David Cameron to force shut down of 'extremist' mosques

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EgyptPrincess said:
I used the word Mujahideen because this is what you call them. I do not consider them soldiers of Allah no... I consider them misguided delusional fighters. FSA are Mujahideen, people who truly fight for the Syrian people...

I would love to see FSA stomp assads palace into the ground :) IS are nothing more than delusional hate filled thugs. May Allah grant them vision and put them back on the correct path.

Establish a Sharia based state by all means... but do it the correct way. Not by bludgeoning everyone who stands in their way, 99% of whom are Muslims! The west doesn't need to slaughter Muslims because Muslims are slaughtering each other... Why do a job which is already being done for you?

Imagine the power if all these off-shoot groups and IS combined together into toppling Assad only. Assad would have been gone a long time ago. Instead they're too focused on fighting their own brothers. smh
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I don't get why they are fighting each other, just beat that Assad guy, and why are they fighting eachother? aren't they on the same Aqeedah? IF soo, why disunite on small issues when Aqeedah is on point (assuming their's is, if not, may Allah SWT guide them, Ameen)

And Allah SWT knows best.
 
Serinity said:
I don't get why they are fighting each other, just beat that Assad guy, and why are they fighting eachother? aren't they on the same Aqeedah? IF soo, why disunite on small issues when Aqeedah is on point (assuming their's is, if not, may Allah SWT guide them, Ameen)

And Allah SWT knows best.
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God only knows. I think it's just a disagreement on things. IS disagree with JN and FSA about something so they call them khawarij, munafiq and declare them enemies.

"Only an idiot tries to fight a war on two fronts, and only a madman tries to fight on three"

IS are fighting on about 8 different fronts, spreading their fighters far and wide. These fighters have the heart and the will to win but they just don't have the tactics, strategy, weaponry or manpower to win.
 
Serinity said:
True.. And judging from the media, the killings of ISIS are too frequent to be just because of punishment. Ps. AFAIK, they let KIDS do the executions, which I know the Prophet SAW would NEVER allow.

But their nasheeds are AWESOME.
Allahu alam, tho.
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Exactly
Which is why we should denounce their ACTIONS and ask Allah to guide them
Alot of the crimes they have commited they have even said yes its them, they admit to these atrocities which is NO WAY allowed in sharia
Burning people alive - punishment by fire is only allowed by Allah
Killing innocents and other muslims is a major sin
Never would prophet mohammed s.a.w allow these things when he s.a.w explicitly spoke out against these things
And the 10 rules of engagement in warfare was compiled by Abu Bakr al-Siddiq,
They "IS" need to turn their attention to the ground troops in the muslim countries who are commiting attrocities to our brothers and sisters, invading their lands and help those brothers who are actually attacking the enemy NOT innocents or trangressing the limits put down by Allah and our pious predecessors

There was a video on youtube of a scholar even stating that people should not go to syria to fight as there is so much people fighting eachother that no-one knows who is fighting who and you could shed the blood of a innocent muslim and have the wrath of Allah upon you
 
muslimah_B said:
Exactly
Which is why we should denounce their ACTIONS and ask Allah to guide them
Alot of the crimes they have commited they have even said yes its them, they admit to these atrocities which is NO WAY allowed in sharia
Burning people alive - punishment by fire is only allowed by Allah
Killing innocents and other muslims is a major sin
Never would prophet mohammed s.a.w allow these things when he s.a.w explicitly spoke out against these things
And the 10 rules of engagement in warfare was compiled by Abu Bakr al-Siddiq,
They "IS" need to turn their attention to the ground troops in the muslim countries who are commiting attrocities to our brothers and sisters, invading their lands and help those brothers who are actually attacking the enemy NOT innocents or trangressing the limits put down by Allah and our pious predecessors

There was a video on youtube of a scholar even stating that people should not go to syria to fight as there is so much people fighting eachother that no-one knows who is fighting who and you could shed the blood of a innocent muslim and have the wrath of Allah upon you
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There was once when the sahabah Ali r.a. used fire. I think, any scholar can confirm, or was it by accident & ignorance?

BUT seriously, Killing INNOCENTS, whether muslims or kafirs, is prohibited, right?

but it is the media, but judging from the media, it looks unislamic, but Allahu alam. There is too much conflict, one doesn't even know WHY they are fighting. To Establish the Shariah, and Al-Islam?

Do it by dialogue. I think.

Allahu alam.
 
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Serinity said:
There was once when the sahabah Ali r.a. used fire. I think, any scholar can confirm, or was it by accident & ignorance?

BUT seriously, Killing INNOCENTS, whether muslims or kafirs, is prohibited, right?

but it is the media, but judging from the media, it looks unislamic, but Allahu alam. There is too much conflict, one doesn't even know WHY they are fighting. To Establish the Shariah, and Al-Islam?

Do it by dialogue. I think.

Allahu alam.
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There is no official islamic media outlet, we have to rely on scholars and sometimes youtbe videos of those muslims in those specific countries who are witnessing it 1st hand.
I would never encourage anyone wether muslim or not to watch the news on tv, i remember when isreal(the devils) where bombing palestine and the news tried to potray a bombed area as it was in isreal when in actuall fact it was in palestine !!! To make it out that isreal where the victims !!!!
Yes killing innocents wether muslim or non muslim is not allowed.... UNLESS it is for self defence or they are fighting you.
If they surrender and are not fighting they are not allowed to be harmed i posted the evidences up before.

Honeslty jihad is a hard topic because there are 2 types.
For physical jihad only those who are knowledgeable can declare jihad not the laymen or "common folk"
Those who go to fight have to do so by their own will and be of sane mind and of a certain age (there was a story of boy who was young who wanted to fight but wasnt allowed and kept begging to fight, he was only allowed to feed the soldiers not partake in the fighting)<<< i will try to find the story and post it its just been a while so i may not be explaining it properly)
Jihad is for fighting for the sake of Allah agaisnt the enemies of Allah and islam only, not for attacking or killing people who have no concept of the war or not an enemy
A lot of these extremists claim that the whole entire west is against islam, yes there are people in the west who are the enemies of islam that does not mean to say ALL of the people in the west are enemies... there are practising muslims in the west ! There are kuffar in the west who dont care that there are practising muslims and are happy to live among them.
How can we bring people to islam if people think that kuffar are the enemy... All reverts at one point where disbelievers !!
Even some of the sahaba where disbeliever but they became muslim !!!
 
We're straying from the topic somewhat. Which is about David Cameron forcing the 'extremist mosques' to shut down.
 
[MENTION=38888]muslimah_B[/MENTION] Which is why it's imperative to condemn these (IS) people and show the kufr the true peace of Islam. It's not about pleasing the kufr, it's about trying to get as many of them to turn to Allah swt and the prophet saw. How will they ever see the light of Islam if all they see are these clowns blowing up restaurants and and football stadiums?

Muslims today have a big responsibility to try and educate the kufr. We should be calling as many to Islam as possible for the sake of Allah, not to turn them away from us. Allah knows best but I am sure Allah would value recruitment based on peace and not blood-thirst.

The prophet saw did not force people to Islam and he did not kill those who did not follow him. Yes he defended his people and land with the sword when it was required.
 
EgyptPrincess said:
[MENTION=38888]muslimah_B[/MENTION] Which is why it's imperative to condemn these (IS) people and show the kufr the true peace of Islam. It's not about pleasing the kufr, it's about trying to get as many of them to turn to Allah swt and the prophet saw. How will they ever see the light of Islam if all they see are these clowns blowing up restaurants and and football stadiums?

Muslims today have a big responsibility to try and educate the kufr. We should be calling as many to Islam as possible for the sake of Allah, not to turn them away from us. Allah knows best but I am sure Allah would value recruitment based on peace and not blood-thirst.

The prophet saw did not force people to Islam and he did not kill those who did not follow him. Yes he defended his people and land with the sword when it was required.
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This is the problem though
Muslims are divided from the tiniest of things i.e where to put hand for prayer (some take it too far) to the bigger things i.e cursing the mothers of believers (as to wether we can claim some shia to be muslims is up for debate as there is evidence against and for,, so i say up to Allah)
Denying the hadeeths etc etc
Untill the muslims are united upon "la ilaha illaha" we are going to continually see these freaks come out (as to some i have no idea how they can call themselves muslims the things they claim is quite frankly shirk and against Allah)

We have some muslims who agree with the actions of "is" and even want to go over there or carry out acts in their countries and harm those who they believe are enemies, and when you dont agree with them they call you hippocrite or kufr (Astagfirllah) even when you show then proofs.
 
This is certainly a deep issue within the ummah and one which would take some serious politics to fix.
 
EgyptPrincess said:
This is certainly a deep issue within the ummah and one which would take some serious politics to fix.
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I honeslty cant remember the hadeeth where it states the times when there will be a muslim state wether it will be when the medhi comes, when Isa a.s comes down or even before them

Forgive me my brain is frazzled and i sometimes forget the order of how they go and i dont want to give false or mixed up information
 
muslimah_B said:
I honeslty cant remember the hadeeth where it states the times when there will be a muslim state wether it will be when the medhi comes, when Isa a.s comes down or even before them

Forgive me my brain is frazzled and i sometimes forget the order of how they go and i dont want to give false or mixed up information
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Speaking of Mahdi and signs. This reminded me of a video. Have a watch of this

Amazing video
 
muslimah_B said:
how this idiot got elected is beyond me.... we should ban all these idiots, who make the stupidest ideas and decisions ever !

do we know which masjid are being targeted to be closed down ?
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Aslamaualykum sister,

Well sister it is a reflection of the times we are living in and we know the situation will get much worse.

The Prophet said saw, 'The Hour will come when leaders are oppressors, when people believe in the stars and reject al-Qadar (the Divine Decree of destiny) when a trust becomes a way of making a profit, when people give to charity (Sadaqah) reluctantly, when adultery becomes widespread - when this happens, then your people will perish.'"

May Allah swt help us all preserve our emaan Ameen
 
BeTheChange said:
Aslamaualykum sister,

Well sister it is a reflection of the times we are living in and we know the situation will get much worse.

The Prophet said saw, 'The Hour will come when leaders are oppressors, when people believe in the stars and reject al-Qadar (the Divine Decree of destiny) when a trust becomes a way of making a profit, when people give to charity (Sadaqah) reluctantly, when adultery becomes widespread - when this happens, then your people will perish.'"

May Allah swt help us all preserve our emaan Ameen
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Walaykum asalam warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu

Alhamdulilah
I know, but its still so dumbfounding how these people get into power, then we look at these hadeeths and signs of the day of judgment and more and more keep happening right infront of our eyes.
I know its already foretold it would happen but its still shocking when it happens as they are complete "fools"
 
muslimah_B said:
Walaykum asalam warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu

Alhamdulilah
I know, but its still so dumbfounding how these people get into power, then we look at these hadeeths and signs of the day of judgment and more and more keep happening right infront of our eyes.
I know its already foretold it would happen but its still shocking when it happens as they are complete "fools"
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It's because they're master manipulators. Obama can talk his way out of ANY situation lol he is an incredible spokesman. Cameron is good at convincing people that what he says is true... It's just manipulation.

Let's just assume for a moment that Sharia law ruled the UK and it was the Muslim population who had to appoint a leader. How on Earth would we decide? There would be fighting because some people disagree and others like Shia don't get a voice it would just be a nightmare. I mean is there anyone in the UK at the moment who is even qualified for the task?

Secularism may create corruption but at least it's stable... There would undoubtedly be corruption in ANY political system. Humans are not perfect and we never will be. Life is complex, people are complex, it takes hard work and time to iron out the wrinkles. Look how far we've come from 300 years ago.
 
The Shariah Law is the best Law. To favour a law above the Shariah would be kufr. Afaik.

And NO it won't be a nightmare if we turn to the Quran and let Allah SWT choose and decide for us. Turning to the Quran and The Sunnah is the solution.

Our leader and role model is the Prophet SAW, our Lord is Allah SWT.

It is negative people that will be a hindrance. we should turn to how the Sahabahs r.a. did, etc.
Oh and btw, the Shariah Law is pure and free from any corruption.

The Shariah is far more stable than any man made law, it is perfect!
 
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Serinity said:
The Shariah Law is the best Law. To favour a law above the Shariah would be kufr. Afaik.

And NO it won't be a nightmare if we turn to the Quran and let Allah SWT choose and decide for us. Turning to the Quran and The Sunnah is the solution.

Our leader and role model is the Prophet SAW, our Lord is Allah SWT.

It is negative people that will be a hindrance. we should turn to how the Sahabahs r.a. did, etc.
Oh and btw, the Shariah Law is pure and free from any corruption.

The Shariah is far more stable than any man made law, it is perfect!
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I never said Sharia is corrupt... but people are. Just because someone follows the Sharia does not mean they cannot cause corruption. Like I said there are always corrupt people.
 
EgyptPrincess said:
I never said Sharia is corrupt... but people are. Just because someone follows the Sharia does not mean they cannot cause corruption. Like I said there are always corrupt people.
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If someone follows the Shariah, he won't cause corruption.

But there are people who use the shariah to cause corruption, which is different from those who follow it.

Idk when there will ever be a Khalifah. Allahu alam.
 

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