Did Jesus (p) Deny Being God?

Islam Gyal, I am not trying to pick on you, but could you give a understanding of what the church you attended taught, about the Holy Spirit, to me please.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
well sis the thing about me is me dad is an asian and me mum aint and if you want me to elaborate on that then i will!
 
hafizmo said:
Originally Posted by HeiGou View Original
For the Quran to be authentic it has to be transmitted from God to Gabriel to Muhammed to his Followers, among His Followers for a while before being written down under Umar or Uthman. How does the fact that people like you have memorized its content word for word, cover to cover, prove that every single link in that chain is certain and guaranteed? Only one of them has to be wrong for the wole chain to be worthless. Now I do not dispute the fact that the chain may be right, but I fail to see how your memorisation proves that chain is right.
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sorry I used the wrong wording then i guess I meant like nothing has been changed in it...like the script has been preserved
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Since the time of Uthman right? I am happy to admit that the Quran you are memorising is the same one as the earliest copies of the Quran known.

But I would point out that the same is true of the Catholic Church's Bibles which haven't been changed for about 1600 years.
 
Skillganon said:
Word of God is 99% error free!
Meaning their is 1% error! Now remind me how many words are in the bible?

Next, you still fail to admit that fabrication MARK 16:9-20! Has crept in the bible!!
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That a scribe included notes in Mark 16 does not discredit every other verse in Mark. It does not discredit that Jesus was crucified, died and rose from the dead.
You not only have Marks testimony but you have eyewitness accounts of the death of Jesus in Matthew and John and of Peter.
 
Nimrod.
May peace and blessings be upon you.

If what you are saying is true then why aren't we all followers of Judaism? Why didn't God stop with the message of Judaism and protect it? The Bible never claims to be the final testament or the final message of our Lord. Besides, doesn't God in the bible speak of a coming prophet? A comforter? Who do you think this prophet or messenger is?

Don't you think Jesus was only sent to the sheep of Isreal? It says so in the Bible. Are you an Israelite?
I doubt it. Then Why are you following his message?

Can we agree that the Bible is corrupt? If yes, don't you think God will send a final protected word? Mohammed claimed that the Quran was a message for mankind. He also perdicted that it won't be corrupted. It hasn't, and it never will.

God never in the Bible said that it (he bible) will remain uncorrupted. He was right. In fact Moses in the Old Testament predicted it will be corrupted. In the Quran, Allah says it will remain the same till the Day of Judgement. Fourteen hundred years later it stayed the same.

If you think that God is a part of three, then how do you explain that this was never mentioned to Abraham, Noah, Daniel, David, Moses or any of the other prophets? God kept on sending revelations and prophets to the Jews. Why didn't He say that He, the holy spirit, and Jesus was part of a trinity.
Infact why isn't the word "trinity" even mention in the bible? Both the O.T or the NT?

How does the Quran fullfil the Bible? Well it says to do right from wrong, to feed the poor, to believe in the last day, to believe in all the prophets, to believe in heaven and hell, to believe in the existance of Satan and angels, to believe in the coming of the Dajjal(or anti christ) and the return of Jesus, and most importantly to believe in the Almighty Creator.
If you go back in this thread you will find a lot of proof and evidence saying Christ is a mighty prophet rather than a part of the Creator.

If you believe that the Bible is uncurropt please prove so. If you don't then do you honestly think our lord will leave us without a final message?
You mentioned that you read the Quran, please tell me why you think you couldn't believe it is from God. What is so un-Godly about it?

Towards better understanding.
 
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islamgyal said:
excuse us i have reverted and i did no about ''christainity'':offended: :offended: :offended: :offended:
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May peace and blessings be upon you sister.

I was obviously refering to brother Heigou. Some of his postings implied that you didn't understand your original faith. I have no doubt you did. Someone has to know his original faith in order to compare it with another before converting. So I have no doubt you understood Christianity.

Peace and Blessings.
 
Al-Mu'min said:
May peace and blessings be upon you sister.

I was obviously refering to brother Heigou. Some of his postings implied that you didn't understand your original faith. I have no doubt you did. Someone has to know his original faith in order to compare it with another before converting. So I have no doubt you understood Christianity.

Peace and Blessings.
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what you mean i did not understand ''christainity''?!

take care
 
sumay28 said:
Most muslims know the bible better than a Christian! And I've seen on this thread alone, many quotes from the bible that I consider significant proof that 1.) Jesus is NOT God, and 2.) The Bible has been corrupted. ONE GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sumay,
I have been discourcing with Muslim for several months now and find the opposite to be true. Especaly the former christians, I find they hardly know their bible at all.
Oh well
 
islamgyal said:
what you mean i did not understand ''christainity''?!
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Actually the poor previous poster said that you did. The claim was that there was an implication in one of my posts that you did not.

So may I ask again, what denomination of Christian were you before you became a Muslim? What was the Church that your Father and Mother went to?
 
Al-Mu'min said:
May peace and blessings be upon you all.
Going through the thread, the argument is still about wether the Bible is corrupted or not. Most christians , I know believe that it was. But i just don't understand why some members in here argue that it isn't. There are many questions that those who believe that the bible is uncorrupted have to answer. One of them is: Why does it contain a lot of contradictions?

This is an article by Bassam Zawadi. Here is a list of few contradictions in the Bible that no Christian has a logical explanation for:

1)How many generations were there between Abraham to David? Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations. Matthew 1:12-16 lists thirteen generations.

2)Who approached Jesus? (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant. (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.

3) Paul’s attendants heard the miraculous voice and stood speechless. Acts 9:7 Paul’s attendants did not hear the voice and were prostrate. Acts 22:9 & 26:14

For a detailed regarding this issue, read
http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1994/1/1voice94.html

4) Was she dead or just dying? (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead. (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying.

5) Just what did Jesus instruct them to take? (Matthew 10:10) Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals. (Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on their journey.

6) When did the fig tree hear of its doom? (Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple. (Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He cursed it before the purging.

7) Was John the Baptist Elias? "This is Elias which was to come." Matthew 11:14 "And they asked him, what then? Art thou Elias? And he said I am not." John l:21

8) Where was the infant taken? Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt. Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.

9) Where did Christ preach his first sermon? Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first sermon on the mount. Luke 6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in the plain.

10) Where did the devil take Jesus first? (Matthew 4:5-8) The Devil took Jesus first to the parapet of the temple, then to a high place to view all the Kingdoms of the world. (Luke 4:5-9) The Devil took Jesus first to a high place to view the kingdoms, then to the parapet of the temple.

11) What color was the robe the blessed Jesus was put in? And they stripped him and put a scarlet robe upon him. (Matthew 27:28). And the soldiers plaited a crown of thorns, and put it on his head, and arrayed him in a purple robe. (John 19:2)

12) In 1 Corinthians 1:17 ("For Christ sent me [Paul] not to baptize but to preach the gospel") Paul said Jesus was wrong when he said in Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them…" Clearly one of these people is wrong, either way, it’s a contradiction. On top of that even Peter taught it, 1 Pet. 3:21, "and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also -- not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

13) Has anyone ascended up to heaven? Elijah went up to heaven: "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11 "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man." John 3:13

14) How many angels were within the sepulcher? John 20:11-12 two, Mark 16:5 one. Just incase that they are not mutually exclusive then say that in Mark 16:6 it shows that one person was talking but in John 20:13 it shows two people talking. Now that is mutually exclusive.

15) Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples? In a room in Jerusalem. Luke 24:32-37 On a mountain in Galilee. Matthew 28:15-17

16) Where did Christ ascend from? From Mount Olives. Acts 1:9-12 From Bethany. Luke 24:50-51

17) The Elijah mystery: (Malachi 4:5) Elijah must return before the final days of the world. (Matthew 11:12-14) Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah. (Matthew 17:12- 13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come, and everyone understood him to mean John the Baptist. (Mark 9:13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come. (John 1:21) John the Baptist maintained that he was not Elijah.

18) NO of days. Jesus took Peter, James and John up the mountain six days (Matthew 17:1) or eight days (Luke 9:7) after he told them that they will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

19 Matthew 4:18-20 shows that Jesus talked to Peter and Andrew together and they both followed him together but John 1:40-42, shows Andrew followed Jesus first and then he went and informed Peter.

20) Who bought the Sepulcher? Jacob, Josh 24:32 Abraham, Acts 7:16

21) Are we saved by works as well as faith? Ephesians 2:8-9 says no and James 2:24 says yes.

22) James 1:13 says God tempts no man but Genesis 22:1 says that God tempted Abraham.

This is a very small sample of thousands of other contradictions. Probably most of them are answered by Christians, however there are still dozens and dozens of more contradictions which are important and relate to key issues of doctrine that have not been logically answered.

I only provided a small sample, which I find to be enough to show that the New Testament cannot be the complete true word of God when it contains these errors.

Peace and blessings.
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Al-M,
If I cut and pasted a long article from answeringislam would you read it and let your opinion be changed by it?
 
Peace.
If you want reasons why Jesus couldn't be God, please go to page 27 of this thread and read post 383.
Have'nt you noticed the last few pages has been a debate whether the Bible is corrupt or uncorrupt. I have stated in a former post that we should stick to the title thread. But as you have seen the main topic is about the Bible's validity. I agree we should move on. That is why I have repeatedly provided evidence of the Bible's corruption.
Why don't you go back to that list and pick out one and we will discuss the divinty of Jesus. You always say that we have diregarded the scripture you mentioned. I hope you don't diregard the scritpure i have qouted from your Bible in that list.

Peace.
 
SolaChristo said:
Al-M,
If I cut and pasted a long article from answeringislam would you read it and let your opinion be changed by it?
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Peace.
What in the last post is wrong? What is not convincing about it? It just states the contradictions in the Bible. Aren't these verses in the bible? Which verse is correct and which isn't?
These verses are in your Bible. You should be convinced. Don't you follow the book?
Peace
 
PrIM3 said:
1)How many generations were there between Abraham to David? Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations. Matthew 1:12-16 lists thirteen generations.
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you'll have to realize that Matthew 1:12-16 doesn't state that it was only thirteen generations...
 
HeiGou said:
Actually the poor previous poster said that you did. The claim was that there was an implication in one of my posts that you did not.

So may I ask again, what denomination of Christian were you before you became a Muslim? What was the Church that your Father and Mother went to?
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Peace.

Ha. Why is it a ''claim'' when it's true? If it wasn't, then why do you keep asking her questions?

Just because a person converts doesn't mean that she/he doesn't know what they are doing. This is a life decision man.

How do you explain the thousands of other people who reverted from Christianity? How do you explain the Priests an Preachers of Christianity that converted? Didn't they also "understand" Christianity? Let's see why you think they converted.

Lets see who is the "poor poster" now.

Peace out.
 

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