Debate: Athiest's VS Christians VS Muslim

[Whatsthepoint]

In the number of years the earth has exsisted, I/99% of the people never heard of Thor, who is it and what does it do?

Well, it's mostly atheists who know Thor and use him in their examples, so no wonder.
Ah, have you ever heard of Stargate series? Plenty of Thors there...

 

[Skavau]

yeh but then u make the tiniest grammar crap such a big deal

It makes no odds if it was Caps or not, I'd still make a 'big deal' out of it.

i do and u just dont understand...uh..nothing?

No. Judging by your assumptions of evolution, you understand nothing about the theory. You don't even seem to get how it happens since you think that evolution is said to take place independently of reproduction.

what r the miracles in christianity and i will answer ur question

Ask the Christians. They claim people have been healed by God, prayers answered and claim images of Jesus on various things. This is no different than Muslims claiming to see Arabic in clouds, and trees 'bowing' towards Mecca.

All of it is rather unconvincing, cringe worthy and ultimately poor expression of God's behalf (if it is indeed work of God).

BUT where did the trees and earth and planets and air and rain and clouds and food all come from???

Evolution takes place in plants as well.

The rest of your question makes no sense. Rain is a type of precipitation. It did not 'come' from anywhere. The air is just the atmosphere on earth.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

what r the miracles in christianity and i will answer ur question

Miracles in Christianity consist mainly of appereances of saints, visions and most importantly, supposedly inexplicable healings.
Catholically speaking...

 

[ummsara1108]

Skavau, u said



but then in the next post you said



I think those are contradicting statements.

You are alive right, breathing, walking, running, thinking, debating?

The proof there is a higher authority is with you every moment of the day, when you sleep and in your concious, ect.

When you think of doing something wrong, who do you think makes you second guess what you want or are about to do? It's god!!!!

 

[Skavau]

You are alive right, breathing, walking, running, thinking, debating?

Yes.

The proof there is a higher authority is with you every moment of the day, when you sleep and in your concious, ect.

How is me sleeping and generally being alive 'proof' of a higher authority?

When you think of doing something wrong, who do you think makes you second guess what you want or are about to do? It's god!!!!

Do you have any evidence that God makes me second guess immoral acts?

 

[ummsara1108]

So you've never even heard of Norse Paganism? Or general Viking Mythology?

Pagans, yes, norse paganism, no, viking mythology, again no


I'm surely gonna have to look it up...

 

[Whatsthepoint]

When you think of doing something wrong, who do you think makes you second guess what you want or are about to do? It's god!!!!

IMHO, the morals brought up to you mainly in your childhood.

Why do non-muslims never second guess before consuming pork, drinking alcohol, listening to music, indulging into premarital sex. Afterall, it's wrong according to God (or people who claim to know him)..

 

[ummsara1108]

Yes.

Great!


How is me sleeping and generally being alive 'proof' of a higher authority?

who created you, or did you just appear? and don't say my mother and father, because my answer to that would be....who gave them the ability to creat you?


Do you have any evidence that God makes me second guess immoral acts?

Morals, where do you think you get it from, birth? it's your selfconcious.

 

[Skavau]

Morals, where do you think you get it from, birth? it's your selfconcious.

Somewhat, although conditioning through childhood can change one's own perception of what acts deserve altruism and what acts cause guilt, therefore indicating that there is no set moral criteria built in us from birth.

 

[ummsara1108]

IMHO, the morals brought up to you mainly in your childhood.

Why do non-muslims never second guess before consuming pork, drinking alcohol, listening to music, indulging into premarital sex. Afterall, it's wrong according to God (or people who claim to know him)..

your right morals are taught as a child, but it's your beleifs that keep you moral.

Most christians follow the new testament, but it clearly states in the old testament not to do any of those things. Find a christian that follows the OT, they most certainly do not do any of the things stated, except those who are lead astray, as a matter of fact OT christians are more like muslims than you think. And even more so like jews.

Another thing is NT christians think if you ask for forgiveness, your forgiven as long as you beleive that jesus is the son of god.

I mean how many times can a person commit the same sin, before he isn't forgiven anymore?

 

[ummsara1108]

Somewhat, although conditioning through childhood can change one's own perception of what acts deserve altruism and what acts cause guilt, therefore indicating that there is no set moral criteria built in us from birth.

Exactly

 

[Whatsthepoint]

your right morals are taught as a child, but it's your beleifs that keep you moral.

Perhaps.
This does not prove God though.

Most christians follow the new testament, but it clearly states in the old testament not to do any of those things. Find a christian that follows the OT, they most certainly do not do any of the things stated, except those who are lead astray, as a matter of fact OT christians are more like muslims than you think. And even more so like jews.

Another thing is NT christians think if you ask for forgiveness, your forgiven as long as you beleive that jesus is the son of god.

I mean how many times can a person commit the same sin, before he isn't forgiven anymore?

Yeah, but what does this have to do with the existence of God?
PS: Ask a Christian. I am a former one but I never got into details..

 

[ummsara1108]

Lol...
Why do you believe the trinity is false just because we, mere humans, cannot fully grasp it?

God = 1

God/Son/Holy Spirit = 3

What's not to grasp, christians say god is 1 period, god is unique (nothing like it) period, but yet they worship more than god, how can a son and a father be the same thing, don't make sense and the people that don't grasp it, merely don't want to, because there comfortable where they stand.

 

[ummsara1108]

Perhaps.
This does not prove God though.

To be honest if anyone thinks they can PROVE god exists, they are wrong, the proof is in your heart, mind and soul. in my opinion...


Yeah, but what does this have to do with the existence of God?

you asked why they don't give a second thought before eating pork, drinking, have premarital sex, ect. that was my reply...


PS: Ask a Christian. I am a former one but I never got into details..

I am also a former christian, raised and bred, although my religion at the moment is religion, I absolutely believe there is A God, just haven't put myself into a catagory yet. Seek the knowledge and you will find it....

 

[Whatsthepoint]

you asked why they don't give a second thought before eating pork, drinking, have premarital sex, ect. that was my reply...

At first you said God makes us second guess, then you said beliefs do...
The pork example was a reply to the first part.

 

[Heera Singh]

To WhatsThePoint: yes, creation is involved in evolution... you were born... u were 'created' so to speak... u didn't just appear out of thin air one day... there was a whole process of 'creation'... the sperm had to go and 'seed' itself... and then the whole process of 'conception' began... a 9 month (give or take) process... so yes, u were created out of something...

 

[Heera Singh]

sorry, the last post was meant for skavau not 'whats the point'

 

[Skavau]

To WhatsThePoint: yes, creation is involved in evolution... you were born... u were 'created' so to speak... u didn't just appear out of thin air one day... there was a whole process of 'creation'... the sperm had to go and 'seed' itself... and then the whole process of 'conception' began... a 9 month (give or take) process... so yes, u were created out of something...

And even if you define that as 'creation', it is not the sort of creation that Theists seem to think happened. That is what lacks evidence and that is what I was asking to be demonstrated.

The contradiction is void.

 

[Heera Singh]

sorry, please explain "it is not the sort of creation that Theists seem to think happened"

 

[Skavau]

sorry, please explain "it is not the sort of creation that Theists seem to think happened"

When I said this:

Moreover, please kindly demonstrate how I am a 'creation' and demonstrate the existence of this creator please.

I meant creation as in creation of God. Theists allege that we are a creation of God. I asked for some demonstration of this.

I mean creator as in God. Theists allege God exists. I asked for some demonstration of this.

Asking for demonstration on the above have nothing to with evolution.