Differences between Christianity, Judaism and Islam

[Lamaggad]

I followed the link and, as you know, there is a lot of reading to do. Guess a simple citation of chapter and verse was too much to ask.

I appologies, here it is

"AND THE AHMED OF ALL NATIONS WILL COME." - HAGGAI, ii.7

"And I will shake all nations, and the Himdah all the nations will come; and I will fill this house with glory, says the Lord of hosts. Mine is the silver, mine is the gold, says the Lord of hosts, the glory of my last house shall be greater than that of the first one, says the Lord of hosts; and in this place I will give Shalom, says the Lord of hosts" (Haggai, ii. 7-9).

Before endeavoring to prove the fulfillment of this pro- phecy, it will be well to explain the etymology of the two words as briefly as possible:

(a) Himda. The clause in the original Hebrew text reads thus: "ve yavu himdath kol haggoyim," which literally rendered into English would be "and will come the Himda of all nations." The final hi in Hebrew, as in Arabic, is changed into th, or t when in the genitive case. The word is derived from an archaic Hebrew - or rather Aramaic - root hmd (consonants pronounced hemed). In Hebrew hemed is generally used in the sense of great desire, covet, appetite and lust. The ninth command of the Decalogue is: "Lo tahmod ish reikha" ("Thou shalt not covet the wife of thy neighbor"). In Arabic the verb hemida, from the same consonants hmd, means "to praise," and so on. What is more praised and illustrious than that which is most craved for, coveted, and desired? Whichever of the two meanings be adopted, the fact that Ahmed is the Arabic form of Himda remains indisputable and decisive. The Holy Quran (ch.61:6 ) declares that Jesus announced unto the people of Israel the coming of Ahmad: "And when Jesus, the son of Mary said: 'Children of Israel, I am sent to you by Allah to confirm the Torah that is before me, and to give news of a Messenger who will come after me whose name shall be Ahmad.' Yet when he came to them with clear proofs, they said: 'This is clear sorcery.'"

 

[Lamaggad]

BTW: I probably forgot to say: Lamaggad & Phil121213 welcome to Li forum
:thankyou:
n.

Thanks much!:statisfie
Glad to be here as well

 

[Lamaggad]

Salaam Lamaggad

Wa Alaykum Al-Salaam duskiness

- what do You mean by "different"?? Diffrent cover? Different transaltion?
What was different?

diff rent translations and the original revelation of each bible i have seen are diff rent, even the pages are diff rents.. mmmm EVERY THING is different :smile: :smile:

-sorry to say but it seems that "10 programs in Canadian TV" are simply not enough

how much more should i watch so i can learn the right christian believe?

- WE WORSHIP 1 GOD. There are no politeistic christians.
Basic of Trinity once more:
"We worship one God in trinity and the Trinity in unity, neither confusing the persons nor dividing the divine being.
For the Father is one person, the Son is another, and the Spirit is still another.
But the deity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, equal in glory, coeternal in majesty.
What the Father is, the Son is, and so is the Holy Spirit.
Uncreated is the Father; uncreated is the Son; uncreated is the Spirit.
The Father is infinite; the Son is infinite; the Holy Spirit is infinite.
Eternal is the Father; eternal is the Son; eternal is the Spirit:
And yet there are not three eternal beings, but one who is eternal;
as there are not three uncreated and unlimited beings, but one who is uncreated and unlimited.
Almighty is the Father; almighty is the Son; almighty is the Spirit:
And yet there are not three almighty beings, but one who is almighty.
Thus the Father is God; the Son is God; the Holy Spirit is God:
And yet there are not three gods, but one God.
Thus the Father is Lord; the Son is Lord; the Holy Spirit is Lord:
And yet there are not three lords, but one Lord." /like some of You alread know that's Athanasian Creed, rest here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed)

let me try to sort out what you have said..
you are saying that you believe in one God.. right? then you say Father is God; the Son is God; the Holy Spirit is God: which give the Total of 3 Gods..
then you say there is no such three Gods. and then:
Father is Lord; the Son is Lord; the Holy Spirit is Lord:

honestly i really can't understand what you have said... you keep saying one god and then 1 2 3 are also God..
what language are you speaking..? is that English??! I'm really not following..

and why do you call it Trinity if he's only one :?

Muslims seem to think our Trinity is blasphemy. For us it's our protection against it.

Nope we don't we respect your believe but we basically don't believe in it.. that's all what we think.

-probably one was vegetarian. It is not forbidden for Christian to be vegetarian.

no, it wasn't about vegetarian.. one of them said that they are forbidden to eat and the other was allowed..

- 1 one was fact that You don't understand Trinitym and 2 that some of us don't eat pork??? Belive me - most of Your brothers & sisters here can find better contradicitions..Because Your's don't prove anything

sister... no need for your to be rude... i was never rude to you wene i was telling you my concerns and what i have learnt about your religion...

i can get for you way more contradictions than this.. but you are already mad about few facts i have said and started to talk to me rudely.
what will happen if i got for you more than that.. I'm not looking for a fight here.. I'm just trying to prove my point of view to others

- it is highly recommended to talk to adherents of other faith if You want to understan them

here i am talking to you to discuss with you the stuff that i already know.. but you are being very negative with me.

- with the one who eats pork?

Actually both :happy:

- if I would agree with some statements about Islam on tv i wouldn't be here...

we are glad that you are here, perhaps you can tell us what are the stuff that you don't agree with

- So don't believe me! Search for yourself! Read about other faiths. Written by their adherents and by people who disagree with them.Talk to them! But first of all - LEARN about others.

i did learn, i have very good Catholic friends and we all ways have discussions.. why aren't getting that point.. and here i am talking to you, and what you are saying contradicts their believes...

- I compered those 3. In fact not only those 3. And i hope i was as honest as i could be.

May God Gide you even more

But I have question to You, about honesty: Do You think it is honest to compare Your faith with other faiths, which basics You don't know?

being honest is to check the stuff that contradicts each other in all three religions and learn the reasons why their is that contradiction and decide which is the most logical and beneficial one and follow it.. and thats wht i exactly did...
i have compared three religions.. and this is what i found...
- Islam is the only religion that Believes in the three Holy Books and all messengers including Jesus, Ibrahim and Muhammad (Peace be upon them)
- I have read the Qur'an, and i found in it even scientific facts that i never found in the Bible or Torah..
- I have learnt the reasons why I shouldn't believe in three gods or one god in 3 persons..
- I have learnt the scientific reasons on why should we pray five times a day, and i have compared our prayers with your prayers and Jews prayers, found out that our prayers even benefit our health in an amsing way..
- I have learnt why Islam and Judaism forbids pork or any kind of Ham.
- I have compared between Islam and Christianity and found that Islam is all about forgiveness more than Christianity.
and much MORE than that..

- no, we can't. Faith means that we try to do what He asked form us.
- We are sinners. And do only Christian commit crimes in - specially - Canada?

i never said that Muslims are perfect people, we all sin and we all do mistakes.. and i am the first one.
and no i didn't say that ALL Christians commit crimes.. I'm just showing you how Christians are taking advantage of that Jesus (peace be upon him) died for their sins..

That's what i meant

*sigh* Once more: NO, he wasn't

mmm.. no ofence to you.. but YES he was.. and i have proved it to you in the above link.

- im really bornig, am I? No, He is not mentioned in Bible

no your not boring.. i actually like these kind of debate with non-Muslims, as we can allways learn new stuff

- It makes difference. Because for centuries Jews were blamed for His death. But He was killed by Roman soldiers. Not by Jews. If You can'y see differece between "some Jews 2000 years ago" and "Jews", and between "kill" and "wanted Him death" - than i can't help You

thank you very much for not helping me, but no they are the one who insisted to have him killed and they forced the roman king to punish him.

Lamaggad - my ponit is: learn about us, befor You start comparing

duskiness - can i ask you what do you know about Islam?! and what are the things that you do not agree with?
please ask questions if you need any thing and I'll be glad to answer you

Thank you for answering my questions and concerns and i apologies if you got offended from my previous posts, my intention was only to share my knowledge about all three religions

 

[duskiness]

Hi - once again

diff rent translations and the original revelation of each bible i have seen are diff rent, even the pages are diff rents.. mmmm EVERY THING is different

- agreed. we translate Bible. But it doesn't make Bible diffrent. Just in diffrent language. "Oringinla revelation" - :? sorry i REALLY have no idea what You are meanig by that... pages diffrent- LOL, maybe diffrent edition? no, really Lamaggad- it really hard to find "different" (= diffrent books, different text) Bibles.
(if You want more info check :http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...ristians-requesting-answers-christians-2.html or http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/22634-some-errors-holy-bible.html)

how much more should i watch so i can learn the right christian believe?

lol i don't know. But the things You wrote in you're 1 post sounded for Christian in the way such a statment: "Muhammad wrote Quran, Muslims pray to Black Stone, like killing people and husbands beat their wifes every friday" sounds for Muslim. It simply false.

let me try to sort out what you have said..
you are saying that you believe in one God.. right? then you say Father is God; the Son is God; the Holy Spirit is God: which give the Total of 3 Gods..

NO. Thats the trick Father is God; the Son is God; the Holy Spirit is God and yet ther is ONE God

Father is Lord; the Son is Lord; the Holy Spirit is Lord:

- and yet there is One Lord.

what language are you speaking..? is that English??!

no, no I'm Polish

I'm really not following..

don't worry - that's normal

and why do you call it Trinity if he's only one :?

because He is One. And He is Trinty.
more discussion on this here:http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/23282-discussion-trinity-doctrine.html

no, it wasn't about vegetarian.. one of them said that they are forbidden to eat and the other was allowed..

hymmmm...i think i know basics of teaching of other denomination but i can't recall any prohibiting eating pork (or anything else as a matter of fact). Could You ask her?
"When we are saying we are allowed to eat what we want, we usually refer to:
Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.' " 17After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? 19For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean." /Mark 7/

sister... no need for your to be rude...

TRUE. I'm sorry Lamaggad.

I'm just trying to prove my point of view to others

- i wasn't "mad" about your pov, i know we strongly differ there.

here i am talking to you to discuss with you the stuff that i already know..

and here is the point: i was "mad" with You first stating that Christian "Believe in THREE Gods "God, Jesus & Maryam"" (Miriam??) and then saying You know what Christian belive. Because we don't believe in what You have said.

i did learn, i have very good Catholic friends and we all ways have discussions.. why aren't getting that point.. and here i am talking to you, and what you are saying contradicts their believes....

She/He is catholic? I'm also. It's more than strange that we differ in rudiments of our faith

i have compared three religions.. and this is what i found...
- Islam is the only religion that Believes in the three Holy Books and all messengers including Jesus, Ibrahim and Muhammad (Peace be upon them)

- You belive in 3 Book but on other hand say that 2 are so "corrupted" that Muslims can't belive in them

- I have read the Qur'an, and i found in it even scientific facts that i never found in the Bible or Torah..

- searching Jewish or Christian Bible for "scientific facts" is pointless (here we can agree ) .They are Books about God and faith. I read half of Quran. Working on the 2 half...

- I have learnt the reasons why I shouldn't believe in three gods or one god in 3 persons...

- that's a beliefe. there no reasons. or "The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of."

- I have learnt the scientific reasons on why should we pray five times a day, and i have compared our prayers with your prayers and Jews prayers, found out that our prayers even benefit our health in an amsing way...

Lamaggad - You pray not because of any scientific reasons! You pray 5 times because He have asked You to do this. Whether there are scientifc proofes or not.

- I have learnt why Islam and Judaism forbids pork or any kind of Ham.

- yup. and christians don't forbid it -
exept for your friend :giggling

- I have compared between Islam and Christianity and found that Islam is all about forgiveness more than Christianity.

-here we have come to opposing conclusions.

I'm just showing you how Christians are taking advantage of that Jesus (peace be upon him) died for their sins..

We say that faith without action is death. That's only shows what kind of faith those people have...

mmm.. no ofence to you.. but YES he was.. and i have proved it to you in the above link.

- i disagree, but i'll write about it next time, ok..?

thank you very much for not helping me, but no they are the one who insisted to have him killed and they forced the roman king to punish him.

-roman prosecutor in fact...and those who did it are death for sometime now. And rest is innocent.

duskiness - can i ask you what do you know about Islam?! and what are the things that you do not agree with?

i know SOME things... I studied at Uni comparative history of religion and Islam was there. I disagree with many (that's normal when one is a Christian ) but in the end i like Islam and Muslims. I like to watch salat. It's realy moving. And I thing it takes courage to wear hidjab in such a countries like mine...

please ask questions if you need any thing and I'll be glad to answer you

thx.

bless You
n.

 

[limitless]

Not to be on either side of this thread, but isn't it seem to be that both sides are attacking one another. There is too much heat, both sides need to calm down and relax a little bit. No offense but I read the posts, it seemed to me that Philp is attacking relentlessly, "Guess a simple citation of chapter and verse was too much to ask". I felt anger from his posts in contrast to "duskiness" posts. But again i might be wrong, only Allah knows.

 

[Phil12123]

Not to be on either side of this thread, but isn't it seem to be that both sides are attacking one another. There is too much heat, both sides need to calm down and relax a little bit. No offense but I read the posts, it seemed to me that Philp is attacking relentlessly, "Guess a simple citation of chapter and verse was too much to ask". I felt anger from his posts in contrast to "duskiness" posts. But again i might be wrong, only Allah knows.

No there is no attacking going on. Not sure how you saw that, especially the "attacking relentlessly," from that simple statement. No anger either. Maybe frustration from getting a mountain of reading material in answer to a simple question that I thought would have a simple answer.

And then she did give a simple answer, which I need to reply to, so all is well.

Peace

 

[Phil12123]

I appologies, here it is

"AND THE AHMED OF ALL NATIONS WILL COME." - HAGGAI, ii.7

"And I will shake all nations, and the Himdah all the nations will come; and I will fill this house with glory, says the Lord of hosts. Mine is the silver, mine is the gold, says the Lord of hosts, the glory of my last house shall be greater than that of the first one, says the Lord of hosts; and in this place I will give Shalom, says the Lord of hosts" (Haggai, ii. 7-9).

Before endeavoring to prove the fulfillment of this prophecy, it will be well to explain the etymology of the two words as briefly as possible:

(a) Himda. The clause in the original Hebrew text reads thus: "ve yavu himdath kol haggoyim," which literally rendered into English would be "and will come the Himda of all nations." The final hi in Hebrew, as in Arabic, is changed into th, or t when in the genitive case. The word is derived from an archaic Hebrew - or rather Aramaic - root hmd (consonants pronounced hemed). In Hebrew hemed is generally used in the sense of great desire, covet, appetite and lust. The ninth command of the Decalogue is: "Lo tahmod ish reikha" ("Thou shalt not covet the wife of thy neighbor"). In Arabic the verb hemida, from the same consonants hmd, means "to praise," and so on. What is more praised and illustrious than that which is most craved for, coveted, and desired? Whichever of the two meanings be adopted, the fact that Ahmed is the Arabic form of Himda remains indisputable and decisive. The Holy Quran (ch.61:6 ) declares that Jesus announced unto the people of Israel the coming of Ahmad: "And when Jesus, the son of Mary said: 'Children of Israel, I am sent to you by Allah to confirm the Torah that is before me, and to give news of a Messenger who will come after me whose name shall be Ahmad.' Yet when he came to them with clear proofs, they said: 'This is clear sorcery.'"

Sorry, Lamagadd, but I think the writer of the above material is really stretching things to say that Haggai 2:7-9 is talking about Muhammad. A very elaborate exercise but totally unconvincing. Just because an Arablic word for a Hebrew word form is or resembles some form of Muhammad, does not justify the leap of logic that it's talking about Muhammad. The verse is talking about the desire and wealth (silver, gold, etc.) of nations coming into the future Temple to fill it with glory, etc. That has nothing to do with Muhammad.

Look at those verses in other translations:

Haggai 2:7-9 (NASV)
7. `And I will shake all the nations; and they will come with the wealth of all nations; and I will fill this house with glory,' says the Lord of hosts.
8. `The silver is Mine, and the gold is Mine,' declares the Lord of hosts.
9. `The latter glory of this house will be greater than the former,' says the Lord of hosts, `and in this place I shall give peace,' declares the Lord of hosts."

Haggai 2:7-9 (NRSV)
7. and I will shake all the nations, so that the treasure of all nations shall come, and I will fill this house with splendor, says the Lord of hosts.
8. The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, says the Lord of hosts.
9. The latter splendor of this house shall be greater than the former, says the Lord of hosts; and in this place I will give prosperity, says the Lord of hosts.


Got any other verses?


Peace

 

[Lamaggad]

- agreed. we translate Bible. But it doesn't make Bible diffrent. Just in diffrent language. "Oringinla revelation" - :? sorry i REALLY have no idea what You are meanig by that... pages diffrent- LOL, maybe diffrent edition? no, really Lamaggad- it really hard to find "different" (= diffrent books, different text) Bibles.

OK do this... try to get 4 Qur'ans from four different place... and open a page randomly on one of them... you will find the exact same page with same verses and the same unit on the other three Qur'ans that you have...

they are NEVER different from each other unlike Bible or Torah... that's what i mean...

lol i don't know. But the things You wrote in you're 1 post sounded for Christian in the way such a statment: "Muhammad wrote Quran, Muslims pray to Black Stone, like killing people and husbands beat their wifes every friday" sounds for Muslim. It simply false.

i know you just gave this satetment as an example.. but I just have to correct it for you.. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon) did not write the Qur'an, it's all God's words

like killing people and husbands beat their wifes every friday

were did you get this from..!!!!!

Killing people are FORBIDDEN in Islam, and who commit to kill someone purposely he shall die.

Islam even have rules that we MUST follow in the war on how we should fight with our enemies:
:: we are not allowed to kill old people, women, children. no matter what.
:: we are not allowed to make chaos in the country were we are fighting, we are not even allowed to damage a tree or destroy houses or people's properties.
:: we are not allowed to kill unless for self defence.
:: and the list go's on ...

that proofs how Islam actually cares about souls even if they are non-Muslims, and we are even ordered to try to solves things diplomatically and peacefully without any blood with our enemies and try all decent ways to find a proper solution before we make a decision on going in to a war.

Husbands do not beat there wives on Fridays?!?!?! i don't know who told you this?!! go read the Qura'an, the woman is very honered in Islam more than any other religion, specially the Mums, there's even one Unit (Sura) in Qura'an called (Al-Nissa'a) women.

there is more than 6000 verses in Qura'an, and only ONE small verse that mentions that if the wife did not listen to her husband and she keeps disobeying him continuously, he can beat her LIGHTLY (that does NOT couse or shows any marks) IF it will be usefull, he is forbidden to hurt her physically on other words.

here is the verse

[34] Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allâh has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allâh and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allâh orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property). As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allâh is Ever Most High, Most Great.

Please feel free to ask me more question if you need to know more details about this

hymmmm...i think i know basics of teaching of other denomination but i can't recall any prohibiting eating pork (or anything else as a matter of fact). Could You ask her?

I'll ask her and let you know...

and here is the point: i was "mad" with You first stating that Christian "Believe in THREE Gods "God, Jesus & Maryam"" (Miriam??) and then saying You know what Christian belive. Because we don't believe in what You have said.

you don't believe in what i have said.. but others does.

She/He is catholic? I'm also. It's more than strange that we differ in rudiments of our faith

Yupe, she's catholic

Lamaggad - You pray not because of any scientific reasons! You pray 5 times because He have asked You to do this. Whether there are scientifc proofes or not.

I never said we were not ordered... but God have also given us reasons why we are ordered to do that.. i guess every thing should have a reason why to do it and why not to do it.

and if you would like to know the reasons why we are ordered to pray, and what are the scientific reasons of praying DIRECTED to the black stone in Makka?
please let me know and I'll either post them or pm you the information

- i disagree, but i'll write about it next time, ok..?

sure.. i'll be happy to read

i know SOME things... I studied at Uni comparative history of religion and Islam was there. I disagree with many (that's normal when one is a Christian ) but in the end i like Islam and Muslims. I like to watch salat. It's realy moving. And I thing it takes courage to wear hidjab in such a countries like mine...

it's very nice of you to say that
I would like to know from you what are the things you disagree with?
you list them here or pm them to me

bless You

God Bless you too
and thanks much for your respond

 

[Lamaggad]

Got any other verses?
Peace

I'll do some research and get back to you with other verses..

but the one i Have given i think you should read the whole article as there is more details in it.. as i took part of it and copied it in here.. so you may want to read the whole article in the main time till i get for something else from a different source.

 

[searchingsoul]

Muslims are the authority on Islam. Christians are the authority onChristianity. Jews are the authority on Judaism.

I would never have the audacity to speak for Islam or Judaism. Why a Muslim or would wish to speak for Christianity is beyond me. I find it not only disrespectful but also asinine.

 

[Lamaggad]

Muslims are the authority on Islam. Christians are the authority onChristianity. Jews are the authority on Judaism.

I would never have the audacity to speak for Islam or Judaism. Why a Muslim or would wish to speak for Christianity is beyond me. I find it not only disrespectful but also asinine.

Muslims believe in Bible and believe in Jesus, we can speak about them from what we believe in since both are mentioned in Qura'an... same thing about Torah and Prophet Ibrahim.

and by the way, I have showed differences between three religions, and why we do disagree with both Christianity and Judaism.

I don't think it's disrespectful at all, you can call it instead that i CARE, plus i Believe it's my right to spread the word of God and show the truth.

you where speaking couple of days ago about Palestinians that they should accept the defeat while you are not even Palestinians to speak about our behalf and you have never even lived thier or suffered like them... i never told you that you are not Palestinian then you can't speak.

in this thread... I have given what i believe in based on Islam, and you can either search your self for proofs that i am right... or basically disagree.

 

[searchingsoul]

and by the way, I have showed differences between three religions, and why we do disagree with both Christianity and Judaism.

Example:
Christianity
:: Believe in THREE Gods "God, Jesus & Maryam" and one Book "Bible"

:: They do not believe in Prophet Muhammad although he is mentioned in their Bible but unfortunately they keep denying it.
:: They do not believe in the Qura'an or even the Torah.

If you examine these claims you will find that most Christians do not agree with them. So it is not representative of Christianity and all arguments made invalid. It is misrepresenting Christianity.

I don't think it's disrespectful at all, you can call it instead that i CARE, plus i Believe it's my right to spread the word of God and show the truth.

I appreciate the care you have for other people. I think that with such care and your communication skills you could likely win over converts to Islam. Of course you would need to get your facts straight first.

you where speaking couple of days ago about Palestinians that they should accept the defeat while you are not even Palestinians to speak about our behalf and you have never even lived thier or suffered like them... i never told you that you are not Palestinian then you can't speak.

I'm thinking that a political issue is different than religious evangelism. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll think about it some more.

in this thread... I have given what i believe in based on Islam, and you can either search your self for proofs that i am right... or basically disagree.

 

[Lamaggad]

If you examine these claims you will find that most Christians do not agree with them. So it is not representative of Christianity and all arguments made invalid. It is misrepresenting Christianity.

you have said it, MOST Christians do not agree, but their is other MOST who does agree...

I do not represent Christianity, i represent Islam, my info about Christianity is what i read from books and my Christians friends.

 

[searchingsoul]

you have said it, MOST Christians do not agree, but their is other MOST who does agree...

I do not represent Christianity, i represent Islam, my info about Christianity is what i read from books and my Christians friends.

If most Christians do not agree with what you originally posted about Christianity, how is it valid? It clearly doesn't represent Christianity.

By taking this stance you are first going to have to 1)change the religion of Chrisitianity itself and 2)after Christianity has been altered to meet your standards you can work on Islamic conversion.

It doesn't make much sense. It would be easier for you to deal with factual information about Christianity and skip step one.

Bogus claims about religion rarely serve a positive purpose. They will turn non-muslims away more than they attract.

 

[Lamaggad]

If most Christians do not agree with what you originally posted about Christianity, how is it valid? It clearly doesn't represent Christianity.

By taking this stance you are first going to have to 1)change the religion of Chrisitianity itself and 2)after Christianity has been altered to meet your standards you can work on Islamic conversion.

It doesn't make much sense. It would be easier for you to deal with factual information about Christianity and skip step one.

Bogus claims about religion rarely serve a positive purpose. They will turn non-muslims away more than they attract.

I didn't say it's valid, again i didn't say I'm representing Christianity, you can disagree with it, since basically even Christians them selves disagree with each other... I got this info based on the books and Christians friend...

you can tel me what are the valid info so i can tell you why we disagree with them...
you are more than welcome to correct my views about Christianity.

 

[searchingsoul]

I didn't say it's valid, again i didn't say I'm representing Christianity, you can disagree with it, since basically even Christians them selves disagree with each other... I got this info based on the books and Christians friend...

you can tel me what are the valid info so i can tell you why we disagree with them...
you are more than welcome to correct my views about Christianity.

I think these views have been refuted well on this thread. It sounds like you got hold of some bad information. Sorry if I came across being harsh in my first statement.

 

[Lamaggad]

I think these views have been refuted well on this thread. It sounds like you got hold of some bad information. Sorry if I came across being harsh in my first statement.

why do you call it bad information?!? bcz it contradicts yours?!?
and I'm going to ask the same question... why should i believe you while i got those info from my christian friends and books...

does not my friends know what is their religion?

as i have mentioned in previous posts, i do know that not all Christians are the same as some of them forbids some stuff and some doesn't... some are Catholic zionism and some completely disagree with zionism... etc.

if you would like to post your beliefs so i can learn what type you are... you are more than welcome.

 

[evangel]

Here is the difference between Christianity and every other religion or philosophy I have ever heard of:
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God, not because of works, lest any man should boast.
I have been saved by grace. There is nothing that I can do; no alms I can give, no good deeds I can do, nothing that can take away the sin in me except the free gift I have received from Christ.

 

[dougmusr]

There is in fact a possible reference to Muhammad in the New Testament.

John 4:32 "There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true. 33 "You have sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. 34 "Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved. 35 "He was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light. 36 "But I have a greater witness than John's; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish--the very works that I do--bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me. 37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. 38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. 39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. 40 "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. 41 "I do not receive honor from men.
42 "But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. 43 "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.

Concerning the Trinity, first of all, Islam must believe in 2/3 of it since it is alluded to in the Quran.
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YUSUFALI: We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
PICKTHAL: And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture and We caused a train of messengers to follow after him, and We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), and We supported him with the Holy spirit. Is it ever so, that, when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay?
SHAKIR: And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent messengers after him one after another; and We gave Isa, the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit, What! whenever then a messenger came to you with that which your souls did not desire, you were insolent so you called some liars and some you slew.

I can swim in water, drink water, use water to wash things, and since I have a degree in chemistry I can probably even describe its molecular shape, weight, etc, yet in no way could I tell you how God made it or why He made it the way He made it. I see the Trinity the same way. Here's some verses in Isaiah showing it is Biblical.

Isaiah 48:12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them,
They stand up together. 16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me."

Notice that the "First and Last" is also the "Creator", but there's more, He has a "Lord GOD" and this "Lord GOD" has a "Spirit", and the two apparently agreed to send the "First and Last" to speak to Israel through Isaiah.

I think that muslims and christians would agree that we would die if the God of the universe revealed Himself to us in His full glory because of our sinfulness. If God wants to visit us in person, He has to come in another form. If He wants to influence us, He must send His Spirit. The Quran indicates this was done for Christ. The Bible shows it at Christ's baptism.

Judges 13:15 Then Manoah said to the Angel of the LORD, "Please let us detain You, and we will prepare a young goat for You." 16 And the Angel of the LORD said to Manoah, "Though you detain Me, I will not eat your food. But if you offer a burnt offering, you must offer it to the LORD. ' (For Manoah did not know He was the Angel of the LORD.) 17 Then Manoah said to the Angel of the LORD, "What is Your name, that when Your words come to pass we may honor You?" 18 And the Angel of the LORD said to him, "Why do you ask My name, seeing it is wonderful?" 19 So Manoah took the young goat with the grain offering, and offered it upon the rock to the LORD. And He did a wondrous thing while Manoah and his wife looked on--20 it happened as the flame went up toward heaven from the altar-- the Angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar! When Manoah and his wife saw this, they fell on their faces to the ground. 21 When the Angel of the LORD appeared no more to Manoah and his wife, then Manoah knew that He was the Angel of the LORD. 22 And Manoah said to his wife, "We shall surely die, because we have seen God!" 23 But his wife said to him, "If the LORD had desired to kill us, He would not have accepted a burnt offering and a grain offering from our hands, nor would He have shown us all these things, nor would He have told us such things as these at this time."

I think this has been addressed in earlier posts, but there are no christian churches today that believe Mary is part of the Trinity. The Catholic church perhaps elevates her to sainthood, but not God.

Obviously christians believe Christ was the Son of God.

John 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."

It is not enough to believe that Christ was a prophet to obtain forgiveness of sins through His sacrifice. That is attested by the preceeding verse. All die. The question is, when you die, will you die "in your sins"?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

A question if i may, why is some cirlcles is Islam known as Muhammedism?