Death penalty????

[Omari]

I thought Islam perscribed the death penalty for apostates, blasphemers, publically practicing homosexuals, and there are some verses that are very unkind towards polytheists...

My opinion is that most people who commit crimes such as murder or rape are not capable of making rational judgements and decisions at the time of the action. Hence I don't think they should be held responsible for their mistakes. Yeah, thy should e locked up, tehy've proven to be unstable dangerosus for teh society, but they should not be killed.

As I said before, I do support the death penalty in cases of people who do wrong consciously and gain financial or other benefits, eg serial killers, politicans who get rid of their opponents...

If they aren't capable of making "rational judgements" then they should seek professional help. And anyway, what kind of a sick reason does one need to make a decision to ruin somone's life? [rape]

They are held responsible, and if they are locked up, then they should not be allowed back in. Because there is nothign stopping them from "accidently" making the wrong rational Judgment, is there?

on the last part, about the politicians and serial killers and people who fall under that category, the same thing applies.

Omari

 

[Whatsthepoint]

If they aren't capable of making "rational judgements" then they should seek professional help. And anyway, what kind of a sick reason does one need to make a decision to ruin somone's life? [rape]

They are held responsible, and if they are locked up, then they should not be allowed back in. Because there is nothign stopping them from "accidently" making the wrong rational Judgment, is there?

I don't think paedophiles will seek professional help. Neither will all of the potential rapists and murderers. Most people comit a crime due to a sever and a sudden traumatic event, there's no time to seek help.
Criminals should be taken in and treated, socialized etc. Later, if a team of psychiatrist should conclude they've been cured/rehabilitated I think they should be let out..

 

[truemuslim]

^^ or they can switch there brain with someone who a bigger size brain..

 

[Omari]

I don't think paedophiles will seek professional help. Neither will all of the potential rapists and murderers. Most people comit a crime due to a sever and a sudden traumatic event, there's no time to seek help.
Criminals should be taken in and treated, socialized etc. Later, if a team of psychiatrist should conclude they've been cured/rehabilitated I think they should be let out..

I guess that's your opinion. But honestly, if they get back to the right state of mind, I think even they would want to die. Imagine you are living next door to a pedophile, I would like to see the way you act towards him, and I'd like to see how many times you would let your kid(s) outside.

Ofcourse, i know you know what im pointing at, so im not gona explain.

 

[جوري]

You can't socialize criminals are you kidding me? there is no rehabilitation, some simply won't be rehabilitated.. try to understand that not everyone can be inherently good. There is wickedness and evil in the world...

I don't know if you believe or think psychiatrists are miracle workers? but if you do consider this, only 5% of those seeking rehabilitation from drugs through the help of psychiatrists using govt. fundings are successfully rehabilitated...

life isn't this utopia that the faint hearted imagine it to be!

cheers

 

[Omari]

^^ or they can switch there brain with someone who a bigger size brain.. nah im kiddin... but yah thats true

HUH? your giving in!? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...My only BACKUP ffended:imsad

but yah thats true

Not neccesarily, I hope you understood what he's implementing.
He is saying exactly what he has been saying the whole time, him and WILBER :|. And you have been argueing against, and now your giving in!

EDIT IT! EDIT IT!

lol

omari

 

[Omari]

Never mind, purest amborsia has my back now!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I guess that's your opinion. But honestly, if they get back to the right state of mind, I think even they would want to die. Imagine you are living next door to a pedophile, I would like to see the way you act towards him, and I'd like to see how many times you would let your kid(s) outside.

Ofcourse, i know you know what im pointing at, so im not gona explain.

They would be free to kill themselves...

You can't treat a paedophile, at least not their sexual tendencies...but you can chemically reduce their lust (or even chemically castrate them), which I think is a common practice in some palces. In France, they will keep them jailed for life, I think.

 

[truemuslim]

HUH? your giving in!? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...My only BACKUP ffended:imsad



Not neccesarily, I hope you understood what he's implementing.
He is saying exactly what he has been saying the whole time, him and WILBER :|. And you have been argueing against, and now your giving in!

EDIT IT! EDIT IT!

lol

omari

ok ok fine i wasnt even serious.. except bout the brain part.. sometimes ppl post things to see what the other person would say...like me earlier..lol... anyway sometime i actually start thinking wilberhum and whatdapoint is the same person..lol.. i actually got mistaken one time in another thread.lol

whatsthepoint: :nervous::nervous::nervous:

lol

 

[Omari]

ok ok fine i wasnt even serious.. except bout the brain part.. sometimes ppl post things to see what the other person would say...like me earlier..lol... anyway sometime i actually start thinking wilberhum and whatdapoint is the same person..lol.. i actually got mistaken one time in another thread.lol

whatsthepoint: :nervous::nervous::nervous:

lol

LOL, yes they are very wise people, both of them. And it's almost a pleasure debating with them. Almost. Inshalah, he/they will see the light and come on our side. Joly fun that would be.

Inshalah...

Omari

 

[Whatsthepoint]

You can't socialize criminals are you kidding me? there is no rehabilitation, some simply won't be rehabilitated.. try to understand that not everyone can be inherently good. There is wickedness and evil in the world...

I don't know if you believe or think psychiatrists are miracle workers? but if you do consider this, only 5% of those seeking rehabilitation from drugs through the help of psychiatrists using govt. fundings are successfully rehabilitated...

life isn't this utopia that the faint hearted imagine it to be!

cheers

I am aware not all people can be rehabilitated. But taht's why there's life in prison.
I wouldn't compare criminals(apart from paedophiles) to drug addicts though.

I would like to see the stats about prisoners who after being released an rehabilitated comit new crimes.

 

[Mikayeel]

Whoever thinks that Allâh will not help him (Muhammad SAW) in this world and in the Hereafter, let him stretch out a rope to the ceiling and let him strangle himself. Then let him see whether his plan will remove that whereat he rages! (15) Surah Al Hajj!, a very strong verse that challanges mankind...... u strong enough to take the challange???

 

[truemuslim]

LOL, yes they are very wise people, both of them. And it's almost a pleasure debating with them. Almost. Inshalah, he/they will see the light and come on our side. Joly fun that would be.

Inshalah...

Omari

lol.. i gotta go now..so i dunt got ur back..sorry bye pops is home...btw they isnt wise... whats the point is kinda wise..but wilberhum just says nonsense!!

 

[Omari]

lol.. i gotta go now..so i dunt got ur back..sorry bye pops is home...btw they isnt wise... whats the point is kinda wise..but wilberhum just says nonsense!!

lol, I know and read, you and wilber bang heads somtimes. And its often amusing to read, you with your simple yet strong arguements, him with his advanced and strong arguements...

lol.

by wise i meant, full of facts, mature, and ...err...experienced?

 

[جوري]

I am aware not all people can be rehabilitated. But taht's why there's life in prison.

this isn't something that can be subjected to our own immanent views of what it is, or what it ought to be. I think this is highly variable on of the criminal, the nature of the crime and the victim's family. Under Islamic jurisprudence, a person who is mentally unfit is exempt from such trials and indeed should be rehabilitated. It is up to a medical committee and a person learned in the law to decide the nature of such affairs, not emotional people on a forum, who for some forsaken reason seem to identify more with the criminals than the victims (frankly that alone leaves me wondering as to their life style choices)...

I wouldn't compare criminals(apart from paedophiles) to drug addicts though.

there are gradations of criminality, just like there are gradations of mental illness, just like there are gradations of what punishment should be implemented for a particular crime!

I would like to see the stats about prisoners who after being released an rehabilitated comit new crimes.

That is a request you'd most likely have to direct to your local council man or woman, that is if it is made for public view. I doubt very much they run such studies, as most criminals save for pedophiles don't have to register themselves in the community where they are released.
This area of the law is outside my sphere of expertise or even that of a random google search!

peace

 

[truemuslim]

lol, I know and read, you and wilber bang heads somtimes. And its often amusing to read, you with your simple yet strong arguements, him with his advanced and strong arguements...

lol.

by wise i meant, full of facts, mature, and ...err...experienced?

nah i call my side defending... he probably just copy and pastes lies from google... sorry i is gosipping now... ffended:

p.s. of course he is expierenced he is 62! lol

another p.s. ... its not amusing... at all.. ..it more...annoying..for me..for u i guess u do find it amusing

 

[Omari]

It is amusing. Sometimes they get so mad that they stop posting :| and we think we won lol...

Phew...i think this thread is about to get closed.
LAST POSTER WINS :|

 

[truemuslim]

...yep...i give. up...no more serious threads from me...my other one got closed...to much fighting,....if i cant post anything serious here than i mite as well not post at all...and im glad u find it amusin..

p.s. i dont think im fully awake yet...its only 1:26 tho bt i wsa lookin at my reps...somehting wiiierddd by someone wwiiierrdd was there.....im gonna go back to sleep..no classes fo me today..

 

[Z-Blade]

:salamext:,

Most people who are against the death penalty either a) do not believe in the afterlife or b) do not understand it. Otherwise, there is no reason to be against it.

Wassalam.

 

[truemuslim]

^^^ yep thats true