Did Jesus Die on the Cross?

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As far as i know, Christians believe Jesus is God May God Forbid

Jesus raised his hands in the air and prayed, he worshipped his Lord, and so basically what i dont understand is its your book and your supposed to read it, so has that not like bothered you? That Jesus prayed to God according to your faith God prays to God?

Btw Have you heard of the Gospel of Barnabas? i think you reject that gospel as many other Christians do, since its the oldest scripture.

As far as it concerns me Jesus was a Muslim and he was a servant of his Lord, the creation of his Lord, a servant who was able to do miracles through the authority of his Lord, and thats mentioned in your bible. SubhaanAllaah (Glory be to Allaah)
 
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I believe Jesus is God because people don't willingly die for what they know to be a lie. Paul was martyred for his testimony and said he was with Peter for 15 days, who imparted these truths to him as did James, the brother of Jesus and John. Moreover, we have dozens of texts that speak of his death and resurrection in the first 150 years of his death, and not one text saying Jesus didn't die on the cross, so you shouldn't blame me for going with the evidence.
 
I was also thinking the martyrdom of the saints was that of Stephen who before he was martyred spoke clearly of the death and resurrection of Jesus. James the Greater was martyred too in Acts.
 
Parture said:
You have a theory but you have no evidence for you theory, and all the evidence goes against your theory, so no reasonable person should believe it. If this was a court of law your case would be thrown out.
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Need you be reminded this is an Islamic forum. The only scripture accept as being the full unaltered truth is the Qur'an. If you are going to use any other source as proof. Prove first your source is correct and does not violate Islamic teachings.

I do try to be patient and do allow non-Muslims to speak what they believe, but the minute they start preaching in violation of the truth of the Qur'an I do become very impatient and demand solid verifiable proof before any statement is posted.

In plain English, if you can not prove to me what you say is true and verifiable, expect your erroneous teachings to evaporate from this forum.

You are not on a publically owned forum, this is an Islamic Forum, owned and paid for by Muslims. Freedom of speech ends when it violates the rules we have set up in the FAQ section. Obey the rules or find the exit door.

I do try to treat our non-Muslim members better than I have been treated on any Christian forum and I have been banned from a very large number of them.
 
Woodrow said:
Need you be reminded this is an Islamic forum. The only scripture accept as being the full unaltered truth is the Qur'an. If you are going to use any other source as proof. Prove first your source is correct and does not violate Islamic teachings.

I do try to be patient and do allow non-Muslims to speak what they believe, but the minute they start preaching in violation of the truth of the Qur'an I do become very impatient and demand solid verifiable proof before any statement is posted.

In plain English, if you can not prove to me what you say is true and verifiable, expect your erroneous teachings to evaporate from this forum.

You are not on a publically owned forum, this is an Islamic Forum, owned and paid for by Muslims. Freedom of speech ends when it violates the rules we have set up in the FAQ section. Obey the rules or find the exit door.

I do try to treat our non-Muslim members better than I have been treated on any Christian forum and I have been banned from a very large number of them.
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But the Koran is wrong because it violates the proof that Jesus died on the cross. We have 45 ancient sources, most of which speak of Jesus' death, but not one of them speak his non-death within the first 150 years after the cross. It's a closed and shut case. You can't ask for better evidence than this and not only from the disciples themselves but those who personally knew the disciples report the same fact. Muslims reject atonement as do most people in the world because they don't want to be saved God's way.

All vBulletin forums are paid by someone and publically owned by someone.
 
Moreover, we have dozens of texts that speak of his death and resurrection in the first 150 years of his death, and not one text saying Jesus didn't die on the cross, so you shouldn't blame me for going with the evidence.
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Not one text? What about the gnostic gospels of Peter and Judas? I believe both of these gospels were written early and both said that he was not crucified.

Peace.
 
You must allow for commentary from Matthew, Luke, Mark, James, John, Peter, Jude, Paul, Polycarp, Clement of Rome, because they were in a better position to know than anyone since they were either the original eyewitness and friends of Jesus or knew those first Apostles personally.

It gets even better. Those who said they knew Clement of Rome and Polcarp report that Polycarp and Clement of Rome received the gospel from the original disciples.

You can't ask for a better proof than this.

Now if you want to reject the best proof you can ask for, then you can see why God says you are without excuse.
 
Here is a little more to think about from a logical perspective. This is taken from another site:

From a logical perspective:


If you are a prophet of God, sent down by God, then your 'death' need not take place. God is All Powerful - He sent Jesus (peace be upon him) with the Great News for the Jews, by IMMACULATE CONCEPTION. So, God in His power can take the soul or body or both of a prophet BACK TO HIM at any time. This point negates the subsequent points made 'from a Christian perspective' that appear above.
The idea of 'atoning for sins' is baseless in monotheism. It is one that has been taken from polytheistic teachings. LOGICALLY speaking, God intends that man follow a righteous path. God does not give free rein to mankind to commit all kinds of sins, large or small, and then come back to Him, simply on the basis that 'Jesus loves you'. Who is Jesus above God anyway? What did Jesus create? Creation is with the Creator, God Almighty.

Now, consider that Saul of Tarsus was an enemy of Jesus and his teachings. Think about it for a while - an insidious, deceitful type, his 'enlightenment' on the road to Damascus, and his self proclaimed 'Sainthood' goes a long way to helping us understand just HOW MUCH THE TEACHINGS OF THE GREAT PROPHET JESUS were distorted by human, and unGodly, influence. Saul (later Paul) was a clever politician, who managed to show the way for the Roman polytheist power base to nip the ONE GOD teachings that Jesus' followers were calling people to, after Jesus had returned to His Lord. In this way, a 'New' Christianity came about, ratified at the Council of Nicea under the very polytheist Constantine. And this is the Christianity that we now know today, something that is very much tainted with Polytheism - festivals, weekdays, catecisms of 'Father, Son and Holy Ghost' - and ROMANISM.

JESUS WAS BY NO MEANS A DECEIVER, BUT PEOPLE LIKE PAUL, WITH HIS ULTERIOR MOTIVES, WERE.

God Almighty has absolutely no difficulty in tricking a few Roman guards, or the whole Jewish nation should HE so choose
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Parture said:
But the Koran is wrong because it violates the proof that Jesus died on the cross. We have 45 ancient sources, most of which speak of Jesus' death, but not one of them speak his non-death within the first 150 years after the cross. It's a closed and shut case. You can't ask for better evidence than this and not only from the disciples themselves but those who personally knew the disciples report the same fact. Muslims reject atonement as do most people in the world because they don't want to be saved God's way.

All vBulletin forums are paid by someone and publically owned by someone.
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You are clerly without a doubt trying to promote Christianity on this forum. That is a clear violation of forum rules. I overlooked much, but I can no longer ignore your flagrant diregard for the forum rules.

Hasta La Vista Amigo
 
Salam Alaikum Brother Woodrow:

You should have let him stay. From what I read, he was doing more to prove the false doctrine followed by Christians today than promoting it. :)
 
Hana_Aku said:
Salam Alaikum Brother Woodrow:

You should have let him stay. From what I read, he was doing more to prove the false doctrine followed by Christians today than promoting it. :)
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... And I missed all the fun :(
 
excellent job as always br. Yusuf, I enjoy subscribing to your threads.. it will spare me a great deal of work later, as these bible thumpers crop often..
 

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