Deploy troops in Iran...!

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The truth is out there and there will always be people like you who will pick up on the 1%, ignore the 99%, and say "See I told you so". If I ignore 99% of the information, I can make a case for anything. I see you can to. :D

We can rant and rave, & we can discuss this until the cows come home. It'll never be resolved. So, I say we let it lie.

In other news...

Iran said it has delayed the release of the only woman among the crew because of the UK's "incorrect attitude".


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6508039.stm
 
Again, it has been proved that the Brits were NOT in their waterspace and hence that the Iranians are lying. They couldn't even get the lie right, first time. Please refer to my previous post.

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"coughs WMD coughs*

Until incontrovertible evidence about the sailors' position is produced, many of us will not believe anything Blair says. I demand proof in my hand this instance
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Well then I think we should give ourselves a big fat F seeing as how a once pretty stable country is now in shambles. :rollseyes
Right right, and that is the US's fault right?I know I know we removed a hated ruthless dictator, we should have expected that the people would get angry about it and start a civil war, with the help of the peaceful surrounding nations

Which is why Bush should listen to Congress and get the heck out of dodge! As Pelosi said, "there's a new Congress in town" :D
I truly wish we would get out of dodge, let them all kill each other, then who will be to blame, I guess people like you since you wanted the only force trying to protect the Iraqis to leave right

Are you serious??? It's no secret that US has had plans to invade Iran in a while and that the UK is the US's puppet. (no offense the the Brits here but c'mon!). That being said, OF COURSE Iran is going to take these people who were in their waterspace to interrogate the heck out of them! And if you think they weren't in that waterspace for anything other than to spy and prepare for the future war I have a bridge in Brooklyn.
The US doesnt want to "invade" Iran at all, the US wants to stop Iran from producing WMD, if the US goes to war with Iran, you wont see the same type of war. (I swear if i have to say this one more time I am going to throw up) Also I doubt Iran would be anywhere near the UK or the US waterspace BECAUSE THEY ARENT TRYING TO STABILIZE A NEIGHBORING COUNTRY... DUH DUH DUH
 
1 - Shia are a majority in Iraq, and Iran is shia. - They are their people so they will defend them. US Irish sent money to the IRA, US did nothing to curb this yet they funded the IRA who killed many English people in England. Did you stop it? No, you encouraged yet stupid stupid Balir forgets that and jumps on the bandwagon with you lot.

2 - We shall see what happens. They will have them either way.
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so because Shia are the majority, it makes it ok for them to come into Iraq (home of many Sunni) and kill the Sunni? It doesnt actually matter whether they share the same religious background, they dont even share the same ethnicity, Arabs and Persians. I am not even going to say a word about the IRA thing.

They might have nuclear weapons alright, whether it be created by them or dropped on them is the real question they should be asking themselves
 
If Muslim countries in the middle east want to the allies to leave Iraq as soon as possible then wouldn't it make more sense for them to stop sponsoring the insurgents. That would mean the allies could finish the job of re-building Iraqi infrastrcture thus fulfilling their promise and then leave- this war could be over if certain countries really wanted it to be over. I don't mean the UK or us either.

But thats far too simple I guess.
 
If Muslim countries in the middle east want to the allies to leave Iraq as soon as possible then wouldn't it make more sense for them to stop sponsoring the insurgents. That would mean the allies could finish the job of re-building Iraqi infrastrcture thus fulfilling their promise and then leave- this war could be over if certain countries really wanted it to be over. I don't mean the UK or us either.

But thats far too simple I guess.

not to simple, but if you look back through time you will notice the mid east is always in a power struggle for land and money, it is funny though how the US is made out to be the one who wants to rob the Iraqis, while all the neighboring countries leaders and the terrorist organization leaders are the only ones with money
 
If Muslim countries in the middle east want to the allies to leave Iraq as soon as possible then wouldn't it make more sense for them to stop sponsoring the insurgents. That would mean the allies could finish the job of re-building Iraqi infrastrcture thus fulfilling their promise and then leave- this war could be over if certain countries really wanted it to be over. I don't mean the UK or us either.

But thats far too simple I guess.
I think it is that simple. :thumbs_up

And a conclusion of why the insurgents continue to receive Iranian support is just as simple. :?
 
I abore killing of innocents, yet it's you lot doing the killing too. Look what happened in Rwanda, Bosnia, and currently in Sudan. These are atrocities which we could have stopped. (SUDAN) but we don't.

Do you think i'm full of joy everytime i hear of an iraqi or a soldier killed? No. But you've made a grave mistake goinginto another country. And the world is not pleased. Look around even FRANCE said NO to the invasion.

Who, exactly, is the "we" that is going to stop atrocities? The entire world community? Are they going to hold hands like the Pepsi commercial and form a ring around Darfur?

The UN? :D

Of the three you mention.....Bosnia is the only case where somewhat effective action was finally taken. It took an entire US Armored Corps. The Europeans and the UN screwed around for a year or more while bulldozers dug mass graves. Dutch peacekeepers actually surrendered their civilian protectees over to the Serbs.

It took the US Navy to bring the first relief in Aceh.

If you want to start volunteering to solve every act of oppression...get your own army and navy and do it yourself...or stop whining.

If the US pulls out of Iraq...as you insist it do....get ready for plenty of atrocities when the Iraqis accelerate their self-immolation.
 
Evidence of troops whereabouts has been backed up. Just waiting on the approval of a thread I started :D
 
not to simple, but if you look back through time you will notice the mid east is always in a power struggle for land and money, it is funny though how the US is made out to be the one who wants to rob the Iraqis, while all the neighboring countries leaders and the terrorist organization leaders are the only ones with money

That's because you want some of the moolah (not to be confused with islamic mullahs :p)

Now you are classing all the nations leaders terrorists? lol this gets worse....
 
France said no to the war because they wanted the construction contracts. They already had strong ties with Saddam's government.
 
Who, exactly, is the "we" that is going to stop atrocities? The entire world community? Are they going to hold hands like the Pepsi commercial and form a ring around Darfur?

The UN? :D

Of the three you mention.....Bosnia is the only case where somewhat effective action was finally taken. It took an entire US Armored Corps. The Europeans and the UN screwed around for a year or more while bulldozers dug mass graves. Dutch peacekeepers actually surrendered their civilian protectees over to the Serbs.

It took the US Navy to bring the first relief in Aceh.

If you want to start volunteering to solve every act of oppression...get your own army and navy and do it yourself...or stop whining.

If the US pulls out of Iraq...as you insist it do....get ready for plenty of atrocities when the Iraqis accelerate their self-immolation.

Oooh does somebody need to take a chill pill eh....

The UN had a job to do. I give credit where it is due. The USA helped. Great.

As for the latter, well no way can get get worse. once you've left muslims will take control of the situation. They are not incapable.
 
Re: Who do you think you are kidding, Mr. Ahmadinejad?

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BRITAIN blasted Iran last night for parading our illegally-seized sailors on TV and humiliating mum Faye Turney.

The stand-off over the 15 British service personnel held by Iran intensified after Tehran warned that it could delay the release of Leading Seaman Faye Turney if Britain takes the issue to the United Nations.

Iran’s chief negotiator Ali Larijani warned that the British Government had “miscalculated” in its handling of the crisis - triggered by the seizure of the British personnel last Friday.

Downing Street made clear that it did intend to pursue the matter with Britain’s allies in the UN.

Tony Blair insisted: “There’s no alternative but to release them and the longer it goes on the more the pressure will be stepped up.

"I’m not interested in confrontation for its own sake, the most important thing is to get 15 personnel back safe and sound."

It came as France and the United States publicly supported Britain's position in the diplomatic stalemate.

The French Foreign Ministry summoned the Iranian ambassador to France to demand the swift release of the detained sailors.

"We reiterated our solidarity with the British and called on the Iranian authorities to free the detained sailors as soon as possible," spokesman Denis Simonneau said in a statement.

There was deep anger in Whitehall at the treatment of the 15 - particularly Leading Seaman Turney who was shown on Iranian television admitting that the Royal Navy party had “trespassed” into Iranian waters.

The spokesman said: "Nobody should be put in that position. It is an
impossible position to be put in."

Fuming Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said: “It is completely unacceptable to show these pictures.”

Larijani told state television: "The grounds were ready for the release of a woman among the British sailors but if we are faced with a fuss and wrong behaviour then this would be suspended and it would not take place."

Yesteday Britain proved that the Iranian mullahs are LYING when they claim they captured the Royal Navy team operating inside their waters.

Mrs Beckett hit back after footage of brave Leading Seaman Faye, 26, wearing a Muslim headscarf and praising her captors was shown on Iranian TV and beamed around the world.

She was forced on the orders of ranting president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to write a letter of apology to the Iranian people.

And the mum of one was ordered to write a letter to her parents — in which she says two small boats carrying 15 Royal Navy sailors and Royal Marines had entered Iranian waters.

Faye puffed nervously on a cigarette as she said on TV: "My name is Leading Seaman Faye Turney. I come from England. I’ve been in the Navy for nine years."

She says of her Iranian captors: “They were very friendly and very hospitable, very thoughtful, nice people.

"They explained to us why we’ve been arrested. There was no harm, no aggression."

Her letter to her parents, in which she also claims her daughter Molly will get a present from the Iranians, was faxed to the Iranian embassy in London and published. It reads:

"Dear mum & Dad,

"I am writing to you from Iran, where I am being held.

"I will try to explain to you what has happened. We were out in the boats when we were arrested by Iranian forces as we had apparently gone into Iranian waters.



"I wish we hadn’t, because then I’d be home with you all right now.

"I am so sorry we did, because I know we wouldn’t be here now if we hadn’t.

"I want you to know that I am well and safe. I am being well looked after. I’m fed three meals a day and have a constant supply of fluids.

"The people are friendly and hospitable, very compassionate and warm. I have written a letter to the Iranian people to apologise for us entering their waters.

"Please don’t worry about me, I am staying strong.

"Hopefully it won’t be long until I am home to get ready for Molly’s bIrthday party with a present from the Iranian people.

"Love you all more than you will ever know.

"All my love, Faye."

The televised interview is strictly in breach of the Geneva Convention.

Last night a body expert said Faye’s expressions showed she was "stressed and under pressure".

Pictures also showed some of the seven sailors and seven Royal Marine Commandos seized with Faye last Friday.

They were shown eating pitta bread and stew. In these scenes Faye wore a white and blue checked headscarf with her naval uniform.



In later footage, she wore a white robe and black headscarf. Footage of the moment of capture was also shown on Iranian television. The Britons are seen behind a flapping Iranian flag aboard an inflatable.

Mrs Beckett said: "I am very concerned about these pictures and any indication of pressure on or coercion of our personnel — who were carrying out a routine operation in accordance with international law.

"I am particularly disappointed that a private letter has been used in a way which can only add to the distress of the families. We have comprehensively demonstrated today that our personnel were operating in Iraqi territorial waters."

Defence Secretary Des Browne added: "It’s completely unacceptable to parade our people in this way. My whole focus is to secure the immediate release of our people."

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki last night insisted Britain must admit the boats strayed into their waters. He said Faye would be released "as soon as possible".

The lightly-armed Britons from the frigate HMS Cornwall had boarded an Indian merchant ship in the Shaat-al-Arab waterway off Basra.



As they left, two gunboats manned by Iranian Revolutionary Guards with machine guns and rocket launchers moved in. Four more Iranian boats then arrived.

Outnumbered and out-gunned, the Royal Navy team had to surrender.

Photos released yesterday showed an electronic GPS navigation system being held by a British helicopter crew member above the boarded merchant vessel. It shows that our two boats, one of them steered by Faye, were 1.7 nautical miles inside IRAQI waters.

It also emerged that the Iranians at first provided map co-ordinates showing the Brits in Iraqi waters — then sent new ones purporting to show them in Iranian waters.

Tony Blair told MPs the detention was “wrong and illegal”.

Iran has still refused to allow the UK ambassador to visit the crew.

Israel’s Deputy PM Shimon Peres warned an early release of the hostages was unlikely. He said: "They will make the maximum possible out of this." Faye’s husband Adam, a naval petty officer, was at home with their daughter Molly, three, in Plymouth yesterday.

Friend Kim Slater, 49, called the TV footage “shocking”. She said: "She looked very uncomfortable with what she was saying. There is something not right in her eyes."

Two other hostages have been named, Royal Marine Paul Barton, 21, of Southport, Merseyside, and Royal Marine Danny Masterton, 26, of Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2007140631,00.html


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That's because you want some of the moolah (not to be confused with islamic mullahs :p)

Now you are classing all the nations leaders terrorists? lol this gets worse....

I dont think there is any money over there for the US. I am not classifing any countries leaders as terrorist, I am saying that they have a hand in Iraq for their own interests (money, land as always) and the Iraqis are suffering for it just as their own people have for however long. When I said terrorist organizations I was referring to Al-Qaeda, and the other usuals, but I have no doubt some of these groups are funded by Iran, some of the Sunni groups are funded by the Saudis. You get the picture right?
 
Sadly this is more about the Sunni and Shia than it is about the UK and US. I wish our Muslim brothers and sister would admit this.

They have seperate beleifs just like catholics and protestants in Ireland. Look at how they were at each othere. They will see peace again, but once we've left.
 
I dont think there is any money over there for the US. I am not classifing any countries leaders as terrorist, I am saying that they have a hand in Iraq for their own interests (money, land as always) and the Iraqis are suffering for it just as their own people have for however long. When I said terrorist organizations I was referring to Al-Qaeda, and the other usuals, but I have no doubt some of these groups are funded by Iran, some of the Sunni groups are funded by the Saudis. You get the picture right?

Oh of course they are but do we have proof? nope just speculating. As said before we know it (IRA) yet we can't prove it.

BTW - 2008 March troops withdrawl has be actioned by US - Google news.
 
Oh of course they are but do we have proof? nope just speculating. As said before we know it (IRA) yet we can't prove it.

BTW - 2008 March troops withdrawl has be actioned by US - Google news.

I think there is actually Iranian proof we just dont know how far up the chain it goes
 
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