Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

[Keltoi]

Sorry i meant In it....not eat lol

What "pagan" rituals are you referring to?

 

[Ibn-Muktadir]

The pagans use to celebrate the sun winnining over the datk about the time that easter is celebrated. Also what all this eggs and chiken and easter bunny? does this have christian roots?

 

[NoName55]

The pagans use to celebrate the sun winnining over the dark

Thank You. I've learned some thing new today
and there was me thinking it was to do with feast of goddess of fertility (but both are true)

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Origins of the name "Easter":[/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE.) a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Similar Goddesses were known by other names in ancient cultures around the Mediterranean, and were celebrated in the springtime. Some were: [/FONT]

• [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Aphrodite from ancient Cyprus[/FONT]
• [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Ashtoreth from ancient Israel[/FONT]
• [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Astarté[/FONT] from ancient Greece
• [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Demeter from Mycenae[/FONT]
• [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Hathor from ancient Egypt[/FONT]
• [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Ishtar from Assyria[/FONT]
• [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Kali, from India[/FONT]
• [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Ostara a Norse Goddess of fertility.[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Easter Sunday
An alternative explanation has been suggested. The name given by the Frankish church to Jesus' resurrection festival included the Latin word "alba" which means "white." (This was a reference to the white robes that were worn during the festival.) "Alba" also has a second meaning: "sunrise." When the name of the festival was translated into German, the "sunrise" meaning was selected in error. This became "ostern" in German. Ostern has been proposed as the origin of the word "Easter". There are two popular beliefs about the origin of the English word "Sunday."[/FONT]

• [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]It is derived from the name of the Scandinavian sun Goddess Sunna (a.k.a. Sunne, Frau Sonne). [/FONT]
• [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]It is derived from "Sol," the Roman God of the Sun." Their phrase "Dies Solis" means "day of the Sun." The Christian saint Jerome (d. 420) commented "If it is called the day of the sun by the pagans, we willingly accept this name, for on this day the Light of the world arose, on this day the Sun of Justice shone forth." [/FONT]

 

[Keltoi]

The pagans use to celebrate the sun winnining over the datk about the time that easter is celebrated. Also what all this eggs and chiken and easter bunny? does this have christian roots?

The Easter bunny and the colored eggs are remnants of the old Saxon holiday honoring their goddess Ostara. When Christianity became the dominant religion in Europe, these cultural practices were found difficult to stamp out completely, so they were incorporated into the larger celebration of Christ's resurrection. As a consequence, people are still hunting Easter eggs and talking about a large rabbit, even though it has nothing to do with the Christian holiday. Now it is simply a secular offshoot to the more traditional reasons for the holiday. My church has actually stopped calling the holiday Easter, and now refers to it as "Resurrection Day."

 

[dougmusr]

The pagans use to celebrate the sun winnining over the datk about the time that easter is celebrated. Also what all this eggs and chiken and easter bunny? does this have christian roots?

I think this is an interesting reference related to the sun and darkness.

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 494:

Narrated Ibn Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "When the (upper) edge of the sun appears (in the morning), don't perform a prayer till the sun appears in full, and when the lower edge of the sun sets, don't perform a prayer till it sets completely. And you should not seek to pray at sunrise or sunset for the sun rises between two sides of the head of the devil (or Satan)."

 

[Redeemed]

Peace,

i am only going to address part of this as i need to go lie dow for a while. But this caught my eye and I know I would never get any sleep with it on my mind.





no, but the early Christians that came to Saudi Arabia taught that the Trinity was Jesus(as) Mary and Gabriel.


That is what causes confusion to some people first learning the belifs of Islam. they twist it and say Muslims believe Jesus(as) is Gabriel




That is exactly what we believe.

But to be honest I am fully satisfied that the Qur'an is the word, I have no personal need to prove the Bible is false. The Qur'an is the Truth, the light and the way. Allah(swt) is the door to Allah(swt) and he sent us clear instructions on how to follow the path he has paved for us. The Glorious Qur'an is the true word of Allah(swt) and the true instructions on how to reach Jannah.

I escaped from the sin of shirk and count my blessings that I was led to the truth and am no longer a victim of mistaken beliefs.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I thought they thought he was the angel Gabriel.
I understand your convictions as well. I will stay in prayer over the great unfortunate clash we have believing in one God of truth our only Creator but no unity, because we see Him differently through totally different glasses.

 

[Redeemed]

I think this is an interesting reference related to the sun and darkness.

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 494:

Narrated Ibn Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "When the (upper) edge of the sun appears (in the morning), don't perform a prayer till the sun appears in full, and when the lower edge of the sun sets, don't perform a prayer till it sets completely. And you should not seek to pray at sunrise or sunset for the sun rises between two sides of the head of the devil (or Satan)."

Christians have the freedom to pray anytime anywhere. I Thank God for that.

 

[NoName55]

we see Him differently through totally different glasses

You need to sue your optician

^ attempt at humor ^

 

[Woodrow]

Christians have the freedom to pray anytime anywhere. I Thank God for that.

That is a very valid question about our beliefs. I honestly can understand where you are coming from. After I reverted and began to get familiar about the prayer times it struck me as being very odd that there were times we we told not to pray.

I was quite confused about that. One second I'm told that we are to pray incessantly every thought and deed should be a prayer, all we do should be a prayer and then out of no where I get hit with that there are times we should not pray. That confused me.

As you may know we have 5 times per day when we are required to pray. each of those prayers are set for a specific time frame. There is a few minutes lee way in our saying those prayers. we are not pegged down to an exact minute. Those forbidden times are times that do not count as any of the required prayers. If we pray at those times it is not seen as filling our obligation for any of the required prayers.

A better way of explaining that would be to simply say any prayer said at those times does not count as a mandatory prayer. If we pray at that minute it does not count as one of the 5 obligatory prayers. If i were to say 6 prayers in a day and 2 of them were during those times I would be seen as having only said 4 prayers that day and I have missed a required prayer.




I probably confused you more with my long explanation.

 

[Redeemed]

You need to sue your optician

^ attempt at humor ^

No need to do that. My optician has never made a mistake with my eyes. I would surely lose the case.

 

[Redeemed]

That is a very valid question about our beliefs. I honestly can understand where you are coming from. After I reverted and began to get familiar about the prayer times it struck me as being very odd that there were times we we told not to pray.

I was quite confused about that. One second I'm told that we are to pray incessantly every thought and deed should be a prayer, all we do should be a prayer and then out of no where I get hit with that there are times we should not pray. That confused me.

As you may know we have 5 times per day when we are required to pray. each of those prayers are set for a specific time frame. There is a few minutes lee way in our saying those prayers. we are not pegged down to an exact minute. Those forbidden times are times that do not count as any of the required prayers. If we pray at those times it is not seen as filling our obligation for any of the required prayers.

A better way of explaining that would be to simply say any prayer said at those times does not count as a mandatory prayer. If we pray at that minute it does not count as one of the 5 obligatory prayers. If i were to say 6 prayers in a day and 2 of them were during those times I would be seen as having only said 4 prayers that day and I have missed a required prayer.




I probably confused you more with my long explanation.

I knew about the 5 times a day, but I didn't know that it won't count as a mandatory pray if not done at the right time. What happens if you miss mandatory prayer on a regular basis? With us all prayer counts. I am ashamed to say that I don't pray as much as I should. I am hoping to change that.

 

[Redeemed]

The truth, no pun intended, is that the Qu'ran doesn't represent the truth to me, and the Bible doesn't represent the truth to Muslims. We aren't going to change anyone's mind here. If the two faiths are ever going to be able to coexist, we will have to concentrate on what makes us similar and not different.

It amazes me that Christians and Muslims can dialogue so much when there is so little in common. If we can't change anyone's mind about what the truth is, then what good does it do to concentrate on what we have in common? With man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible. I am not going to lie and say I don’t have intentions of winning someone to Christ with God’s help. I believe with all my heart that I have found a pearl of great price. To keep my mouth shut is to sin. I have forsaken all that I own to go out and be involved in missions. My family disowned me for giving away all my earthly possessions. God, however, has blessed me with a hundred fold. God has told me through His word to share the gospel. Jesus said, "So likewise who so ever he be of you that forsakes not all that he has he cannot be my disciple." I am confused as to why Muslims honor Christ as a prophet and do not believe what He says about Himself being the only way to heaven. He said, “No man comes to the Father except by me.” It is written that no one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws Him. I know you know these things; nevertheless, this part is for Muslim viewers.

 

[Redeemed]

The truth is both faiths cannot coexist!

 

[Woodrow]

I knew about the 5 times a day, but I didn't know that it won't count as a mandatory pray if not done at the right time. What happens if you miss mandatory prayer on a regular basis? With us all prayer counts. I am ashamed to say that I don't pray as much as I should. I am hoping to change that.

Prayer is taken very serious. Off course there can be extenuating circumstances as to why a person can not pray at the specific time and we can make those missed prayers up, if we have a valid reason for having missed them.

Prayer is taken so seriously that a person known to miss prayers on a regular basis can be seen as not adhering to Islam and it can be questioned if the person is truly a Muslim. There are only very rare times that we can say that a person who once stated being a Muslim, can be called a Non-Muslim and one of those times is if there are reliable witnesses that can say the person does not follow the required prayers.

In to be a Muslim a person must adhere to the 5 Pillars of faith. Prayer is one of the pillars. Failure to comply with any of the pillars without just cause is sufficient to consider the person as not being a Muslim.

Here is an easy to understand explanation of what the 5 pillars are:

http://media.putfile.com/Pillars-of-Faith

 

[Redeemed]

Do you think that God would shame his messenger by letting the Jews kill him? No rather he was saved and taken up so that he could complete his life afterwards. Think about it! Many phrophets have come and gone, they have all faced challenges and pain in the world, but do you think that God would allow Jesus to be shamed and murdered like this! Anyway i find christianity to be fillled with confusion and pagan ritiuals....any denials?

yes

 

[dougmusr]

Do you think that God would shame his messenger by letting the Jews kill him? No rather he was saved and taken up so that he could complete his life afterwards. Think about it! Many phrophets have come and gone, they have all faced challenges and pain in the world, but do you think that God would allow Jesus to be shamed and murdered like this! Anyway i find christianity to be fillled with confusion and pagan ritiuals....any denials?

So am I to understand that devotion to God which leads to ones death is a shame? Why do you think God would permit killing of many of the prophets and protect Jesus? Was He special? If so how?

 

[NoName55]

So am I to understand that devotion to God which leads to ones death is a shame?

So am I to understand that he was someone devoted to God thus willing to be killed

 

[Woodrow]

It amazes me that Christians and Muslims can dialogue so much when there is so little in common. If we can't change anyone's mind about what the truth is, then what good does it do to concentrate on what we have in common? With man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible. I am not going to lie and say I don’t have intentions of winning someone to Christ with God’s help. I believe with all my heart that I have found a pearl of great price. To keep my mouth shut is to sin. I have forsaken all that I own to go out and be involved in missions. My family disowned me for giving away all my earthly possessions. God, however, has blessed me with a hundred fold. God has told me through His word to share the gospel. Jesus said, "So likewise who so ever he be of you that forsakes not all that he has he cannot be my disciple." I am confused as to why Muslims honor Christ as a prophet and do not believe what He says about Himself being the only way to heaven. He said, “No man comes to the Father except by me.” It is written that no one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws Him. I know you know these things; nevertheless, this part is for Muslim viewers.

It amazes me that Christians and Muslims can dialogue so much when there is so little in common. If we can't change anyone's mind about what the truth is, then what good does it do to concentrate on what we have in common? With man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

The key is the willingness to agree to disagree with mutual dignity and tolerance. Peace does not require agreement of beliefs. But, it does require a desire not to infringe upon another person's beliefs without just cause.

Yes, we do both believe that the other person is in gross error and is at high risk of facing hellfire. The fact is both of our scriptures exclude the other. Although I believe you are in very grave error, I do respect your sincerity and believe your intentions are good. Like you I also become angered and frustrated. It is my desire that you would cast aside your errors and accept the truth. But, that is only my desires and I have no power to make you be what you have no desire to be. Like you I also believe I have found a Pearl of Great Price. Like you I also will not keep my mouth shut. However, I do accept that all that will be is the will of Allah(swt) and if a person chooses to truly be a servant of Allah(swt) that can only be his choice between him and Allah(swt)

I too have a strong need to Share the Gospel. However the Gospel as it was revealed to Isa(as) as the Injil no longer exists except in small scattered fragments and mixed with fallacies.

I am confused as to why Muslims honor Christ as a prophet and do not believe what He says about Himself being the only way to heaven. He said, “No man comes to the Father except by me.” It is written that no one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws Him. I know you know these things; nevertheless, this part is for Muslim viewers.

We honor Isa(as) as a much beloved Prophet. we do not honor the rest said about Him, because Isa(as) never said those things. Those are words from a book that we know that has been corrupted and is full of fallacies.

The simple fact is we believe the Qur'an is the true word of Allah(swt) and that the Bible is from other sources. We believe that any preachings that try to lead us from the Qur'an are the path to Hellfire if we follow them.

i know that you feel you are doing your best to spread the truth and that you sincerily believe what you say.

But, I believe you need to wake up cast away the fallacies and become a true servant of Allah(swt). It is far better to be a slave of Allah(swt) than to become a master of deceit.

As Muslims we do firmly believe that any who follow your words will be cast out as an unbeliever and Isa(as) will testify against them on judgement day and they shall be cast into the hellfire.

I know those are offensive words to a Christian and it is not my desire to offend you or anyone as a person. But, as Muslims that is what we genuinely know and we know that if we were to accept the myth you are attempting to spread we will be in hellfire.

 

[i_m_tipu]

The key is the willingness to agree to disagree with mutual dignity and tolerance. Peace does not require agreement of beliefs. But, it does require a desire not to infringe upon another person's beliefs without just cause..........

MasAllah..

Islam does not mean blind faith. But yes when u find and judge anything is pure and logical than u can follow blindly.

I can give u an example.
Suppose ur child is sick.
What you do?
Do you come to an engineer or a doctor?
Obviously u will go to a doctor and not only that u also search a better quality of doctor.

After you find and ur logic says the doctor is reliable than u gone a take that doctor’s given medicine blindly.

And it is not a blind faith.

You can call it logical blind faith.

Similarly everyone either he is a Christian or a Jews or a Hindu or a Muslim or wherever He/ She is coming from should know His/ Her Authentic religious scripture. Not depending blindly on the saying of peoples.

If u wants the truth you have to search for urself. If u sincere by heart for to know the truth.

InsAllah (God willing) HE (ur Creator) will guide the straight path of salvation.

 

[SATalha]

The Easter bunny and the colored eggs are remnants of the old Saxon holiday honoring their goddess Ostara. When Christianity became the dominant religion in Europe, these cultural practices were found difficult to stamp out completely, so they were incorporated into the larger celebration of Christ's resurrection. As a consequence, people are still hunting Easter eggs and talking about a large rabbit, even though it has nothing to do with the Christian holiday. Now it is simply a secular offshoot to the more traditional reasons for the holiday. My church has actually stopped calling the holiday Easter, and now refers to it as "Resurrection Day."

i think is what is confusing the brother. bcoz Islam is unique in the sense it does not incorporate any paganism, that is why the bro find it hard to believe that other elements would be accpeted by christians. this is a major sin in Islam and that is why its so hard to accept that Christians will alow other pagan ritiuals to be mixed in.