Did Jesus (p) Deny Being God?

"O people of the book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was [no more or less than] a messenger of Allah, and His word, which he bestowed upon Mary, and a spirit preceding from Him: so believe in Allah and his messengers. Say not "Three": desist!, it is better for you, for Allah is one god, Glory be to Him, Far exalted is He above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and the earth. And enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs."
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:) it's such a beautifull verse. isn't it?
 
I have been "sort of" reading along on this thread a bit. I would like to offer some insight into the question raised by the title of the thread.

I have been reluctant to do so because I am still just a beginer concerning Islam.

If I could get a few simple questions answered it would be most helpful in allowing me to offer what ever in-sight I may have.

The first question would be about any common ground we might have so that we have a recoginizable<sp> starting point.

The first question I would like to ask is: What scripture common to Christianty does Islam also consider true and complete?

As an example, does Islam see the book of Ruth as being complete and true?

Thanks
Nimrod
 
nimrod, selam alaikum,
inshallah you will learn more about Islam.

as for your question, no book is accepted or taken as completed and true in Islam except the Qur'an. We believe Qur'an is the only true and completed book (and preserved), which was revealed by Allah swt to the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) 14 centuries ago, where Qur'an was to confirm the previous revealed books by Moses,Isa (Jesus) (pbut).... which were altered by people

I hope this answered your question
 
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Peace.

Nimrod,

The Psalms of prophet David , The Torah or Old Testament of prophet Moses, The Injeel( New testament) of prophet Jesus. The Quran is the final message or book of God given to prophet Mohammed. May peace be upon them all.

I don't know about the book of Ruth. I'll have to research.

Peace.
 
Nimrod, peace once again.

The book of Ruth:

"The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)"

For more about which parts of the Bible Muslims believe in, please refer to thise site:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm
 
Al-Mu'min thanks for the link. I will study it.

At times it seems like comparing apples to oranges when trying to find common ground concerning scripture.

Vpb, you say Islam rejects all scripture concering the Christian Old Testament bible as being true and complete.

Can you explain what Old Testament scripture you personaly reject and explain why?

Surely anyone rejecting what a prophet offers as scripture must ONLY reject it after careful thought.

Vbr exactly what portion of an Old testament book such as Daniel does Islam consider true and correct?

Please explain Why you reject any and all scripture in the book of Daniel from the Christian Old Testament.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
nimrod, what I meant is that Islam right now does not accept any other book except Qur'an, because we believe OT,NT and other scriptures have been changed by people, that's why I am saying it rejects know, and because they have been changed Allah swt sent the last prophet Mohammed pbuh with the Qur'an, so the book would remain unchanged (even people tried) till the Day of Judgement, but there are still some things in Bible which are true, but very little.
I hope this is the explanation that u wanted.

peace.
 
Vpb I understand your point, the point I am mkaing is this:

If you reject Ruth 1:5 as being incomplete then you MUST have thought about Ruth 1:5 and came up with a logical reason for rejecting it.

Surely Allah will at the very least hold you accountable for doing that minor thing.

Now.......

you........

Vpb....

what parts of the Book of Ruth do you personaly discount as being wrong?

Thanks
Nimrod
 
Can you explain what Old Testament scripture you personaly reject and explain why?
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I don't follow things personally, I just follow what the Qur'an says :)

Vbr exactly what portion of an Old testament book such as Daniel does Islam consider true and correct?
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We are not allowed to follow any other book except the Qur'an, that is what Allah swt commaned us .

Please explain Why you reject any and all scripture in the book of Daniel from the Christian Old Testament.
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same thing as the above answer, and if u raise the question "well, why then you believe Qur'an is the only true guidance book", then I think there are some threads already in this forum , disscusing the authencity of Qur'an, and there a lot of articles on Internet too, but even without any article, logically it can be seen far that Qur'an is really the true book.

Peace.
 
I can't talk about about the Book of Ruth,cuz I am not familiar with it but I know one thing that it is not accepted in Islam (from my point), bc as I mentioned above, Qur'an is the only word of God (preserved) and no other book is compared to it, bc all other scriptures have been changed.
 
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Vpb "We are not allowed".

Yes, you are allowed, not only that but..... YOU will be held accountable for not questioning what you accept.

Awaiting answers and yet confused.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
nimrod, You judging from your point of view, but I am repeating again that Allah swt has commanded us to follow only one book sent by him (the Qur'an), and why not the other scriptures, because as they are altered by people through ages and that's why they are not perfect any more, they are not the complete word of God as they used to be when they were revealed, and that's why Qur'an was sent to correct the previous scriptures by (Moses,Jesus ...pbut)

Yes, you are allowed, not only that but..... YOU will be held accountable for not questioning what you accept.
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do you have evidence from Qur'an that we are allowed to follow other scriptures except the Qur'an? I would suggest to see a Qur'an how it looks like and read it :)
 
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Vpb "We are not allowed".

Yes, you are allowed, not only that but..... YOU will be held accountable for not questioning what you accept.

Awaiting answers and yet confused.

Thanks
Nimrod
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You are right. Allah in the Quran says to question and and understand your faith. Allah also mentioned in the Quran that the previous books were indeed authentic and where sent from Him. But a while later people started to tamper with it. So now one should look at the Bible and see the contradictions, and the tampering that Allah has talked about. Once you have done so, now you should look at the book, that Allah has sent down to corrrect those contradictions and false claims - the Quran.
Allah also said that the Quran can't be tampered with and that it will be under his protection until the day of judgement. Hence it is the final giudance of Allah to us. Not a single word has now been changed from the original 1400years later.
 
You are right. Allah in the Quran says to question and and understand your faith. Allah also mentioned in the Quran that the previous books were indeed authentic and where sent from Him. But a while later people started to tamper with it. So now one should look at the Bible and see the contradictions, and the tampering that Allah has talked about. Once you have done so, now you should look at the book, that Allah has sent down to corrrect those contradictions and false claims - the Quran.
Allah also said that the Quran can't be tampered with and that it will be under his protection until the day of judgement. Hence it is the final giudance of Allah to us. Not a single word has now been changed from the original 1400years later.
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Hiya

You say God allowed people to tamper with the Bible.
I can't understand why God would allow this to happen.

Was the Bible tampered with while Mohammed was alive or was it after his death?

whereabouts in the Koran does it say to question its?

So now one should look at the Bible and see the contradictions, and the tampering
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Do you mean the contradictions within the Bible it's self or the contradictions of the two different faiths...between Islam and Christianity?

thanks
 
Hi Nicola, peace.

Nicola said:
Hiya

You say God allowed people to tamper with the Bible.
I can't understand why God would allow this to happen.

People have free will. Are you saying today's bible is exactly the way it was revealed? People tampered with it and Allah in the Quran corrects the misconceptions made about Jesus, Marry, and the nature of Allah himself.

Was the Bible tampered with while Mohammed was alive or was it after his death?
It was tampered with before Muhammed came and until today we on keep seeing new versions of the Bible released. It keeps getting revised. eg. The King James Bible.

whereabouts in the Koran does it say to question its?

It's what? Finish the question please.

Do you mean the contradictions within the Bible it's self or the contradictions of the two different faiths...between Islam and Christianity?
Contradictions in the Bible. The Quran has no contradictions. In fact it corrects the bible.
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Peace.
 
Hi Nicola, peace.

Nicola said:
Hiya

You say God allowed people to tamper with the Bible.
I can't understand why God would allow this to happen.

Ans. People have free will. Are you saying today's bible is exactly the way it was revealed? People tampered with it and Allah in the Quran corrects the misconceptions made about Jesus, Marry, and the nature of Allah himself.

Was the Bible tampered with while Mohammed was alive or was it after his death?
Ans. It was tampered with before Muhammed came and until today we on keep seeing new versions of the Bible released. It keeps getting revised. eg. The King James Bible.

whereabouts in the Koran does it say to question its?

It's what? Finish the question please.

Do you mean the contradictions within the Bible it's self or the contradictions of the two different faiths...between Islam and Christianity?
Ans. Contradictions in the Bible. The Quran has no contradictions. In fact it corrects the bible.
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I hope the answers are more visible now.
Peace.
 
Nicola, from my opinion, the only reason why Allah swt has given us a guarantee that Qur'an will remain unchanged forever is because as prophet Mohammed pbuh is the last messenger, then this book was going to be the last one, for people till the day of judgement, so that's why Allah swt protects it from people who want to change, because there is going to be no more prophets again to correct the scriptures.
 

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