Differences between Christianity, Judaism and Islam

[Phil12123]

Well say I have three twins and one kill someone are you going to put all of them on trial for murder…No why?

Because they are different persons. This is the same with the One in three God, they are different, you have three dissimilar images in your head then you think of the father,son and Holy Spirt. I don't need to tell you the Images do I?

Interesting analogy, Idris. In one sense, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit might be considered "three twins" (or should that be "triplets"?). They are indeed distinct personages but are of the same essence, substance or nature. That esssence, substance, or nature is DEITY. Since the Three are all of that SAME essence, there are NOT 3 Gods, but ONE. ONE Deity. Contrast that with angels or humans or animals or plants or rocks. Those all have a different essence, substance or nature and they are all NON-Deity. That is, the essence, substance, or nature of God is NOT angelic, or human, or animal, or plant or rock, but DEITY.

Now, according to the Christian faith, the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world (1 John 4:14). The Son was with the Father from all eternity and they were/are both "God", i.e., of that same essence, substance, or nature, namely, Deity or God (John 1:1-3). At the right time, the Son or "the Word" was "made flesh" (John 1:14) and though originally in the "form of God" and "equal with God" (Philippians 2:6)--which probably means pure spirit--he took upon himself the "form of a servant" (Phil. 2:7), "and was made in the likeness of men, and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross" (Phil. 2:8). After his death on the cross for our sins, he rose again, and after showing himself alive to hundreds of disciples over forty days (Acts 1:3; 1 Corinth. 15:3-8), he ascended to the Father and is now at his right hand making intercession for believers (Romans 8:34; Hebrews 7:25; 1 John 2:1).

This is all consistent with Jewish scripture, Isaiah 53, which was fulfilled by Christ, but which Jews do not believe. If there are any Jewish contributors to this forum, I would love to know WHO you think Isaiah 53 refers to, if not Christ. "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities...all we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned everyone to his own way, and the Lord [the Father] has laid on him [the Son] the iniquity [sin] of us all. He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he opened not his mouth... etc., etc." (Isaiah 53:5-12). Did you see The Passion of the Christ movie? It might not be totally accurate, but it gives you an idea of what Jesus went through for our sins.

What I cannot understand (someone please enlighten me), is how Islam can deny that Jesus died on a Roman cross when that is an historical fact which is attested to by nonbiblical sources as well as the biblical record.

One other thing I don't understand, which is probably another subject: If a person rejects Christ's payment for their sins, how do they pay for them themselves without going to hell for them for all eternity? If God sent the Son to make payment for sins, and a person rejects that, wanting to be responsible himself, isn't that spiritual, eternal suicide? :?


Peace.

 

[north_malaysian]

If think it would be nice if any Jew could answer. But i know they translate thier Bible from Anitic (Septuaginta III/II BC).
salaam
n.

Yeah, It's unjust for Muslims and christians to speak on behalf of Jews regarding to Judaism. Where's lavikor?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

- That every one should be responsible for thier sins.

Hear Hear!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

One other thing I don't understand, which is probably another subject: If a person rejects Christ's payment for their sins, how do they pay for them themselves without going to hell for them for all eternity? If God sent the Son to make payment for sins, and a person rejects that, wanting to be responsible himself, isn't that spiritual, eternal suicide? :?


Peace.

That's exactly how it works - If i sin i have to be punished, if God sends Jesus to die for our sins, then what will stop me from committing more? Nothing, i'd think well Jesus was killed for my sins so i'll continue sinning!

 

[north_malaysian]

That's exactly how it works - If i sin i have to be punished, if God sends Jesus to die for our sins, then what will stop me from committing more? Nothing, i'd think well Jesus was killed for my sins so i'll continue sinning!

:rollseyes

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

:rollseyes

Yes?

 

[Phil12123]

I have seen several Bibles here in Canada that are DIFFRENT from each other, and i have seen more than 10 programs over the Canadian TV about Christianity. some of them say Three Gods in ONE.. some say THREE Gods, some believe that Mary is a God as well and now you are saying one God in three PERSONS.. since when a person can be a God?!?! and please explain to me Who is the father? and who is the Son and who is the Holy spirit? since i'm Totally LOST in what you believe in !?!?!!

I cannot defend some Canadian TV program about Christianity, but any program that says "Three Gods in One" is not correct. Christianity is MONOTHEISTIC, teaching ONE God, never Three Gods. NEVER!!! Any program or teacher who says "Three Gods" is a polytheistic pagan, not a Christian.

let me mention another example here.. when i was in high school school, their where tow students in my class who are Christians "i think orthodox", one of them doesn't eat Pork or any kind of ham and the other one eats Pork and all kind of ham. What about you?!

Personally, I eat whatever I want that I think is healthy for me. The New Testament standard for Christians is found in 1 Timothy 4:3-5, which says, "every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer." When I pray over my meal before partaking, I thank God for it and ask that He makes it good for me, using it to strengthen and nourish my body. Someone who does not eat pork because of religious reasons is going by the Old Testament (Jewish) scriptures, not the New Testament (Christian) scriptures. Or he may be just deciding that, personally, he believes pork is an unhealthy food to eat.

I will ask you one question here... If Jesus died for Christians sins.. then why Christians are punished if they steal or kill?!?! then basically they can have as much sins they want since at the end Jesus will cover it for them... and it's happening alot these days. specially here in Canada

Let me start out by saying, first of all, everyone (you, me, everyone) is a sinner. We don't all steal or kill, but we all sin. The list of possible sins is too long to mention here, but I think you know what I mean. We all sin, whether in thought, word, or deed, we all sin, perhaps daily, perhaps hourly! There are two consequences for sin---temporal and eternal. The civil authorities are ministers of God to punish lawbreakers (Romans 13:1-7). Without them, we would have anarchy and unrestrained lawlessness. If a sin also is a violation of man's law (for example, speeding, stealing, whatever), the police may arrest the criminal and he may end up in jail, or be fined. That would be a temporal consequence for that sin. But there is also an eternal consequence for sin. Jesus's death for our sins pays for the eternal consequence. It may not remove the temporal consequence (a fine or jail term), but it pays for the eternal consequence (hell). His payment provides God's forgiveness, but not necessarily man's forgiveness.

A true Christian does not deliberately and willfully sin because he "can have as much sins [as he wants] since at the end Jesus will cover it for them". A true Christian realizes that it was his sin that made it necessary for Jesus to go to the cross (not just the Jewish religious leaders or the Roman civil authorities), and that he (the Christian) owes Jesus such a debt of gratitude that sinning is the farthest thing from his desire, since to do so would "crucify the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame" (Hebrews 6:6). When a person receives Christ as Savior, his desires change. The sins he used to enjoy are now abhorrent to him. He is a new creature, with new desires, desires to please God, not sin against him. Plus the Holy Spirit lives in the believer, leading him to do the right and avoid the wrong. But in spite of all that, we still have the old sin nature that battles against the spirit. The Apostle Paul called it a war in his members (Romans 7:14-25). So Christians are not perfect or sinless, and won't be until they receive their new bodies at the resurrection.

One other important thing: Not everyone who says he's a Christian is necessarily a true Christian. And just because he's not Jewish or Muslim does not automatically make him a Christian by some process of elimination. Only God knows each heart. That is why we should not judge people. Only God is our Judge. Whoever you see misbehaving will some day stand before his Judge (God, not you) and give an account to HIM (not you). And by the way, you will do the same. We all will.

Again, Prophet Muhammad was mentioned in the Bible... the reason I'm typing WAS here bcz basically the Bible is trades from their meanings, translation.. the whole book is changed to different versions that even have the Authors name on it.
by the way some of the Bibles till this moment still have the part where it's mentioning Prophet Muhammad in it. "don't forget to search about that part"

Please tell me where in the Bible, any Bible, the Prophet Muhammad is mentioned. Chapter and verse, please.

Peace

 

[Phil12123]

That's exactly how it works - If i sin i have to be punished, if God sends Jesus to die for our sins, then what will stop me from committing more? Nothing, i'd think well Jesus was killed for my sins so i'll continue sinning!

I don't want to violate any rules about posting, but I hear what you say again and again, so perhaps it bears repeating. As I said to Lamaggad:

A true Christian does not deliberately and willfully sin because he "can have as much sins [as he wants] since at the end Jesus will cover it for them". A true Christian realizes that it was his sin that made it necessary for Jesus to go to the cross (not just the Jewish religious leaders or the Roman civil authorities), and that he (the Christian) owes Jesus such a debt of gratitude that sinning is the farthest thing from his desire, since to do so would "crucify the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame" (Hebrews 6:6). When a person receives Christ as Savior, his desires change. The sins he used to enjoy are now abhorrent to him. He is a new creature, with new desires, desires to please God, not sin against him. Plus the Holy Spirit lives in the believer, leading him to do the right and avoid the wrong. But in spite of all that, we still have the old sin nature that battles against the spirit. The Apostle Paul called it a war in his members (Romans 7:14-25). So Christians are not perfect or sinless, and won't be until they receive their new bodies at the resurrection.

I might also add here that a Christian who sins faces the loving correction of his Heavenly Father, as the writer of Hebrews pointed out (Heb. 12:5-11). But his eternity is safe and secure in the "everlasting arms" of his Father (Deut. 33:27).

So, now, back to your statement, "If I sin I have to be punished..." You do sin (we all do), so are you prepared to be punished in hell for all eternity? What makes you so sure you will NOT be so punished? What promise do you have that you will not be responsible for you sins for all eternity?

Peace

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

So, now, back to your statement, "If I sin I have to be punished..." You do sin (we all do), so are you prepared to be punished in hell for all eternity? What makes you so sure you will NOT be so punished? What promise do you have that you will not be responsible for you sins for all eternity?

Peace

I do admit i may be sounding like a broken record

But, as a Sikh we're told if we sin, we are reborn over and over again, and each time life will get harder and much more complicated. So this would be Hell for us! If we refrain from sinning then we will remain with God, this to us is Heaven!

I'm not attacking what you believe (or trying to)

 

[Phil12123]

I do admit i may be sounding like a broken record

But, as a Sikh we're told if we sin, we are reborn over and over again, and each time life will get harder and much more complicated. So this would be Hell for us! If we refrain from sinning then we will remain with God, this to us is Heaven!

I'm not attacking what you believe (or trying to)

Thank you for your reply. That is very interesting. I never heard of that, except perhaps in Hinduism or other religions that teach reincarnation. When you say "we're told..." are you referring to something written in scripture, and can you tell me where, so I can look it up myself? Or is it some oral tradition? And do only Sikhs believe that, or all Muslims?

Also, I'm wondering if you really think it is possible to ever totally stop sinning, i.e., to "refrain from sinning" to "remain with God"?

Don't worry, I'm not the sensitive type who thinks people attack what I believe (nor would I mind if they did). This forum should invite honest inquiry and discussion without worrying about that sort of thing.

Peace

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Thank you for your reply. That is very interesting. I never heard of that, except perhaps in Hinduism or other religions that teach reincarnation. When you say "we're told..." are you referring to something written in scripture, and can you tell me where, so I can look it up myself? Or is it some oral tradition? And do only Sikhs believe that, or all Muslims?

Also, I'm wondering if you really think it is possible to ever totally stop sinning, i.e., to "refrain from sinning" to "remain with God"?


Peace

It's a Sikh belief!


Human life is a blessing. Human being is the crown of His Creation. Man has the capacity of being conscious of his own being. He has the capability to attain the highest pinnacle of spiritual advancement. Human form is the opportunity for the spiritual and moral progress. No religion and no philosophy can exist without man. Sikh Gurus sing the nobility of human being because he has the awareness of the Divine and it is only through human body that one can get salvation by meditating on Nam. Man cannot find his way to salvation through intellectual acrobatics and speculative ventures or ceaseless trance. It is achieved only through meditation on Nam. When the Gurus and the Bhaktas(saints) sing the Praises of the Lord, they sing them to man. They encourage man to advance to the loftiest peaks of spiritual glory. The exhortation "Nam Japo" by the Gurus is directed towards man because the highest spiritual goal is within the reach of man only. "Nam Japo" aims at spiritual evolution which is the ultimate goal of Guru's Sikh.

"Were there any one Thy equal, O God, I'd praise Thee before him. (Since Thou hast neither equal nor rival) Therefore I will praise Thee before Thyself. Thy Name giveth sight to me, the blind." (Guru Nanak)


Quotes


“There is no other like the Lord - there is no equal to Him. He embellishes this world and the world hereafter, and He gives us our permanent home there. He rescues us from the world-ocean; never again do we have to run the cycle of reincarnation.”

Sri Guru Granth Sahib

laykhaa iko aavhu jaahu. ||1||
According to the account of our actions, we come and go in reincarnation. ||1||

Sri Guru Granth Sahib

“Meeting with the True Guru, you shall not have to go through the cycle of reincarnation again; the pains of birth and death will be taken away.”

Sri Guru Granth Sahib



“The Guru has given me the Wealth of the Lotus Feet of the Lord, and I, without shelter, have now obtained Shelter. The True Capital, and the True Way of Life, comes by chanting His Glories, twenty-four hours a day. Granting His Grace, God meets us, and we no longer die, or come or go in reincarnation.”

Sri Guru Granth Sahib


“All the world continues coming and going in reincarnation.”

Sri Guru Granth Sahib

As for the sinning bit, no we all sin, but if you try to lead a good life as told by your scriptures, then fine! It will be accepted!

Here's a link for our Scriptures (Sri Guru Granth Sahib) - Just enter a number from 1 - 1430 and it'll give you a page with a verse in english!

http://www.sikhnet.com/sggs/translation/sggstran2.html

 

[duskiness]

Salaam Lamaggad
I wrote in my first post sth about "lies". Sorry for that. It seems YOu simple lack basic knowlegde about Judaism & Christianity.

Qura'an[29-46]

- I like this qoute. But some (at least "some") of Your brothers & sisters disagree with statment taht we believe in "One God"

I have seen several Bibles here in Canada that are DIFFRENT from each other

- what do You mean by "different"?? Diffrent cover? Different transaltion?
What was different?

and i have seen more than 10 programs over the Canadian TV about Christianity.

-sorry to say but it seems that "10 programs in Canadian TV" are simply not enough

some of them say Three Gods in ONE.. some say THREE Gods

- WE WORSHIP 1 GOD. There are no politeistic christians.
Basic of Trinity once more:
"We worship one God in trinity and the Trinity in unity, neither confusing the persons nor dividing the divine being.
For the Father is one person, the Son is another, and the Spirit is still another.
But the deity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, equal in glory, coeternal in majesty.
What the Father is, the Son is, and so is the Holy Spirit.
Uncreated is the Father; uncreated is the Son; uncreated is the Spirit.
The Father is infinite; the Son is infinite; the Holy Spirit is infinite.
Eternal is the Father; eternal is the Son; eternal is the Spirit:
And yet there are not three eternal beings, but one who is eternal;
as there are not three uncreated and unlimited beings, but one who is uncreated and unlimited.
Almighty is the Father; almighty is the Son; almighty is the Spirit:
And yet there are not three almighty beings, but one who is almighty.
Thus the Father is God; the Son is God; the Holy Spirit is God:
And yet there are not three gods, but one God.
Thus the Father is Lord; the Son is Lord; the Holy Spirit is Lord:
And yet there are not three lords, but one Lord." /like some of You alread know that's Athanasian Creed, rest here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed)

some believe that Mary is a God as well

- 1..2....3.4...5...6...7...8..9...10. NO. Christian don't beleve that MAry is a God. Once more: "NO" (or try to prove me wrong....)

and now you are saying one God in three PERSONS.. since when a person can be a God?!?!

when we say that God is a Person, we mean that He is not some kind of Cosmic Force ("Use your Force, Luck!!" ). It means we can - somehow - contact, speak to Him. That He is not indifferent "cosmic harmony" but He carres for us.

and please explain to me Who is the father? and who is the Son and who is the Holy spirit?

*sigh* Father is God, Son is God, Holy Spirit is God. And still there is 1 God (and yes... i DID learn math...)

since i'm Totally LOST in what you believe in !?!?!!

That's good. Because that is exactly how You should feel when You want to understand God's nature. LOST. We are dust, with weak minds and words that often fail. And You want to put God into logical terms You can easily understand? If You do that than it's not God.
Muslims seem to think our Trinity is blasphemy. For us it's our protection against it.
And in the end - I believe God is above our dualistic thinking. Above this-that, right-left, low-high and above one-many.

let me mention another example here.. when i was in high school school, their where tow students in my class who are Christians "i think orthodox", one of them doesn't eat Pork or any kind of ham and the other one eats Pork and all kind of ham.

-probably one was vegetarian. It is not forbiden for Christian to be vegetarian.

What about you?!

I don't eat pork. I don't like it (exeption: Wiener Schnitzel -spelling???)

those tow example proved to me the contradiction that Christians have in their religion

- 1 one was fact that You don't understand Trinitym and 2 that some of us don't eat pork??? Belive me - most of Your brothers & sisters here can find better contradicitions..Because Your's don't prove anything

without even me discussing it with any body

- it is highly recommended to talk to adherents of other faith if You want to understan them

and now while I'm in Canada just looking at the TV, i see several programs about Christianity, and till now, i never saw tow persons saying the same thing...

- Nicean Creed: "The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed is the most widely accepted creed in Christianity. Since its original formulation it continues to be used in the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian, Anglican, Lutheran, and most other Protestant churches."
" We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty
Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.

For us (men)1 and for our salvation he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures
he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
And his kingdom will have no end

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life,
Who proceeds from the Father (and the Son)
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen. "
/wiki
sometimes we speak the same....

and now you have proved it to me again by saying something completely different than the 10 programs i have seen...

- LOL and TV is never wrong?

if i should believe you then i have to disagree with my christian friend

- with the one who eats pork?

and if i believed what i have seen on the TV then i have to disagree with you and with my Christian(s) friends...

- if I would agree with some statments about Islam on tv i wouldn't be here...

tell me..? which one should i follow?!?! and why should i believe you not them?!?!? and why should i believe in something that basically doesn't make any sense?!?!...

- So don't belive me! Search for yourself! Read about other faiths. Writen by their adherents and by people who disagree with them.Talk to them! But first of all - LEARN about others.

I was born Muslim, but if i was born Muslim that doesn't mean that i am right till i fully understand what is Islam and till i fully recognize it in my brain. in Islam we are ASKED to fulfill our believes and search so we can be truly satisfied with Islam in our Hearts, we are not asked to be Muslims bcz basically we were born Muslims.

- I wasn't "born" Christian. My parents are atheists. It took me long time to believe in God. And even more to become Christian. I really despiseded (sp??) Christianity. But i had my "road to Damascus"

are you asked the same thing in your religion?!?! any wayI hope that you will do the same thing, and truly open your heart to the Truth... compare all three religions and be honest to your self when you are searching for the truth.

- I compered those 3. In fact not only those 3. And i hope i was as honest as i could be.
But I have question to You, about honesty: Do You think it is honest to compare Your faith with other faiths, which basics You don't know?

I will ask you one question here... If Jesus died for Christians sins.. then why Christians are punished if they steal or kill?!?! then basically they can have as much sins they want since at the end Jesus will cover it for them...

- no, we can't. Faith means that we try to do what He asked form us.

and it's happening alot these days. specially here in Canada

- We are sinners. And do only Christian commit crimes in - specially - Canada?

Again, Prophet Muhammad was mentioned in the Bible...

*sigh* Once more: NO, he wasn't

the reason I'm typing WAS here bcz basically the Bible is trades from their meanings, translation.. the whole book is changed to different versions

- what vesions?

that even have the Authors name on it

- In Antics authors didn't sign their books.

by the way some of the Bibles till this moment still have the part where it's mentioning Prophet Muhammad in it. "don't forget to search about that part

- im really bornig, am I? No, He is not mentioned in Bible

OK BUT some doesn't.. so here is another example where you are proving that Christianity is full of contradictions..

- which Christian denomination don't accept Torah? Let me think...orthodox accept, catolic - accept, lutheran -accept, anglican -accept, methodists -accept, presbiterian -accept, anabaptists - accept, mennonites -accept, baptists - accept, pentacostal movement -accept, holiness movement -accept...so who are those "some"????

not to mention here that Jews or let me say SOME actually MOST Jews doesn't believe in Bible.. and they deny most of the things that you believe in.

NO.Actually ALL Jews believe in Jewish Bible, or - in other words - this part of Christian Bible that we cal "Old Testament".

another question for you here.. does that make you a Jew bcz you believe in Torah or does that make Jews Christians?!?! as i have seen in your profile, you are Christian not a Jew.

.- Is it so hard to understand? Jew believe in Tanah(Tanak)/Jewish Bible/Old Teatament. Christians belive in it also, among them I. We also believe in New Testament. That's way we are called "Christians" and not "Jews"

what difference does it make to you when you put SOME here, will that take you back in time and change any thing..? NO..

- It makes difference. Because for centuries Jews were blamed for His death. But He was killed by Roman soldiers. Not by Jews. If You can'y see differece between "some Jews 2000 years ago" and "Jews", and between "kill" and "wanted Him death" - than i can't help You

conclusion: Jews were completely DENYING Jesus (Peace be upon him) at that time and also till this day SOME are still denying him...

- CORRECT. Thats way they are called "Jews" and not "Christians"

I have read about that and i have also seen Passion of the Christ... and i have spoke to Jews over here in Canada, they do not have the same vision that you have..

- i would be surprised if it were different.

Any1 who read to this point - You're hero

Lamaggad - my ponit is: learn about us, befor You start comparing

 

[Lamaggad]

Please tell me where in the Bible, any Bible, the Prophet Muhammad is mentioned. Chapter and verse, please.

Peace

Here you go -- follow this link please
http://www.muhammad.net/biblelp/index.htm

By the way...
i do not judge a religion from a person, i wouldn't actually like it if someone is judging Islam by looking at me. although i have enough knowledge of my religion that i belong to and would like to share it with non-Muslims but still that doesn't mean that I'm %100 perfect who doesn't make any mistakes.

 

[Phil12123]

As for the sinning bit, no we all sin, but if you try to lead a good life as told by your scriptures, then fine! It will be accepted!

Hmmm... that may be a Sikh belief too! The Bible would agree that "we all sin" but NOT that "if you try to lead a good life...then fine...it will be accepted".

Leading a good life (not sinning?) never cancels out all the sin we do. Forgiveness in the Bible is based on repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ, who paid for all our sins by his death on the cross.

Don't want to sound like a broken record, but that is the difference, apparently, between Sikhism and Christianity.

Peace

 

[duskiness]

BTW: I probably forgot to say: Lamaggad & Phil121213 welcome to Li forum
:thankyou:
n.

 

[Phil12123]

BTW: I probably forgot to say: Lamaggad & Phil121213 welcome to Li forum
:thankyou:
n.

Thank you. Glad to be here.

Peace

 

[lavikor201]

:: Believe in one God and believe in one Holy Book "Torah"
:: BUT they believe that they are the sons of god and they are the chosen people for God.
:: They do not believe in Jesus, in fact Christians believe that Jews have killed him.
:: They do not believe in prophet Muhammad or Qura'an or the Bible.

-We believe in one G-d, as you said and the Torah.

-We do not believe we are the sons of G-d, we believe that we were honored by G-d to be the people he chose to obey his laws, and study his Torah.
(All non-Jews who follow the 7 Laws of Noah are garunteed a place in heaven.)

-We believe that Jesus was nothing more than a Jew. Not a prophet and definitly not the son of G-d.

-We do not believe in the Quran or Muhammad.

 

[Lamaggad]

I forgot to post this verse from the Qur'an.

Qura'an [7-157]

[157] Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (i.e. Muhammad (peace be upon him)) whom they find written with them in the Taurât (Torah) (Deut, xviii, 15) and the Injeel (Gospel) (John xiv, 16), - he commands them for Al-Ma'rûf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm has ordained); and forbids them from Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism of all kinds, and all that Islâm has forbidden); he allows them as lawful At-Taiyibât ((i.e. all good and lawful) as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods), and prohibits them as unlawful Al-Khabâ'ith (i.e. all evil and unlawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods), he releases them from their heavy burdens (of Allâh's Covenant), and from the fetters (bindings) that were upon them. So those who believe in him (Muhammad (peace be upon him)) honor him, help him, and follow the light (the Qur'ân) which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful.



الَّذِينَ يَتَّبِعُونَ الرَّسُولَ النَّبِيَّ الْأُمِّيَّ الَّذِي يَجِدُونَهُ مَكْتُوبًا عِنْدَهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَالْإِنْجِيلِ يَأْمُرُهُمْ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَيَنْهَاهُمْ عَنِ الْمُنْكَرِ وَيُحِلُّ لَهُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتِ وَيُحَرِّمُ عَلَيْهِمُ الْخَبَائِثَ وَيَضَعُ عَنْهُمْ إِصْرَهُمْ وَالْأَغْلَالَ الَّتِي كَانَتْ عَلَيْهِمْ فَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا بِهِ وَعَزَّرُوهُ وَنَصَرُوهُ وَاتَّبَعُوا النُّورَ الَّذِي أُنْزِلَ مَعَهُ أُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ

7-157:سورة الاعراف

 

[Phil12123]

Here you go -- follow this link please
http://www.muhammad.net/biblelp/index.htm

By the way...
i do not judge a religion from a person, i wouldn't actually like it if someone is judging Islam by looking at me. although i have enough knowledge of my religion that i belong to and would like to share it with non-Muslims but still that doesn't mean that I'm %100 perfect who doesn't make any mistakes.

I followed the link and, as you know, there is a lot of reading to do. Guess a simple citation of chapter and verse was too much to ask. I skimmed the material and it seemed to me as a first impression that the writer, an apostate Catholic priest, was really stretching things to come to the conclusions that he did. Also the whole tone of his writing I found very offensive.

The thought you expressed in your last paragraph is probably what all of us feel. For example, I would say, don't look at me or other individual Christians to judge the Christian faith. Look at Christ. None of us are 100% perfect. Christ, however, was. That is why He could die for OUR sins; He had none of His own.

Peace

 

[Zohair]

Salam Sister lama, its me from the shabab centre, lol.

I have been here quite a short time, and I have realized many things. whenever someone starts a thread i.e Similarities and differencess between christianity and islam and judaism, the debate goes the same way over and over and over and over again!! muslim people start attacking the bible and start attacking christian theology. why must you do this?

In islam, it is our duty to convey the message of Islam. it is not our duty to point out faults in other people's faiths, to do so is disrespectful, and doesn't get anywhere. juding my duskiness' "*sighs" lol, she probably has been through this debate many times before.

so my point here is that, if you want these threads to work, and to be benificial, try to stay on topic, and not turn this into a christian bashing thread. cause listen, what happens if you prove the christian religion wrong, or point out faults in the bible? are those people going to neccessarily come to islam? NO, because you haven't told them ANYTHING about islam, the whole time you were yappering about how the trinity doesn't make sense, and how in the bible there are this many contradictions.

if you really want to do something for allah, that is convey the message of islam, then, convey the message of islam! don't hurt other people's faiths.

a long message, but a message from the heart, I hope you are still reading at this point :giggling: