Did Jesus (p) Deny Being God?

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Dear brothers and sisters,

If I am standing in front of the IBM headquarters building, and a fellow employee unknowingly asked me, "Is this your building, do you own this building?",

and then I replied, "This building is NOT MY OWN, but it belongs to the ONE WHO EMPLOYS ME",

this would clarify to the person asking that I AM NOT THE OWNER, I am just one of the workers. I do not own the building (Universe), the one I work for owns it.

Did Jesus (p) make such statements regarding his status, the words, the will and the power he used?

WORDS
"Jesus answered them and said, 'My doctrine is not mine, but His Who sent me.'" [John 7:16]

"He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's Who sent me." [John 14:24]

"For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father Who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." [John 12:49]

WILL
"Jesus said to them, 'My food is to do the will of Him Who sent me, and to accomplish His work.'" [John 4:34]

"For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him Who sent me." [John 6:38]

"...saying, 'Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from me; nevertheless not my will, but Yours, be done.'" [Luke 22:42]

POWER
"I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is righteous, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father Who sent me." [John 5:30]

"I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one Who sent him." [John 13:16]

"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you'. If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" [John 14:28]

"Jesus said to them, 'If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but He sent me.'" [John 8:42]

"To sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father." [Matthew 20:23]

KNOWLEDGE
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." [Mark 13:32]

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only." [Matthew 24:36]

"So Jesus answered them, 'My teaching is not mine, but His Who sent me.'" [John 7:16]

STATUS
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord', shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven." [Matthew 7:21]

"And the Father Himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape." [John 5:37]

"And Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.'" [Mark 10:18]

"And I do not seek my own glory; there is One Who seeks and judges." [John 8:50]

Some Christians (though not all) claim that Jesus (p) implied that he was God from the above verses - we see clearly that Jesus (p) denied being God. The God of Abraham in the Old Testament stated "I am God" over 200 times, yet (oddly) Jesus (p) never uttered those three words once in the Gospel. So we see from the many verses above that the House did not belong to Jesus (p), it belonged to the One Who sent him.
 
Mashallah bro i can't wait for the christians to reply to this, good stuff!
 
Joh 10:30 I and the Father are one."
Joh 10:31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?"
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, "It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God."
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Even the Jews found it easier enough to understand who Jesus was claming to be.
 
lol i havent put in there anything you have quoted!!

why does it say quote, if none of what you put in there is what i put up there??

jesus(p) said:
"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you'. If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" [John 14:28]

and theres more read what i put up there
 
Nicola said:
Even the Jews found it easier enough to understand who Jesus was claming to be.
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Looking from the context one can easily understand that Jesus meant he and God was one in purpose. What was this purpose? To bring the children of Israel in submission & repentance to God. God send messengers throughout the history of men to this purpose. One of this messenger was Jesus (pbuh).

God sent messengers to bring men into submission to Him and the one being sent is the one who accomplishes this purpose, wouldn't it be equal to say God and His messenger share the same purpose? This was explained in detail by late Sheikh Ahmed Deedat in his debates.

The Jews began to stone him because they thought he was claiming to be god. They try to incriminate him with the sin of professing to be God, that is why they accuse him of blasphemy. They try to appear confused while knowing Christ was sent as the Messiah, not God!

You Christians call Jews the Christ-killers and yet you agree with what they say about him. What an irony!
 
Okay, Abdul Majid, your evidence has shown that Jesus claimed He was not God. However, Nicola here (who was quoting those verses from the Bible, thus the reason she used the the quote tags), has shown evidence that Jesus implied that He was God.

It is my belief that He was just really humble, and was just saying that He wasn't God, when He really was.
 
The Architect said:
Okay, Abdul Majid, your evidence has shown that Jesus claimed He was not God. However, Nicola here (who was quoting those verses from the Bible, thus the reason she used the the quote tags), has shown evidence that Jesus implied that He was God.

It is my belief that He was just really humble, and was just saying that He wasn't God, when He really was.
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Then that is your belief and your error.
 
well actually Jesus vaguely said He was God and strongly said that He was Lord.

these verses from John chapter 8 shows Jesus calling Himself God vaguely

verse 23-24 --- You are from below, I am from above, you are of this world: I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I AM, you will indeed die in your sins.

then later in verse 28

So Jesus said," When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I AM and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.

then in verse 58

I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I AM.

He uses the same term that YAHWEH uses in Exodus 3:14 I AM WHO I AM

calling Himself Lord--- John 13:13

You call me Teacher and Lord, and rightly so, for that is what I am.


and Ps...

Christians who Live by Faith follow Christ.. according to Jesus Himself in John 14:12 Anyone who lives by Faith will do what I have been doing.
 
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lol all that is saying is I AM ?? nothing after it, could be i am prophet, i am anything for that matter....and you have taking these verses from john!!
 
Bismillah

Me and many other brothers and sisters debate on this stuff endlessly and they (Christians) find someway to prove the opposite by citing things such as: Jesus (peace be upon him) said: ' I am' or 'I and the Father are one' or they cite verses from the OT such as the 'We' and verse 1 in John.

I think that we must debate on the foundation of their faith. This 'Original Sin' doctrine. We disprove that, than the mission that they say Jesus (peace be upon him) was sent to fulfill, will backfire and all of their arguments will remain futile.
 
abdul Majid said:
prime can i ask you, what is christian faith mainly based on? like the bottom line basiclly?
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As a Former Christian. Christianity evolves around the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus (peace be upon him). However, the need for such, is because of the sin of our first parents Adaam and Huwa (peace be upon them both). The Christians say that their sin had a perpetual effect on each suceeding generation. Thus, the need for a perfect sacrifice to bring us back to Allaah swt. Without such sacrifice, Allaah swt would send us all to the hellfire. Astaghfirullah!!!
 

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