Disappointment with God

tango92 · Nov 9, 2010

truth finder said:
Could you tell me who are those few people that enjoy intimate friendship with God? People who spend lots of time for prayer? People who spend lots of time for fast? People who donate large money to the poor? Although these things can be good, they do not make people come truly close to God. The only way people can come close to God is to become a child of God again. Although we were created a child of God, we became the enemy of God with our rebellions and sins. Unless the problem of sin is dealt with completely, we could never go before God, thus eternally separated from God. It does not matter how many good deeds you perform to compensate your past mistakes and sins in the balance of judgement. Complete forgiveness requires not only sincere repentance, but also paying the appropriate consequence for the sin. A large chuck of Torah was given to us by God to show the way to God’s forgiveness. when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. (Exodus 12:13) By the way, have you ever read Torah and understood the spiritual implication? Or still struggling to find the spiritual meaning of all kinds of animal sacrifices?

you answered basically a question i didnt ask. what you are saying is that believeing in jesus' crucifixion brings you close to God therefore all true christians believers are close to God?

Insaanah · Nov 10, 2010

Seems God in Christianity is not as loving as Christians make him out to be. On the one hand they say He is loving, then they attribute all sorts of unloving behaviour to him.

truth finder said:
It does not matter how many good deeds you perform to compensate your past mistakes and sins in the balance of judgement.

It is like saying to a student, it doesn't matter how hard you study, even if you get very good marks you will never pass. Glorified be the Majesty of God above such injustice!

We try to do good works, and hope for His Mercy, and we know our good works will not be in vain if done sincerely for God.

Here is what Allah says:

"Establish worship at the two ends of the day and in some watches of the night. Lo! good deeds annul bad deeds. This is reminder for the mindful. And be patient, for indeed, Allah does not allow to be lost the reward of those who do good." (11:114-115)

truth finder said:
Complete forgiveness requires not only sincere repentance, but also paying the appropriate consequence for the sin.

Woodrow said:
I do not see this as forgiveness. forgiveness erases all debt and there is no longer a price to be paid. To be forgiven we need only to repent fully and strive to become loyal servants of Allaah(swt). When our repentance is accepted, there is no longer any bill to pay, we no longer need to pay the purchase price as there is no charge for Allaah(swt)'s mercy.

Peace.

Ramadhan · Nov 10, 2010

Christians, like our latest resident evangelist truthfinder, are not aware that in Islam, we believe that ultimately only by God's mercy that we will be granted paradise as our good deeds alone is far from sufficient.

Meanwhile christians believe that God needs to pay for human sins for the entrance ticket to paradise.
No wonder many christians feel they can live their life to the "full" or to the "max" because they think God has paid for their sins and so they are guaranteed paradise, regardless of God's commands in their scripture.

جوري · Nov 10, 2010

naidamar said:
Christians like our latest evangelist, truthfinder, are not aware that in Islam, we believe that ultimately only by God's mercy that we will be granted paradise as our good deeds alone is far from sufficient. Meanwhile christians believe that God needs to pay for human sins for the entrance ticket to paradise. No wonder many christians feel they can live their life to the "full" or to the "max" because they think God has paid for their sins and so they are guaranteed paradise, regardless of God's commands in their scripture.

I saw this really funny clip today with evangies setting up shop in a mall with 'take a two minute quiz to see if you are going to make it into heaven' :lol: and the caption said 'can I get a receipt with that'-- everything about them outside of completely annoying and transgressing is just utterly insane. Surely they can't hope to win people with such nonsense? whatever happened to logic and intellect?

:w:

جوري · Nov 10, 2010

here it is in fact:

Posted:
Tuesday, September 28, 2010

M.I.A. · Nov 10, 2010

i find the term mangod really disrespectful, we all know who you are referring to and its not the proper way. dont hurt your own iman for the sake of an argument.

جوري · Nov 10, 2010

M.I.A. said:
mangod really disrespectful,

Indeed christians are disrespectful to the magistrate of God:

مَّا لَكُمْ لَا تَرْجُونَ لِلَّهِ وَقَارًا (71:13)
Basit - Hussari - Minshawi

Ma lakum la tarjoona lillahi waqaran
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we certainly don't worship what they worship, they don't worship what we worship and will not worship what we worship hence the mention of the verse twice:
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قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الْكَافِرُونَ (109:1)
Basit - Hussari - Minshawi

Qul ya ayyuha alkafiroona
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