, we must look to the knowledgeable for advice and answers

But all in all Allah knows best

 

[Serinity]

Honestly brother IF they where the mujahideens, then every scholar would claim them as that, and tell the believing people to make hijra to the lands that are in their controll.
The scholars right now are denouncing them and saying their actions are unislamic and to stop, we are "laymens" even if we are students or seeking knowledge, we must look to the knowledgeable for advice and answers

But all in all Allah knows best

True.. And judging from the media, the killings of ISIS are too frequent to be just because of punishment. Ps. AFAIK, they let KIDS do the executions, which I know the Prophet SAW would NEVER allow.

But their nasheeds are AWESOME.
Allahu alam, tho.

 

[EgyptPrincess]

IF they are really Mujahideen then what you just said could be kufr, for why would you want Mujahideens killed?!

Anyways, this is my stance, as of now>

To kill any non-combatant, regardless of religion, is haram? (Idk) but this is what my conscience says.

I used the word Mujahideen because this is what you call them. I do not consider them soldiers of Allah no... I consider them misguided delusional fighters. FSA are Mujahideen, people who truly fight for the Syrian people...

I would love to see FSA stomp assads palace into the ground IS are nothing more than delusional hate filled thugs. May Allah grant them vision and put them back on the correct path.

Establish a Sharia based state by all means... but do it the correct way. Not by bludgeoning everyone who stands in their way, 99% of whom are Muslims! The west doesn't need to slaughter Muslims because Muslims are slaughtering each other... Why do a job which is already being done for you?

Imagine the power if all these off-shoot groups and IS combined together into toppling Assad only. Assad would have been gone a long time ago. Instead they're too focused on fighting their own brothers. smh