Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

[Aprender]

When it comes to the things of God, it is better to trust His word over human reason or logic.

Oh. I see our old friend burninglight is back from the banned. I remember you used this argument a lot to explain away the errors and contradictions in the Bible...yeah. I'm sorry you think this way.

 

[جوري]

When it comes to the things of God, it is better to trust His word over human reason or logic. As high as the heavens are from the earth are His ways and his thoughts above ours. His ways are passed finding out!

Indeed.. but what word to take?
Enjoy this fabulous christian quiz:

http://exchristian.net/3/

Doesn't seem like one can take this religion under any circumstance, logic or faith for it falters on both!

best,

 

[YusufNoor]

When it comes to the things of God, it is better to trust His word over human reason or logic. As high as the heavens are from the earth are His ways and his thoughts above ours. His ways are passed finding out!

absolutely agree! HOWEVER, one must be certain the something IS the word of God! the New Testament is the word of men, NOT the word of God! the only author in it that scholars agree on are 7 books attributed to Paul, who claims:

Galatians 1:11-12: 11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it...

in others words, he is NOT teaching the Gospel that was preached by the disciples of Jesus!

good to know, eh?

 

[Redeemed]

absolutely agree! HOWEVER, one must be certain the something IS the word of God! the New Testament is the word of men, NOT the word of God! the only author in it that scholars agree on are 7 books attributed to Paul, who claims:

Galatians 1:11-12: 11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it...

in others words, he is NOT teaching the Gospel that was preached by the disciples of Jesus!

good to know, eh?

I'm glad you agree with me, but according to the Quran 4 171 Jesus is the word of God (Allah) not just His messenger. Of course the Bible doesn't consider Jesus to be God's messenger; it considers Him to be the message.
The Islamic recitation was suppose to confirm the Scripture that came before, and it does on this very significant point: Jesus is the word of God Look at Quran 4 171: Sahih International
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

 

[جوري]

I'm glad you agree with me, but according to the Quran 4 171 Jesus is the word of God (Allah) not just His messenger. Of course the Bible doesn't consider Jesus to be God's messenger; it considers Him to be the message. Thank you
The Islamic recitation was suppose to confirm the Scripture that came before, and it does on this very significant point: Jesus is the word of God Look at Quran 4 171: Sahih International
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

That's the way God conducts his affairs. He says 'Be' and it is!
Al-Baqara (The Cow) [2:117] [RECITE]

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BadeeAAu alssamawati waalardi waitha qada amran fainnama yaqoolu lahu kun fayakoonu​

2:117 To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: When He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: "Be," and it is.

[FONT=Verdana,arial]Al-Imran (The Family of Imran)[3:59] [RECITE]

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Inna mathala AAeesa AAinda Allahi kamathali adama khalaqahu min turabin thumma qala lahu kun fayakoonu​

3:59 The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.
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That's how everything came to be including Adam whose being is even more miraculous than Jesus (P) in fact many 'Be' in the Quran are pretty miraculous!
Glad you're reading the Quran - it is a good start. Try to read it and discern it not from kaffir sites, that's if you're hoping to engage Muslims with it. If you desire to engage other kaffirs then by all means perpetuate all sorts of nonsense that you've convinced yourself of!

best,
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[جوري]

Actually, according to Jesus Himself, (as per Biblical text), he was NOT resurrected on Sunday morning. Remember He said to Mary Magdalene:, "Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended unto the father."

There are 2 types of resurrections: Spiritual and Physical. Lazareth being the example of a physical resurrection. He still needed to eat, breathe, etc., to be alive. A spiritual resurrection, as described by Jesus, pbuh, means you are like the angels and you die no more. Meaning you only die the once and you cannot die again. Like the angels...no need of food, water, etc., to sustain them.

According to Biblical text he was very much alive when he appeared before the apostles. And what did he say? He told them they should not be afraid because he was not a ghost, "A spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see me have." He told them to touch him and then asked for food. This to show them he was very much alive and not dead. So, we know he was not spiritually resurrected. We know Lazareth had to die again to be spiritually resurrected....so, when did Jesus die again so he could be spiritually resurrected?

Peace,
Hana

We'd love to have you back Hana (I miss you)
but I don't think the poor sap read your excellent reply or any of the other ones that contradict his whims..

 

[TG123]

The Centurion at the final hour before the celebration of Passover was to break the legs of all that were hanging on a cross. He was an expert who can tell if one was unconscious or dead. He would break the legs of those still alive so that the condemned couldn't push themselves up for air hence speed up the death process for them. He broke the legs of the two that were next to Jesus, but when he saw that Jesus was already dead, he didn't break His legs as a fulfillment to prophecy. Jesus was seen by hundreds of people after his resurrection including His disciples. His disciples even witnessed is ascension.

Yes He did. Hallelujah!

 

[UUSeeker]

In Socinian Unitarian theology, Jesus was a wise man, a sage if you would, and possibly a prophet. But he was not divine.
The first of the gospels to be written was that of Mark, who never mentioned anything about resurrection. His story ended with the death of Jesus.
It is believed the portions of the gospels that do discuss a resurrection were added after the fact.
While there may still be some Unitarians who believe Jesus rose from the dead, I would venture to say that the majority do not,

Peace,

Seeker

 

[Hulk]

Why would anyone worship Jesus(pbuh) when he himself worshipped God. Please if you claim to believe that there is only one God then worship Him and Him alone. Do not ascribe any partners to Him. Don't give excuses for illogical thinking. God gave us intelligence to use, not to put aside.