Director James Cameron says he has found the body of Jesus (no, really)

brenton said:
I don't think this threatens belief in anyway. We'll see where the evidence leads. We rememer that archaeology doesn't "prove" anything. It is evidence. The evidence is interpreted, and its effect on the community is gauged.
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1.) Jesus married Mary Magdalene
2.) Jesus has a son
3.) Jesus's body was found.

This threatens all beliefs revolving around him, if found true.
 
Philosopher said:
1.) Jesus married Mary Magdalene
2.) Jesus has a son
3.) Jesus's body was found.

This threatens all beliefs revolving around him, if found true.
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Except for those who believe a novel like the DiVinci Code could be real. Makes for a great pop-culture belief system. All sorts of nice sayings, but no real impact on one's daily life.
 
Christians actually believe that Jesus didn't leave a body behind?

I somehow thought that was meant to be figurative, that his spirit rose from the dead. I know what the bible says, but I never thought the average Christian actually took it literally.
 
Pygoscelis said:
Christians actually believe that Jesus didn't leave a body behind?

I somehow thought that was meant to be figurative, that his spirit rose from the dead. I know what the bible says, but I never thought the average Christian actually took it literally.
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Very much so. It is even in the creeds. Further most even believe in a physical resurrection for all Christians at the end of time.

Do a google search and you will find website after website dedicated to citing historical and other evidences of the physical resurrection of Jesus. And it isn't some new phenomena. It has been the central question throughout Christian history. Here are a couple of 19th century takes on it:
After investigating the evidence of the resurrection, Lord Darling, former Chief Justice of England, stated, ". . . there exists such overwhelming evidence, positive and negative, factual and circumstantial, that no intelligent jury in the world could fail to bring in a verdict that the resurrection story is true."
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Professor Thomas Arnold, former chair of history at Oxford, and author of the famous volumes, History of Rome, was skillfully educated in the study of historical facts. Professor Arnold, stated, "I have been used for many years to study the histories of other times, and to examine and weigh the evidence of those who have written about them, and I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is PROVED BY BETTER AND FULLER EVIDENCE of every sort, than the great sign which God has given us that Christ died and rose again from the dead."
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This is one of the major reasons why the Christians on this board tend to bristle at the Muslim idea that it was Judas, not Jesus, who died on the Cross -- without Jesus' death there can be no resurrection, and the resurrection is the key event of our Christian faith.
 
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Philosopher said:
3.) Jesus's body was found
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after 2000 years? A BODY? WOW that would be a miracle indeed.

Christians actually believe that Jesus didn't leave a body behind?
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well yes- we do:
* about role of belief in resurrection in our faith:
2But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
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*about resurrected body:
35But someone may ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?" 36How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"[e]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we[f] bear the likeness of the man from heaven.

50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."[g]
55"Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?"
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both from 1Cor 15 (written by mean St. Paul)

I am becoming "Bible shaking" Christian, am I? Probably evil influence of "local" Protestants :D
 
Philosopher said:
Is it a Protestant belief that the anti-Christ will be a Pope?
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Not really. As with all other questions dealing with large numbers of people, I suppose that you might find a few of that mindset, but it certainly would not be the overall view common within protestantism.
 
Grace Seeker said:
Do a google search and you will find website after website dedicated to citing historical and other evidences of the physical resurrection of Jesus. And it isn't some new phenomena.
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:omg:

I'll quietly depart from this thread before I say something that may get me in trouble and offend somebody.
 
well muslims do believe that a man came in the place of jesus during crucifiction.. so it wouldn't contradict islamic teaching with the tomb.

HOWEVER, when it comes to the wife and kids and all... it definetely contradicts islamic teachings.

i think no one can believe it though, especially when you add the fact that they didn't even test the bones.. they buried them.. yeah, if they really believed it was true, they would at least test the bones.

they have found 26 other tombs that say "jesus, son of joseph." this is yet another one.
 
Bad News for Christians and Muslims

It's not proved 100%, just 600:1. So, just 99.8%. Here's why:

All leading epigraphers agree about the inscriptions. All archaeologists confirm the nature of the find. It comes down to a matter of statistics. A statistical study commissioned by the broadcasters (Discovery Channel/Vision Canada/C4 UK) concludes that the probability factor is 600 to 1 in favor of this tomb being the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth and his family. http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/tomb/about/about.html
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That means that Christians are now relying on, at the maximum, a .2% (less than 1%, or 1 in 2,000) likelihood of their Jesus Christ being a God and not just a mere human being. Everyone else is banking on 99.8% (better than 99 times out of 100, 998 out of a thousand) odds that you're wrong.

Determination of the tomb being Jesus Christ's went way further than just going, "Oh, it's enscribed Jesus, it must be Jesus Christ."
 
Woodrow said:
I find this to be an outrage to us Muslims also. Does not the Qur'an tell us that Isa(as) was raised up to Heaven.
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Yes Isa was raised to the heaven, but God swapped Isa with another person, and the person was crucified... so this body might belongs to that person... But God knows the best
 
Re: Bad News for Christians and Muslims

Philosopher said:
It's not proved 100%, just 600:1. So, just 99.8%. Here's why:

"All leading epigraphers agree about the inscriptions. All archaeologists confirm the nature of the find. It comes down to a matter of statistics. A statistical study commissioned by the broadcasters (Discovery Channel/Vision Canada/C4 UK) concludes that the probability factor is 600 to 1 in favor of this tomb being the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth and his family. http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence...out/about.html "

That means that Christians are now relying on, at the maximum, a .2% (less than 1%, or 1 in 2,000) likelihood of their Jesus Christ being a God and not just a mere human being. Everyone else is banking on 99.8% (better than 99 times out of 100, 998 out of a thousand) odds that you're wrong.

Determination of the tomb being Jesus Christ's went way further than just going, "Oh, it's enscribed Jesus, it must be Jesus Christ."
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Oh c'mon... you must know perfectly well that the "statistical study" will 'prove' precisely whatever those who commissioned it would like it to. We aren't even 99.8% certain that 'the' Jesus of Nazareth existed at at all, let alone that this is his tomb. Doesn't mean it isn't, of course, but I think at least a little more scepticism is in order!
 
north_malaysian said:
Yes Isa was raised to the heaven, but God swapped Isa with another person, and the person was crucified... so this body might belongs to that person... But God knows the best
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yes, but other tombs have said that like he had a son, and a wife and all that. so it would also contradict islamic teachings.
 
Re: Bad News for Christians and Muslims

Philosopher said:
It's not proved 100%, just 600:1. So, just 99.8%. Here's why:



That means that Christians are now relying on, at the maximum, a .2% (less than 1%, or 1 in 2,000) likelihood of their Jesus Christ being a God and not just a mere human being. Everyone else is banking on 99.8% (better than 99 times out of 100, 998 out of a thousand) odds that you're wrong.

Determination of the tomb being Jesus Christ's went way further than just going, "Oh, it's enscribed Jesus, it must be Jesus Christ."
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For more learned discussion of these stats than I can provide see this link: THE JESUS TOMB? ‘TITANIC’ TALPIOT TOMB THEORY SUNK FROM THE START
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PROBLEMS MULTIPLY FOR JESUS TOMB THEORY . Dr. Ben Witherington is a professor of New Testament Interpretation at Asbury Theological Seminary.
 
I don’t have a religious agenda in this topic. I believe Jesus died and was buried. And maybe the body was moved.
But as far as I’m concerned, this whole thing is obviously junk. Common names on a tomb. What an astounding fact. Two were not blood relatives. Wow, they had to be married. There is no other logical explanation, well maybe only a thousand. The Greek form of Mary. Give me a break, why would they use the Greek form? To identify a body after two thousand years is a little far fetched. The evidence has been ignored for something like 37 years. I can see why. It is so inconclusive that it is worthless.
 

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