Debate: Athiest's VS Christians VS Muslim

[snakelegs]

Thanks to Grace Seeker, you are incorrect and have started a pointless debate.

Yes, Christians are followers of Jesus Christ, but Jesus didn't invent a religion, the religion was always there, God was always there, for example Christians believe that Noah went to heaven even though he was around long before Jesus.

The bible goes back thousands of years before Jesus, it's all the same religion of course.

Jesus reminded us of how we should treat one another, if we all followed what Jesus taught, we would live in a very peaceful world.

Jesus showed us not to be afraid to die. He died in a horrific way. And when non Christians mock and show disrespect to him, it is one of the worst things they can do in their life.

i think jews would be quite surprised at this news!

 

[جوري]

i think jews would be quite surprised at this news!

lol.. I believe this is how new sects start every day..

peace

 

[*Hana*]

Hana

no offense but your religion is supposed to be a religionof peace. I'm afraid you've lost your peace of mind. I know that there is one thing what you like most about me-my absence.

loool john316, please stop running around the forum like you know everyone. Whether you're here or not has absolutely NO effect on me whatsoever.

You keep coming to babble on without speaking your own mind, and someone else comes along arguing with everyone with no knowledge and you want me to just sit back and nod quietly. "fraid not, John316....don't try to divert attention away from what you cannot answer by making false accusations about me or anyone else. If you type it, then you better be able to back it and if you can't...don't type accusations. It's a sign of weakness. :thankyou:

oh and eace:

Hana

 

[Sheffield]

During Jesus' time here, it wasn't even a sect. During his time here, it hadn't even formed yet. To the eyes of others, Jesus was just one more itinerate rabbi with a band of followers.

It was after Jesus' ascension that it became first a sect within Judaism, and then later a religion in its own right.

I could evidence that with quotes from the Bible, Josephus, Pliny, and Nero, but I wouldn't want to bore Sheffield. So you'll just have to take my word for it, like he expects us to take his.

I really don't like that, you sound like your trying to commercialise religion, in your eyes it's a whole new religion rather then being THE religion.

Hope your not a paster who goes on about collecting money for God so that you can use it to buy the latest new purse for yourself.

 

[snakelegs]

I really don't like that, you sound like your trying to commercialise religion, in your eyes it's a whole new religion rather then being THE religion.

Hope your not a paster who goes on about collecting money for God so that you can use it to buy the latest new purse for yourself.

in case you haven't been notified - christianity is a whole new religion!

 

[Sheffield]

Now, again, there is absolutely NO evidence that anything written in the bible was ACTUALLY written by Jesus. In fact, there is evidence AGAINST that fact, as i mentioned earlier, since it's proven that the Bible HAS been altered over time.

When the bible is translated alone specific words must be changed to words of the new language.

But Noah did not read the bible as it is today and of it's exact words. Does that mean Noah can't go to heaven?

And what about people who don't read every single exact word of the bible?

Your argument is pety. The general understanding of the bible remains the same and that's all that matters.

God has allowed the bible to be written by people, if your intentions are good, it's meaning will be clear and not obscured.

 

[Sheffield]

in case you haven't been notified - christianity is a whole new religion!

Then where did the Old Testiment come from?

 

[*Hana*]

When the bible is translated alone specific words must be changed to words of the new language.

But Noah did not read the bible as it is today and of it's exact words. Does that mean Noah can't go to heaven?

And what about people who don't read every single exact word of the bible?

Your argument is pety. The general understanding of the bible remains the same and that's all that matters.

God has allowed the bible to be written by people, if your intentions are good, it's meaning will be clear and not obscured.

Actually, that's EXACTLY what it means. Remember, if you don't accept Jesus as your lord and saviour...no heaven. Poor Noah...He never got to meet Jesus or hear His message. And all the prophets and people before Jesus... So unfair, so unjust all those people being condemned to Hell only because God didn't allow them the opportunity to hear of Jesus.

Peace indeed,
Hana

 

[*Hana*]

Then where did the Old Testiment come from?

:uhwhat

 

[جوري]

Then where did the Old Testiment come from?

As far as the Jews are concerned, there is no christianity!
there is no Old T, New T.. there is only the Torah..
in fact this is what they think of Jesus and Mary

"Jesus was a ******* born of adultery." (Yebamoth 49b, p.324).
"Mary was a *****: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man." (Sanhedrin 106a &b,
p.725).
"Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress". (Shabbath 104b,
p.504).

The Text
Sanhedrin 106a
R. Yochanan said (regarding Balaam): In the beginning a prophet, in the end a
sorcerer.
Rav Papa said: As people say, "She was the descendant of princes and rulers,
she played the harlot with carpenters."


So, that is what they think of your God.. perhaps now you can stop saying the old T new T, as far as they are concerned there is no new T.. there is a heretical sect ( a new religion!)


peace

 

[john316]

Actually, that's EXACTLY what it means. Remember, if you don't accept Jesus as your lord and saviour...no heaven. Poor Noah...He never got to meet Jesus or hear His message. And all the prophets and people before Jesus... So unfair, so unjust all those people being condemned to Hell only because God didn't allow them the opportunity to hear of Jesus.

Peace indeed,
Hana

refuted big time.............please read your bible.....you've gotta a reading assignment(Psalms 19:1-6). Matthew 2.....

 

[*Hana*]

refuted big time.............please read your bible.....you've gotta a reading assignment(Psalms 19:1-6). Matthew 2.....

Good answer :giggling:

 

[Sheffield]

Do you have any clue what you're talking about???

Hana

Did you read my earlier posts?

Well, I have a question for you.

Why to Muslim women say they cover themselves for Islam when pagan Arab women who worshiped idols were doing it for thousands of years before Mohammad?

And why do they do Muslims women insist on doing it in western countries where it has long been considered rude and impolite.

I quote the head Shak of Australia as saying:

"Meat" (Australian Women) must remain covered or "Cats" (referring to gang rapists convicted of raping a young Australian girl) will not be at fault for "Eating" (raping) the "Meat".

Now can someone please explain to me why the head Shak of Australia would say that?

 

[*Hana*]

Did you read my earlier posts?

Umm, yes, which is why I asked if you had a clue? :hmm:

Well, I have a question for you.

Why to Muslim women say they cover themselves for Islam when pagan Arab women who worshiped idols were doing it for thousands of years before Mohammad?

Because God ordained them to cover...read your bible.

And why do they do Muslims women insist on doing it in western countries where it has long been considered rude and impolite.

By whose standards? I follow the laws of God, not man. You try that too. :sunny: Wasn't always considered impolite now was it? Is that what you thought of Nuns?? My Auntie (A devout nun), would be very sad to hear you say that.

I quote the head Shak of Australia as saying:

"Meat" (Australian Women) must remain covered or "Cats" (referring to gang rapists convicted of raping a young Australian girl) will not be at fault for "Eating" (raping) the "Meat".

I don't care what some Sheik says...I care about what God says. PERIOD. A Sheik is not a Prophet nor a spokesperson for God. Did you see this Sheik's qualifications? If I said I was a Sheik would you believe me?

Now can someone please explain to me why the head Shak of Australia would say that?

Read above....who cares and what exactly is a HEAD Sheik????

Hana

oh, and peace

 

[جوري]

Hana

oh, and peace

Ukthy.. why do you bother? this is the same moron who is speaking of idols of mecca and the 'moon God'-- have you asked for his sources?
in fact let's put it this way, I challenge him to bring me one authentic historically accurate source for any of the crap he spews about prophet Mohammed (p) and the moon God ...

history of that region was only recorded by Islamic scholars and Muslim historians.. anything henceforth is merely a secondary opinion of desperate pagans or hyper-imaginative islamophobes who have reduced God to the level of a man and think we should all savor their illogical notions..

btw, here is an amusing piece about his bible, if he in fact reads it

(1 Corinthians 11:3-12)

The head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.

 

[*Hana*]

Ukthy.. why do you bother? this is the same moron who is speaking of idols of mecca and the 'moon God'-- have you asked for his sources?
in fact let's put it this way, I challenge him to bring me one authentic historically accurate source for any of the crap he states about idols or the moon God ...

history of that region was only recorded by Islamic scholars and Muslim historians.. anything henceforth is merely a secondary opinion of desperate pagans who have reduced God to the level of a man and think we should all savor their illogical notions

LOOOOOL omg, noooo, not a Morey follower. Oh that's hilarious. I didn't think anyone believed that man anymore. Thought this guy was a newbie that didn't know any better. I did my best to convince him not to post, but...it was for nothing. Wallahi, I thought he was just an immature kid that lacked knowledge. :hmm: Oh well.

Thanks for the heads-up!


Hana

 

[Grace Seeker]

Then where did the Old Testiment come from?

The Old Testament is a testament to the old covenant that God made with the nation of Israel. In Jesus, we who are Christians, understand that God has initiated a New Covenant. This new covenant provides a new way for God to connect with humanity in and through Jesus Christ. The Cross is the key to all of this. And Paul shows that this religion that "goes way back", as you put it, is NOT the same as that of the Old Covenant, which was based on the law. No, the New Covenant is entered into by faith, not the keeping of the Law.

Thus there are some things that have always been true with respect to God and remain so, that "the righeous live by faith" is one of them. But Christianity is a new thing that God has done in Jesus Christ. We believe that Old Testament saints looked forward by faith to the day when God's anointed, the Christ, would come. And thus by faith, they were still saved in and through the work of Christ on the cross. But the religion they practiced was not Christianity. There is a difference, and if you haven't yet understood that difference, then, to paraphrase an earlier post, I'm afraid you just don't get it.

 

[snakelegs]

Then where did the Old Testiment come from?

i think traditional jews believe that the torah (first 5 books) was from God and the rest was written by various people.
if jesus said some of the things attributed to him in the NT, he did indeed start a new religion.
judaism, like islam, is staunchly, 100% monotheistic.

 

[جوري]

LOOOOOL omg, noooo, not a Morey follower. Oh that's hilarious. I didn't think anyone believed that man anymore. Thought this guy was a newbie that didn't know any better. I did my best to convince him not to post, but...it was for nothing. Wallahi, I thought he was just an immature kid that lacked knowledge. :hmm: Oh well.

Thanks for the heads-up!


Hana

This whole thread lacks direction, substance, motive, structure, or reason, I honestly didn't want to partake at all.. it is like a huge cauldron of miscellaneous and incongruous ideas.. I am not sure where anyone is going with it? :hmm:

 

[Woodrow]

This whole thread lacks direction, substance, motive, structure, or reason, I honestly didn't want to partake at all.. it is like a huge cauldron of miscellaneous and incongruous ideas.. I am not sure where anyone is going with it? :hmm:

Agreed. six days of questionable fun is enough.

:threadclo: