Did Allah create life?

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Hi Venu...

Who created Shiv ? Do u have answer for that ....?
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Allah is immortal. He is neither born and nor does He die. - Akal Purakh.

He is indescribable, inestimable, indubitable, infallible, intangible, imperishable, immutable, immortal, immaculate, immanent, unconquerable, unique, formless, fearless, deathless, timeless, ageless, compassionate, omnipresent and creator of all.
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I agree Allah is immortal. Which means Allah always had life. Then why does the Quran say Allah created life?
 
K.Venugopal said:
That Allah existed before life was created is a logical impossibility. If Allah has no begining or end, then life also has no begining or end.
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Where does the Quran state that Allah is alive? Where does it state he created life?
It's more likely taht it says Allah exists, which is wrong. Perhaps the arabic version of the Quran says, Allah is, which is right...Perhaps it says something else.
It's been said before that Allah did not create life itself, existence itself (which may also be a logical fallacy...), but rather that he created all living things...
 
K.Venugopal said:
I agree Allah is immortal. Which means Allah always had life. Then why does the Quran say Allah created life?
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do you think the life of the omnipotent and the life of the created is the same?!

its just a case of the supreme creating the lesser...
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
do you think the life of the omnipotent and the life of the created is the same?!

its just a case of the supreme creating the lesser...
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That could be it.
but K.Venugopal's questions brings forth a lot of new questions, one of which we were discussing a couple of minutes ago.
 
why must life be created?
why must Allah exist?

you could ask so many questions, and for every question you'll get an answer. Its just grasping that answer which causes you difficulty!
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
why must life be created?
why must Allah exist?

you could ask so many questions, and for every question you'll get an answer. Its just grasping that answer which causes you difficulty!
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That's not the proper way to argue.
As I can say the same thing for you! But I won't..
PS: so far, I have not received a satisfactory answer as to why did god create the creation.
 
^ exactly, all these are questions which can indeed be asked. but they are not objective at all. Whats happened has happened, we should find out as much as we are capable of and then await a time which we have come to accept (ie afterlife) to ask further.

I think we have enough proof to get through life, the rest can wait.


This is my perspective
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Here's a nother one that comes to my mind: did god decide to exist?
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Now you're being silly! - There are people that believe, and those that don't. Fair enough.

God is the only thing that has existed, and shall exist when we all have departed. He can't be explained, or fathomed.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
^ exactly, all these are questions which can indeed be asked. but they are not objective at all. Whats happened has happened, we should find out as much as we are capable of and then await a time which we have come to accept (ie afterlife) to ask further.

I think we have enough proof to get through life, the rest can wait.


This is my perspective
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Mine is different. We're all different!
 
MustafaMc said:
To start with quote for me an ayat of the Qur'an or an authentic hadith that states "Allah created life".
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Surah 67.2 of the Quran:
YUSUFALI: He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;-
PICKTHAL: Who hath created life and death that He may try you which of you is best in conduct; and He is the Mighty, the Forgiving,
SHAKIR: Who created death and life that He may try you-- which of you is best in deeds; and He is the Mighty, the Forgiving,


MustafaMc said:
Allah created the creation including all living things. That is not to say that He created the "quality", the "principal", the "force" or the "organismic state" that characterizes living organisms and separates them from the dead.
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If Allah did not create "quality", the "principal", the "force" or the "organismic state", how did they come about?

MustafaMc said:
Allah created man from clay and breathed of His Spirit (life) into him Quran 38:71 ...
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My question is not whether Allah created man. My question is, "Did Allah create life?"
 
K.Venugopal said:
Surah 67.2 of the Quran:
YUSUFALI: He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;-
PICKTHAL: Who hath created life and death that He may try you which of you is best in conduct; and He is the Mighty, the Forgiving,
SHAKIR: Who created death and life that He may try you-- which of you is best in deeds; and He is the Mighty, the Forgiving,
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Where does it state he is alive?

If Allah did not create "quality", the "principal", the "force" or the "organismic state", how did they come about?
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It seems the Quran says he did create life, so Mustafa may be wrong..
 
- Qatada - said:
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Allah's attributes are different from human attributes, therefore to say that 'life' of humans is similar to how Allah is - is totally false. Since there is none like Him.


Therefore the statement itself is flawed, since the concept of living has a totally different context and meaning for God compared to humans and the rest of creation.
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Your answer is good. You are saying the 'life' of humans is different from the 'life' of Allah. But does the Quran specifically say so? Or can we imply from anything the Quran says that it is thus? I think to the best of human knowledge, life means just one thing. Is there anything like the life of a human being different from the life of, say, a cat? Mind you, I am not talking about the 'concept of living'. I am talking about life, that which enlivens you and me. Without this life, can Allah be alive?



- Qatada - said:
It's like saying - did Allah create speech? Yes, He created speech for humans, and mankind etc. However - His speech is not created since it is His attribute, and He did not create Himself - since He is Eternal without a beginning or end, and this is why He is Perfect, and this is why we take Him and believe in Him as God - since His Perfection implies His Lordship over His creatures who are dependant upon Him.
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The principle is, if something existed, then Allah cannot claim to have created it. Invention yes, but not creation.
 
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