Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

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The Centurion at the final hour before the celebration of Passover was to break the legs of all that were hanging on a cross. He was an expert who can tell if one was unconscious or dead. He would break the legs of those still alive so that the condemned couldn't push themselves up for air hence speed up the death process for them. He broke the legs of the two that were next to Jesus, but when he saw that Jesus was already dead, he didn't break His legs as a fulfillment to prophecy. Jesus was seen by hundreds of people after his resurrection including His disciples. His disciples even witnessed is ascension.
 
When Jesus died, the Centurion said after the earthquake, "This was truly the Son of God." After His death, the temple was rent and people came out of their graves.
 
Jesus (peace be upon him) didn't die therefore there was no resurrection. He was taken up by Allah, The True God.

wasalam
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There is a difference of opinion as to the exact interpretation of this verse. The words are: The Jews did not kill Jesus, but Allah raised him up (rafa'ahu...in Arabic) to Himself. Some people hold that Jesus did not die the usual human death, but still lives in the body in heaven, which is the generally accepted Muslim view. Another hold that he did die but not when he was supposed to be crucified, and that is being "raised up" unto Allah means that instead of being disgraced as a malefactor, as the Jews intended, he was on the contrary honoured by Allah Almighty as His Messenger. The same word (rafa'a) is used in association with honour in connection with Al Mustafa (Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him).
 
Here is what Noble Verse 19:33 states: "So peace is upon me [Jesus] the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life." Trinitarian Christians believe that Jesus was GOD Himself, or part of GOD, came to earth, was crucified on the cross to purify our sins and then raised from death back to life and went up to heaven until he will come back again to this earth. The Noble Quran does not in anyway support this theory!. We Muslims believe that Jesus was born from a Noble Virgin; Mary the Virgin, preached the word of GOD to the people of Israel, raised to Allah Almighty alive (even though he might have been put on the cross, but never actually died), will come back to earth again to fight the army of Satan and then die a natural death and then be raised again back to life from death as we all do in the Day of Judgement. Some Muslim scholars say that Jesus not being crucified in Noble Verse 4:157 means that he was put on the cross but didn't die, and others say that it means that he was not put on the cross itself and never died either. There are some Christian sects such as the Basilidans, the Docetate and the Marcionite do not believe that Jesus was put on the cross.

Either way, it doesn't really matter whether he was put on the cross or not. The more important point is that Jesus never died according to Islam. There is a similar Verse to 19:33 in the Noble Quran that was mentioned to another Messenger of GOD: "So peace on him [Yahya, or John the Baptist] the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that he will be raised up to life! (The Noble Quran, 19:15)" This Noble Verse (19:15) is similar to 19:33, where it does not at all state that any Messenger of GOD was crucified or will die twice!. The reason why no Messenger of GOD will ever die twice is because Allah Almighty said clearly in His Noble Book that every soul He creates (this includes all of His Messengers and Prophets even Jesus) shall taste death once; "Nor will they [all humans who end up in heaven] there taste death, except the first death; and He will preserve them from the penalty of the blazing fire. (The Noble Quran, 44:56)".
 
My problem with penal substitution boils down to (accepting Jesus is God) then:

After creating sinful man,Jesus contrived to get himself topped because only the spilling of his own blood could appease him from the wrath of Himself and cleanse the sin he had made.

Which obviously makes sense to hundreds of millions of peeps out there, but it dosnt automatically float my boat.
 
This is sort of an odd question to pose. Of course Christians confidently believe this was the case, but Muslims will not see it this way. I would assume you already knew the answers you would get to this question, so if I may ask, what was the reason for asking this question?
 
barney said:
Meh... Its a good debate. i'm up for it!
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What exactly is there to debate though? Christians believe Christ died and rose again, and Muslims don't. The only "debate" you will get out of this is argument for the sake of argument.
 
alapiana1 said:
. Jesus was seen by hundreds of people after his resurrection including His disciples. His disciples even witnessed is ascension.
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Actually, according to Jesus Himself, (as per Biblical text), he was NOT resurrected on Sunday morning. Remember He said to Mary Magdalene:, "Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended unto the father."

There are 2 types of resurrections: Spiritual and Physical. Lazareth being the example of a physical resurrection. He still needed to eat, breathe, etc., to be alive. A spiritual resurrection, as described by Jesus, pbuh, means you are like the angels and you die no more. Meaning you only die the once and you cannot die again. Like the angels...no need of food, water, etc., to sustain them.

According to Biblical text he was very much alive when he appeared before the apostles. And what did he say? He told them they should not be afraid because he was not a ghost, "A spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see me have." He told them to touch him and then asked for food. This to show them he was very much alive and not dead. So, we know he was not spiritually resurrected. We know Lazareth had to die again to be spiritually resurrected....so, when did Jesus die again so he could be spiritually resurrected?

Peace,
Hana
 
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Weeell, If one of us can put up a convincing arguement that he diddnt. (which will be tricky because all the evidence for and against is 2007 years old) then We may be able to convert some christians over to the Church of Agnosticism. My roof needs repairs, and the extra alms cash would be really handy.
 
Keltoi said:
What exactly is there to debate though? Christians believe Christ died and rose again, and Muslims don't. The only "debate" you will get out of this is argument for the sake of argument.
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true............close the thread close the thread close thread..............just kiddin:D
 
barney said:
My problem with penal substitution boils down to (accepting Jesus is God) then:

After creating sinful man,Jesus contrived to get himself topped because only the spilling of his own blood could appease him from the wrath of Himself and cleanse the sin he had made.

Which obviously makes sense to hundreds of millions of peeps out there, but it dosnt automatically float my boat.
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Not all Christians believe in "Penal Substitution..."

By the way, God created man in His image and called man "good..." God does not create junk!!! God is not the source of evil.

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius:-[
 
NoName55 said:
NO
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WaSalaamyou should be made to give a refence for every claim you make
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You are right I should be made to give references. Is there any one in particular you want. It is a lot of work to find what i already know about what is written in the Bible; nevertheless, references will be given apon request. You have already asked me to cite the references on the deity of Jesus and His claims to being God, but you stop responding to that post after I gave the references. If Jesus didn't die and rise from the dead like all the eye witnesses claim, then us Christians are the most miserable people in the world. But if He did, there is going to be a great and terrible day of the Lord for the non-believer and those who don't believe He died and rose again or that he is the Son of God.
 
FBI said:
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Simple answer No according to islam
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The Devil isn't really doing a very good job convincing people that Jesus never existed. It is written that even the devils believe and fear with trembling. If he didn't rise from the dead, how do you explain all the witnesses that saw Him after His resurrection? The greatest trick the devil ever pulled my friendwas to convince people that Jesus is not their only hope to glory!!!
 
alapiana1 said:
The Devil isn't really doing a very good job convincing people that Jesus never existed. It is written that even the devils believe and fear with trembling. If he didn't rise from the dead, how do you explain all the witnesses that saw Him after His resurrection? The greatest trick the devil ever pulled my friendwas to convince people that Jesus is not their only hope to glory!!!
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it is back to preaching again! as well as accusing other faiths, who disagree with him, of following the devil :(
 

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