Devout Muslim dies after savage beating by 'race-hate' gang

[czgibson]

Greetings,

if not in the name of religion then why target an elderly Muslim?

You misunderstand. Let's try again:

As far as we know, these unpleasant thugs haven't said things along the lines of "We did it for Jesus" or "We did it because it is is the will of Buddha" or even "We did it because there is no god". Until they do, labelling them as "Christian terrorists", "Buddhist terrorists" or "atheist terrorists" or anything similar is premature at best and inflammatory at worst.

Peace

 

[جوري]

Greetings,


You misunderstand. Let's try again:

As far as we know, these unpleasant thugs haven't said things along the lines of "We did it for Jesus" or "We did it because it is is the will of Buddha" or even "We did it because there is no god". Until they do, labelling them as "Christian terrorists", "Buddhist terrorists" or "atheist terrorists" or anything similar is premature at best and inflammatory at worst.

Peace

No, I don't misunderstand.. you are simply a pedant who needs some abstraction and if you are inept at such an acquisition, then perhaps you should take yourself up on your own offer and engage folks who follow your level of 'intellect'? You certainly speak of it often enough, I wonder why you keep at this board engaging the same members?

You've nothing to offer me personally, and I really can do without your occasional self-congratulatory bombast!

If you didn't get it all along, then you won't get it now, spare any further platitudes on the matter!

all the best!

 

[Muezzin]

Inna lillaahi wa inna ilayhi raaji'oon.

Inshallah the culprits will be caught and punished to the full extent of the law.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

No, I don't misunderstand.. you are simply a pedant who needs some abstraction and if you are inept at such an acquisition, then perhaps you should take yourself up on your own offer and engage folks who follow your level of 'intellect'? You certainly speak of it often enough, I wonder why you keep at this board engaging the same members?

You've nothing to offer me personally, and I really can do without your occasional self-congratulatory bombast!

If you didn't get it all along, then you won't get it now, spare any further platitudes on the matter!

all the best!

I'm sure everyone can draw their own conclusions on the points you raise.

In any case, hopefully we can all agree that this is a horrific act regardless of the religion of any of the people involved in it.

Peace

 

[kawaiigardiner]

What else could they be so I can label them accordingly?
perhaps atheist terrorists?!

all the best

Ah, if you haven't realised yet - those of us living in the West are living in a post modern, post christian world with fewer and fewer affiliating themselves with organised religion.

 

[glo]

This is such a tragic story.

I haven't found any news updates, other than three teenagers (14 and 15-year-olds) being charged with murder.

Here is an image of Ekram Haque

And of his granddaughter Marian

I think it is difficult to hear such stories without crying out on the inside "WHY???"
It is horrible to think that in our society there live people (especially young people) who carry within them enough hatred and anger to commit such a pointless and cruel crime!

 

[glo]

In any case, hopefully we can all agree that this is a horrific act regardless of the religion of any of the people involved in it.

Peace

Amen to that, czgibson.

(Is it alright to say that to an atheist? )

 

[جوري]

Ah, if you haven't realised yet - those of us living in the West are living in a post modern, post christian world with fewer and fewer affiliating themselves with organised religion.

That is your own reality. People are prune to seeing what they want see of the world!
until such a time hypocrites free themselves from associating religion with heinous acts, I believe it should be made a Carte Blanche for all, to label the crime of whatever nature to the religious affiliations of the perpetrators whether meek or strong in conviction!
just so the double standards aren't so visible you can scoop it with a spoon~!


all the best

 

[kawaiigardiner]

That is your own reality. People are prune to seeing what they want see of the world!
until such a time hypocrites free themselves from associating religion with heinous acts, I believe it should be made a Carte Blanche for all, to label the crime of whatever nature to the religious affiliations of the perpetrators whether meek or strong in conviction!
just so the double standards aren't so visible you can scoop it with a spoon~!


all the best

So I assume that you don't claim that the invasion of Iraq by the United States as being part of a 'Christian Crusade' as some Muslims so eloquently put it on youtube? Its interesting how when there is a Muhammad cartoon all hell breaks lose but not a single thing when a Muslim distorts the truth and gives Islam a bad name.

 

[جوري]

So I assume that you don't claim that the invasion of Iraq by the United States as being part of a 'Christian Crusade' as some Muslims so eloquently put it on youtube? Its interesting how when there is a Muhammad cartoon all hell breaks lose but not a single thing when a Muslim distorts the truth and gives Islam a bad name.

You assume incorrectly. Doesn't logic dictate indeed from what I have just written that I'd and do consider the western invasion of Muslim land a crusade, as it in fact!

It isn't really that covert a statement and further of their own admission

see here:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2002/05/stealth-crusade

are you asserting a non-point by stating the obvious?
all hell should break loose indeed when kuffar assault Islam, the same way it does when someone questions the holocaust a five year endeavor from which the Muslims are still made to pay 60 yrs later.

Muslims who 'give Islam a bad name' I believe are held even without trial, again I fail to see your point.
I have to get up for work in four hours, this has been mildly amusing and all, but if we are done here, I'd rather be spared trite observations and derange the topic further by neglecting its essence which is a poor man beaten and murdered by brutes in front of his grandchild!

all the best

 

[kawaiigardiner]

You assume incorrectly. Doesn't logic dictate indeed from what I have just written that I'd and do consider the western invasion of Muslim land a crusade, as it in fact!

It isn't really that covert a statement and further of their own admission

see here:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2002/05/stealth-crusade

You West do you now equals the United States of America?

are you asserting a non-point by stating the obvious?
all hell should break loose indeed when kuffar assault Islam, the same way it does when someone questions the holocaust a five year endeavor from which the Muslims are still made to pay 60 yrs later.

Who is making Muslims pay the price - where are Muslims paying the price for the holocaust? How is a Muslim in New York or Chicago affected by something happening on the other side of the world? I suggest you put down Orientalism by Edward Said, you're starting to sound like someone feeling sorry for themselves.

Muslims who 'give Islam a bad name' I believe are held even without trial, again I fail to see your point.
I have to get up for work in four hours, this has been mildly amusing and all, but if we are done here, I'd rather be spared trite observations and derange the topic further by neglecting its essence which is a poor man beaten and murdered by brutes in front of his grandchild!

all the best

I think that your original post answers the first sentence of that paragraph.

 

[GreyKode]

So I assume that you don't claim that the invasion of Iraq by the United States as being part of a 'Christian Crusade' as some Muslims so eloquently put it on youtube? Its interesting how when there is a Muhammad cartoon all hell breaks lose but not a single thing when a Muslim distorts the truth and gives Islam a bad name.

No not a christian crusade in the first place, but on the other hand George W bush was a very religious christian, so its not unlikely that part of his plans were influenced by his religious beliefs.

 

[جوري]

You West do you now equals the United States of America?

That is a question you should pose for yourself as you are the one who made that assertion!

Who is making Muslims pay the price - where are Muslims paying the price for the holocaust? How is a Muslim in New York or Chicago affected by something happening on the other side of the world? I suggest you put down Orientalism by Edward Said, you're starting to sound like someone feeling sorry for themselves.

Muslims are one ummah, what affects folks in Indonesia affects me as an American, as for the rest of your query, like I said I don't have time nor interest to teach you history at 3:20 am, nor am I interested in reading books written by pedants for a particular target audience with substandard intellect.

all the best

 

[kawaiigardiner]

That is a question you should pose for yourself as you are the one who made that assertion!

I never made the assertion because when i talk about the West it includes United States, Europe, Canada and numerous other countries - although one would argue that New Zealand is a pacific country.

Muslims are one ummah, what affects folks in Indonesia affects me as an American, as for the rest of your query, like I said I don't have time nor interest to teach you history at 3:20 am, nor am I interested in reading books written by pedants for a particular target audience with substandard intellect.

all the best

And where is this out pouring for those being killed in Sudan? or the women who are forced to undergo female genital mutilation. Seems rather selective of you as to which crusades you're willing to get behind.

 

[جوري]

I never made the assertion because when i talk about the West it includes United States, Europe, Canada and numerous other countries - although one would argue that New Zealand is a pacific country.

Really, I must have imagined you writing this then:

Originally Posted by kawaiigardiner
Ah, if you haven't realised yet - those of us living in the West are living in a post modern, post christian world with fewer and fewer affiliating themselves with organised religion.

And where is this out pouring for those being killed in Sudan? or the women who are forced to undergo female genital mutilation. Seems rather selective of you as to which crusades you're willing to get behind.

You are confabulating? Female genital mutilation has nothing to do with Islam and in fact I have personally posted an entire article from Harvard on the matter that goes extensively into the history and epidemiology. Peer reviewed, you are welcome to read it and criticize it in a similar fashion providing us with some of your credentials on the matter, or dedicate yet another thread to it, however you are not welcome to waste my time or meander the thread!

all the best

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Ekram Haque, 67, lost his fight for life a week after he was battered to the ground in front of his three-year-old granddaughter, Marian.

omg, can u get any more low ?!

 

[kawaiigardiner]

omg, can u get any more low ?!

Unfortunately society has become more violent - people caring less and less about each other. Individuals using force, be it violence or political to stifle the rights of others under the guise of 'saving society' and 'for the collective interest'.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Its interesting how when there is a Muhammad cartoon all hell breaks lose but not a single thing when a Muslim distorts the truth and gives Islam a bad name.

are you for real? Muslims try to clear the misconceptions surrounding what is done in "Islams name" and yet these efforts go ignored by "anti islamist/anti Muslim" who are hell bent on emotively bringing up the same old rubbish, despite it being exaplined so many times.

so if people refuse to listen to the truth, it isnt anyone;s fault but theirs.

 

[kawaiigardiner]

are you for real? Muslims try to clear the misconceptions surrounding what is done in "Islams name" and yet these efforts go ignored by "anti islamist/anti Muslim" who are hell bent on emotively bringing up the same old rubbish, despite it being exaplined so many times.

so if people refuse to listen to the truth, it isnt anyone;s fault but theirs.

If you spent the time to read what I wrote; the point I was making is why there isn't the same sort of protests against terrorism to the same level as there was when the Muhammad cartoons were published?

You also seem to ignore several post following that one post - cherry picking for the sake of selective outrage.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

If you spent the time to read what I wrote; the point I was making is why there isn't the same sort of protests against terrorism to the same level as there was when the Muhammad cartoons were published?

i read what you wrote. it seems like you have missed my point. i dont see how the points in my previous post are invalid. what difference does it make in which way an issue is tackled. as long as it is, then who cares. as i said, if people choose to remain un-educated, its no ones fault but their own. you dont have to scream at the top of your lungs and march the streets to denounce something and get your point across.
think outside the box, rather then cherry pick.