Did Allah create life?

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Whatsthepoint said:
You can say god created all created things or everything but himself etc. Whereas God created eevrything does not seem to be a valid statement.
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God always was, is and always will be


God created everything and wasnt created.


God doesnt need to be a part of his creation.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
I didn't mean it in that way, I know muslims believe he is above creation or soemthing liek that.
Let me rephrase it...
Everything is everything there is. God is. God is a part of everything.
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I get you. Guys, what he is trying to say is that his "Everything" also includes God. So if God was not created how come "Everything" is created by God. He is trying to play with words which is rather useless. Lets' rephrase it then "God created almost every single thing in this world" basically implying God didn't not create himself and nor was he created.

If somehow I miss you too, than I am sorry.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
God always was, is and always will be
God created everything and wasnt created.
God doesnt need to be a part of his creation.
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Yes, I took it into consideration.
Yes, I took it into consideration.
I am not talking about the creation, I am talking about everything.
Reread the last couple of arguments of mine..
 
hmmm5 said:
I get you. Guys, what he is trying to say is that his "Everything" also includes God. So if God was not created how come "Everything" is created by God. He is trying to play with words which is rather useless. Lets' rephrase it then "God created almost every single thing in this world" basically implying God didn't not create himself and nor was he created.

If somehow I miss you too, than I am sorry.
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No, you got it!
I don't think it is useless, logic is all about words.

The Quan says many times that Allah is the crator of all things, every thing.
Now, all things can mean either everything or all things created..
 
Whatsthepoint said:
I am not talking about the creation, I am talking about everything.
Reread the last couple of arguments of mine..
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how can God be a part of everything when he was never created and is the creator?!


its not nice when people play with words like this.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
No, you got it!
I don't think it is useless, logic is all about words.

The Quan says many times that Allah is the crator of all things, every thing.
Now, all things can mean either everything or all things created..
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it means everything to the exclusion of God himself because God is not a "thing", and we are saying every "thing",


yeah i can play with words too dude
 
If god is not the creator of everything, omnicreator, is he still all-powerfull, omnipotent?...
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
how can God be a part of everything when he was never created and is the creator?!


its not nice when people play with words like this.
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We define everything as a group of objects that are, that exists.
God is.
God is a part of everything.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
If god is not the creator of everything, omnicreator, is he still all-powerfull, omnipotent?...
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again you are just playing with words.


let me ask, do you understand the concept of God being far above all created things?
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
it means everything to the exclusion of God himself because God is not a "thing", and we are saying every "thing",


yeah i can play with words too dude
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If you didn't notice, I aknowledged that option in my post.
What is a thing?
The literal translation of teh Quran says God created every thing, not all things, and many if not most islamic sites say he is the creator of everything.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
again you are just playing with words.


let me ask, do you understand the concept of God being far above all created things?
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I am not talking about created things, I talking about a logical peculiarity that arouses alongside with the existence of god. There are many others, they may be word plays, tehy may prove that a thing like god cannot exists...I don't know, I am an agnostic.:okay:
I'm not sure I understand the islamic version. Could you revise it for me?
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
nope, you define it as everything, we see God as far above the created, as he is the creator.
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but god and his creation still form something bigger, if nothing else, they form a sum of god and his creation, god+creation.

everything = {god, creation}
God created everthing.
1. Either god created god
2. Or god did not create every element in the group of everything, hence he did not create everything.
 
i cant help but feel your mocking now lol,


just accept that everything excludes God.


accept it dude
 
Sister-Ameena* said:
Well Allaah has no beginning or end, so you can't branch him under the same things as you've branched life and creations. He is the creator who brought forth the Universe and his beings to dwell in only to worship him.
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That Allah existed before life was created is a logical impossibility. If Allah has no begining or end, then life also has no begining or end.
 
Ladies and gents... please. There is a nonsense in this discussion and it goes in circles. Let's just all accept without mocking each other that we accept the other beliefs, and everything will be fine.
Anyway, it is not this thread, neither another one which will prrove to Atheists the existance of God.

We will all know it once we die. And please no ridiculous comment now à la 'Yeah, you will burn in hell', 'Oh yes, you will know it *giggle*' or silly smilies just to proove, the other is wrong.
Noone is wrong and we are all wrong. Happy now?

Let's shake hands...

Peace
 
K.Venugopal said:
That Allah existed before life was created is a logical impossibility. If Allah has no begining or end, then life also has no begining or end.
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just because you cant comprehend it doesnt make it false.

Allah is infinite, again you wont be able to comprehend that.

why dont you concentrate on what you can understand. Slowly develop your understanding, and then come back to this issue?
 
Sister-Ameena* said:
You're stating that it doesn't make sense for a creator to have lived before there was anything living, but if Allaah has no beginning or end then that means he's eternal. He is ever-Living, has always lived, and will continue to live.
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Yes, Allah is ever-living. Then why does the Quran say He created life?
 
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