Discussion/Questions on Sikhism

[- Qatada -]

Re: Spiritual wisdom v/s Religious dogma

Like I have said before for us, with exception of spouse, someone of about same age is brother or sister, someone younger is like a child and someone older is like a parent. So someone with a leveled mind can figure out how we would treat other people.

Well in islaam, anyone who hits puberty is an adult.

I knew you wouldn't understand. This is simply a comparison of God and our soul... But that's OK, if you don't understand but we know exactly what it means.

Why does she call her husband god, even though she doesn't know if he'll start falling into vices again, yet alone if he still commits them? And even if i don't understand, religion is supposed to be understandable, that's how others come to accept it.

This is true that a "true Sikh" is very rare. But at least, we know that we are already doing more than you are as God can't be negative. Therefore, all that killing that you people believe in can't please God. We also know that we will keep improving ourselves through re-incarnation until we achieve the state of perfection.

Who said God is negative? God only does what befits His Majesty - so He will punish those who are unjust and evil, yet He is ready to forgive them if they turn to Him in repentance before death overtakes them.

Yet God will reward those who did good to please Him, because they believed in His promise.


So what's so negative about that?

Not having enough knowledge of Christianity, I have no reason to agree or disagree with but as Christians claim that he was perfect and I don't see anything negative in Jesus' life. So if there were no Sikhi and I had to find a religion, I wouldn't mind following Jesus' path. There is nothing in Guru Granth Sahib that says anything about this. I am simply relying on what I have heard from Christians.

That's upto you, we don't believe that God has children because as stated earlier - He only does what befits His Majesty, and He is not in need of children. If God was to have children, He would need a spouse to have a 'child', which would mean He has a partner. If He had a partner, then that would mean He has an equal, which means there would be two Gods. If there were two Gods then if they disagree on a law/legislation, then they might argue, the whole universe would be in chaos and one would end up losing. Which one would mean this god is weak and therefore not God.

Well that's pretty sad that if there were an Islamic state, people would be killed for expressing themselves.

I just answered your claim before, please read what i said:

If someone starts swearing in public and insulting others in the UK, they can be reported and the person can get charged for that. That shows that freedom of expression is limited according to how the government sees fit. So similarly in an islamic state, the person can either stay quiet and not tell others that they've apostated, because it could harm other muslims. Or they can make it public and harm others, and then get the just punishment by the state.

During gurus' times, they lived in peace with Muslims unless they forcefully tried converting others. I have not heard of anybody being stopped from voluntarily conversion.

That's kinda sad. Don't your gurus' really want people to be with God in the hereafter? Why do they allow others to stray them off their way?

Maybe you could give us some examples...

The muslims who fight against drugs and other vices don't do it for the media, they do it to please Allaah. You've read the fatwa earlier which i've posted, which shows you that it's part of islaam to fight against evil drugs.

So maybe they don't show it on the media, but they are against it and may do it when CNN isn't recording them. I don't need to bring proofs because the fatwa is sufficient to tell you that we as muslims don't support these acts. It's upto you now to accept or reject.

If i believe some of the claims you make, which even contradict sometimes, then it is your part to accept what i say, especially since - praise be to Allaah there hasn't been any contradiction in my posts.

Unfortunately, these sell-outs are worse threat than some of the non-Sikh.

What's so bad if they leave the religion, i thought it was alright according to sikhi's for one to leave their faith so long as they did it out of freewill.



Regards.

 

[cali dude]

Re: Discussion between Muslims & Sikh's about random things.

No, a person can get distracted in prayer. But it doesn't mean that no-one should perform it. Rather we perform the prayer and work hard to remove other distractive thoughts out of our mind.

But prayer isn't really prayer until God is remembered.

You keep mentioning the 72 virgins, yet that is for the shaheed (martyrs) who are killed in the way of Allaah. Not for every single person of paradise. Don't you know that God allows us to have worldly pleasures in this world like marriage? If He permits it in this life, what's so wrong about having these pleasures in the hereafter? Especially since the hereafter is also physical, if God can create us once out of nothing - He can easily create us again physically.

If He forbids us from having intoxicants in this world because they're harmful to us as a trial, and they're not created harmful in the hereafter - then what's so wrong about that? This world has limitations, whereas the hereafter doesn't have the same limitations.


If you find that too hard to believe, question your belief about becoming God. I'm sure that's much more harder to believe than God rewarding those who submit to Him.

It's a simple logic that this body doesn't go with us. Therefore, something this body needs or desires goes with us and our soul doesn't need any of what our body needs or desires. Therefore, it's useless to have it all in paradise.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Re: Discussions and Questions on Sikhism

Just wondering what is the definition of God that is understood by the Sikh.

All you need to read to give you an understanding...

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php?title=Mool_Mantar

 

[- Qatada -]

Re: Discussion between Muslims & Sikh's about random things.

But prayer isn't really prayer until God is remembered.

Yes, but God knows that we as humans can get distracted. But that doesn't mean the whole prayer is rejected. Instead we seek refuge in God from satan and keep trying to focus in our prayer, no matter how much distractions come in our way.

It's a simple logic that this body doesn't go with us. Therefore, something this body needs or desires goes with us and our soul doesn't need any of what our body needs or desires. Therefore, it's useless to have it all in paradise.

Isn't it simple logic that God can create us once out of nothing, so He can create us once again?

Anyway the bodies of the people of paradise and hellfire will be different to the bodies of this world. So yes - it will be physical. A person dwells in this world, a person will dwell in paradise. There is nothing hard to believe about that.


Whenever you experience joy in this world, you remember that this joyment will end sometime in this world. If a person experiences sadness in this world, soon God will grant them something to be happy about.

These two extremes are purposelly given to us by God in this world so we reflect, and if we want eternal happiness - then we should strive for paradise, if we reject and turnaway from that invitation - then we're forcefully pushing ourselves into the fire, which is eternal sadness and regret. We seek refuge in God from that.

 

[cali dude]

Re: Spiritual wisdom v/s Religious dogma

Well in islaam, anyone who hits puberty is an adult.

Adulthood is determined by general age at which a person is capable of making sound decision on her/his own, of course with exception of mentally challenged people.

Why does she call her husband god, even though she doesn't know if he'll start falling into vices again, yet alone if he still commits them? And even if i don't understand, religion is supposed to be understandable, that's how others come to accept it.

You are mistaken. A soul is compared God as a wife is compared to her husband.

Who said God is negative? God only does what befits His Majesty - so He will punish those who are unjust and evil, yet He is ready to forgive them if they turn to Him in repentance before death overtakes them.

Yet God will reward those who did good to please Him, because they believed in His promise.

So what's so negative about that?

All that killing allowed in Islam is negative. If God wants to punish or reward people, leave it up to Him. Nobody should be playing God.

That's upto you, we don't believe that God has children because as stated earlier - He only does what befits His Majesty, and He is not in need of children. If God was to have children, He would need a spouse to have a 'child', which would mean He has a partner. If He had a partner, then that would mean He has an equal, which means there would be two Gods. If there were two Gods then if they disagree on a law/legislation, then they might argue, the whole universe would be in chaos and one would end up losing. Which one would mean this god is weak and therefore not God.

As I understand when they refer to Jesus as God's son, all it means is that relationship between Jesus and God is like son and father.

That's kinda sad. Don't your gurus' really want people to be with God in the hereafter? Why do they allow others to stray them off their way?

Gurus' Muslim associates like Peer Mian Meer were saints themselves, more like Sufi saints.

The muslims who fight against drugs and other vices don't do it for the media, they do it to please Allaah. You've read the fatwa earlier which i've posted, which shows you that it's part of islaam to fight against evil drugs.

So maybe they don't show it on the media, but they are against it and may do it when CNN isn't recording them. I don't need to bring proofs because the fatwa is sufficient to tell you that we as muslims don't support these acts. It's upto you now to accept or reject.

In other words, you can't provide any examples, except the people who are fighting along with the US forces.

If i believe some of the claims you make, which even contradict sometimes, then it is your part to accept what i say, especially since - praise be to Allaah there hasn't been any contradiction in my posts.

We are simply humans and we do make mistakes.

What's so bad if they leave the religion, i thought it was alright according to sikhi's for one to leave their faith so long as they did it out of freewill.

There is nothing wrong with it but they try spreading false stories about Sikhi, which is really bad. I hope you would say that a good Muslim wouldn't do that. There is saying in Hindi or maybe Urdu as well: Kayua chala hans ki chaal apni chaal vi bhool gaya. So they neither Sikh nor good Muslim.

 

[cali dude]

Re: Discussion between Muslims & Sikh's about random things.

Yes, but God knows that we as humans can get distracted. But that doesn't mean the whole prayer is rejected. Instead we seek refuge in God from satan and keep trying to focus in our prayer, no matter how much distractions come in our way.

Isn't it simple logic that God can create us once out of nothing, so He can create us once again?

Anyway the bodies of the people of paradise and hellfire will be different to the bodies of this world. So yes - it will be physical. A person dwells in this world, a person will dwell in paradise. There is nothing hard to believe about that.


Whenever you experience joy in this world, you remember that this joyment will end sometime in this world. If a person experiences sadness in this world, soon God will grant them something to be happy about.

These two extremes are purposelly given to us by God in this world so we reflect, and if we want eternal happiness - then we should strive for paradise, if we reject and turnaway from that invitation - then we're forcefully pushing ourselves into the fire, which is eternal sadness and regret. We seek refuge in God from that.

Let's put it this way. This logic really doesn't make sense to me and you can ask people of other religions before Islam if it really makes sense to them...

 

[- Qatada -]

Re: Spiritual wisdom v/s Religious dogma

Adulthood is determined by general age at which a person is capable of making sound decision on her/his own, of course with exception of mentally challenged people.

Yes, and when someone hits puberty they are ready. That's what puberty symbolises. If their not ready, then they don't need to get married.

You are mistaken. A soul is compared God as a wife is compared to her husband.

So a creation of God which is a soul, is compared to the Creator Himself?

All that killing allowed in Islam is negative. If God wants to punish or reward people, leave it up to Him. Nobody should be playing God.

Killing is permitted in sikhism. When? At the time when there is a danger for the people. The same in islaam. Except it has solid guidelines instead of leaving it upto the usual people to make their own interpretations.

As I understand when they say Jesus as God's son, all it means is that relationship between Jesus and God is like son and father.

Then that means you're not really following the way of the christians are you? As some claim that Jesus is God himself, while others say that Jesus is the real son of God.

Or maybe you don't know about the authenticity of the scripture? A scripture which the earliest manuscript is 300yrs after Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon them) was raised upto God?

Or maybe you feel that by simply believing that Jesus 'died' for your sins, you'll gain salvation for no matter what sins you do?

Gurus' Muslim associates like Peer Mian Meer were saints themselves, more like Sufi saints.

This was my question:

That's kinda sad. Don't your gurus' really want people to be with God in the hereafter? Why do they allow others to stray them off their way?

In other words, you can provide any examples, except the people who are fighting along with the US forces.

I've already said that i don't need to provide any. You've seen the islamic ruling, which is sufficient to explain that fighting against drugs is part of islaam, and a really rewardable and praiseworthy act if done for the sake of Allaah Alone.

We are simply humans and we do make mistakes.

i understand, just please don't claim that islaam does 'so and so' if you havn't read the full story either. Especially since those claims were used to attack islaam, when they were encouraged in the sikhi scripture themself.

There is nothing wrong with it but they try spreading false stories about Sikhi, which is really bad. I hope you would say that a good Muslim wouldn't do that. There is saying in Hindi or maybe Urdu as well: Kayua chala hans ki chaal apni chaal vi bhool gaya. So they neither Sikh nor good Muslim.

If what they say isn't authentic, then we don't need to believe it.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Re: Discussion between Muslims & Sikh's about random things.



to any Sikh:



I read about a Sikh writer who had ' few dozens' affairs....some of the women were younger than his children. It was mentioned in his biography.


What's the rule for a Sikh man who is not satisfied with his wife ? If man made law prohibits him to take more than one wife , then people like him will go for adultery. What's the solution here ?


Any punishment for adultery in Sikhism ?

I guess polygamy is only meant for Muslims because nobody else has ever been in such a situation when most men were killed.

--- uhhhhh, what about the world wars ? Surely many men were killed than women ? What Sikhism gives solutions for widows & unmarried women in these situations ?

Muslim woman, how rude of you?

---ooopps sorry ; what i was trying to say that only God knows about everything .


If u think a human being knows everything including all people's mind in the world , u r comparing him with God....that is very risky ' cause blashphemy is a major sin.....do u agree with it ?

or Guru Nanak was so close to God that he could read other people's minds...

--is it mentioned in ur holy book that he could read ALL people's minds ?

You didn't understand because apparently paradise to you means some place like on this earth where there are 72 virgins or alcohol is served.

--well , what's wrong with virgins or heavenly alcohol ( it won't cause harm to anybody .....don't u worry :statisfie )

 

[cali dude]

Re: Spiritual wisdom v/s Religious dogma

Yes, and when someone hits puberty they are ready. That's what puberty symbolises. If their not ready, then they don't need to get married.

To me, that's sickening. Someone should never marry someone who is young enough to be daughter or even neice.

So a creation of God which is a soul, is compared to the Creator Himself?

This is simply a comparison of relationship just like Jesus' relationship with God is considered same as father and son. God/soul relationship is considered that of husband/wife in Sikhi. Now please don't think it's more like sexual relationship. It's more like spiritual relationship.

Killing is permitted in sikhism. When? At the time when there is a danger for the people. The same in islaam. Except it has solid guidelines instead of leaving it upto the usual people to make their own interpretations.

Killing in Sikhi is only for self-defense and to protect the feeble.

Then that means you're not really following the way of the christians are you? As some claim that Jesus is God himself, while others say that Jesus is the real son of God.

Or maybe you don't know about the authenticity of the scripture? A scripture which the earliest manuscript is 300yrs after Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon them) was raised upto God?

Or maybe you feel that by simply believing that Jesus 'died' for your sins, you'll gain salvation for no matter what sins you do?

I simply like the perfection of Jesus Christ as Christians believe he had. If I understand correctly, Christians also believe that soul needs to be perfected before being united with God, so do we. But it doesn't matter as Sikhi is present which I believe in.

This was my question:

I've already said that i don't need to provide any. You've seen the islamic ruling, which is sufficient to explain that fighting against drugs is part of islaam, and a really rewardable and praiseworthy act if done for the sake of Allaah Alone.

Yeah but when it comes to something such a big challange, you don't fight against it

i understand, just please don't claim that islaam does 'so and so' if you havn't read the full story either. Especially since those claims were used to attack islaam, when they were encouraged in the sikhi scripture themself.

There is nothing in Sikh scriptures that says anything like but all of this doesn't make sense to me. That's all...

If what they say isn't authentic, then we don't need to believe it.

A better yet, a Punjabi saying: Dhobi da kutta na ghar da na ghaat da...

 

[cali dude]

Re: Discussion between Muslims & Sikh's about random things.

to any Sikh:

I read about a Sikh writer who had ' few dozens' affairs....some of the women were younger than his children. It was mentioned in his biography.

What's the rule for a Sikh man who is not satisfied with his wife ? If man made law prohibits him to take more than one wife , then people like him will go for adultery. What's the solution here ?

Any punishment for adultery in Sikhism ?

Sikhi is pure spirtuality, not a dogmatic religion. In Sikhi, we only do our best to improve ourselves from within and we don't make any law to punish people for personal affairs. They have to be punished as per law of the country they are living in.

--- uhhhhh, what about the world wars ? Surely many men were killed than women ? What Sikhism gives solutions for widows & unmarried women in these situations ?

Apparently, not as many that they had to have many wives.

---ooopps sorry ; what i was trying to say that only God knows about everything .

If u think a human being knows everything including all people's mind in the world , u r comparing him with God....that is very risky ' cause blashphemy is a major sin.....do u agree with it ?

A perfect soul in a human body could read people's minds.

--well , what's wrong with virgins or heavenly alcohol ( it won't cause harm to anybody .....don't u worry :statisfie )

If you don't understand, there is nothing I can do...

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Re: Discussions and Questions on Sikhism

Killing in Sikhi is only for self-defense and to protect the feeble.

As is in Islam.

 

[- Qatada -]

Re: Spiritual wisdom v/s Religious dogma

To me, that's sickening. Someone should never marry someone who is young enough to be daughter or even neice.

According to you, what if your forefathers did this time back and they were important sikhis, or what if someone from your previous 'life' did? It's because when someone hits puberty, their ready for marriage. There's nothing sickening about that.

There are men who get married, maybe around the age of 15, they get older and their wife dies. When their 40, they get married again to a female who's around 20. Now did you know that this 40yr old man is old enough to be her father?

This is simply a comparison of relationship just like Jesus' relationship with God is considered same as father and son. God/soul relationship is considered that of husband/wife in Sikhi. Now please don't think it's more like sexual relationship. It's more like spiritual relationship.

How is it? A soul of a woman compared to the guy who is god? Because that's what it seems by looking at the site.

Killing in Sikhi is only for self-defense and to protect the feeble.

Yes, so maybe someone defines feeble as someone who leaves sikhism and makes others do it too? Now because there aren't any clear cut boundaries in sikhism - then anyone can kill that apostate.

I simply like the perfection of Jesus Christ as Christians believe he had. If I understand correctly, Christians also believe that soul needs to be perfected before being united with God, so do we. But it doesn't matter as Sikhi is present which I believe in.

How do you know its authenticity?

And no christians believe that if you simply believe, no matter how much sins you have - you gain salvation. An easy way out huh?

Yeah but when it comes to something such a big challange, you don't fight against it

Did you know, you dont either. Because i havn't seen any ruling by any scholars of sikhis that say with evidence that fighting in sikhism is part of their religion. Even if you bring me the evidence, i still need solid evidence without any biases, safe?

That's exactly the same game you're playing.

There is nothing in Sikh scriptures that says anything like but all of this doesn't make sense to me. That's all...

Then it's better to ask in a good manner, and accept it when it comes to you. Yet you continously keep using the same arguments with me or others without accepting what i've continously repeated throughout the thread.

A better yet, a Punjabi saying: Dhobi da kutta na ghar da na ghaat da...

I know a kutta is a dog, but i need to flex up on my punjabi skills. Maybe its another dialect and you could translate it, but if its offensive - then please don't.

 

[Idris]

Re: Discussions and Questions on Sikhism

All that killing allowed in Islam is negative. If God wants to punish or reward people, leave it up to Him. Nobody should be playing God.

I am sure you would not say that if your sister or mom got raped or killed.

Laws are there for man's good.

 

[cali dude]

Re: Discussions and Questions on Sikhism

I am sure you would not say that if your sister or mom got raped or killed.

Laws are there for man's good.

Yes we would protect anyone from being raped even if we die in the process. That's why it says that a Sikh only fights to protect the feeble.

 

[cali dude]

Re: Spiritual wisdom v/s Religious dogma

According to you, what if your forefathers did this time back and they were important sikhis, or what if someone from your previous 'life' did? It's because when someone hits puberty, their ready for marriage. There's nothing sickening about that.

I don't know any of forefathers doing this but that would be nothing to be proud of and there is no way I would follow their footsteps.

There are men who get married, maybe around the age of 15, they get older and their wife dies. When their 40, they get married again to a female who's around 20. Now did you know that this 40yr old man is old enough to be her father?

There we go again. Nothing becomes the right thing to do just because people do it.

How is it? A soul of a woman compared to the guy who is god? Because that's what it seems by looking at the site.

Again, I am not sure if you are going to be able to understand because of difference in background. As I believe that one of the reasons why it's said because in order for a soul to be united with God, the soul has to please God just as a wife to her husband. Other reason why God is considered husband because he is considered the provider.

Yes, so maybe someone defines feeble as someone who leaves sikhism and makes others do it too? Now because there aren't any clear cut boundaries in sikhism - then anyone can kill that apostate.

When I said, it doesn't refer to anyone leaving Sikhi. A feeble is someone who can't help her/himself and is being victimized by someone much stronger.

How do you know its authenticity?

And no christians believe that if you simply believe, no matter how much sins you have - you gain salvation. An easy way out huh?

It really doesn't matter as we have the Sikhi now. One of the Christians told me that sin is still a sin even if you commit it after accepting Jesus. But he did say that Jesus works as a mediator as an impure soul can't be united with God - the pure. In Sikhi, we believe in purify soul so that it can be united with God as well. The only difference is that we have no mediator.

Did you know, you dont either. Because i havn't seen any ruling by any scholars of sikhis that say with evidence that fighting in sikhism is part of their religion. Even if you bring me the evidence, i still need solid evidence without any biases, safe?

That's exactly the same game you're playing.

Well Sikh History shows that we have fought the oppressors and now we have the Govt and police to fight drugs.

Then it's better to ask in a good manner, and accept it when it comes to you. Yet you continously keep using the same arguments with me or others without accepting what i've continously repeated throughout the thread.

That's because your arguments don't make sense to me.

I know a kutta is a dog, but i need to flex up on my punjabi skills. Maybe its another dialect and you could translate it, but if its offensive - then please don't.

No it's not bad. It's simply a saying in Punjabi. Dhobi is launderyman, Ghaat is where he does laundry and ghar is of course home. It means that someone astray as dhobi's dog doesn't belong to the laundry place or home.

 

[- Qatada -]

Re: Spiritual wisdom v/s Religious dogma

I don't know any of forefathers doing this but that would be nothing to be proud of and there is no way I would follow their footsteps.

There we go again. Nothing becomes the right thing to do just because people do it.

None of your points hold any weight whatsoever, because you continuously keep saying that it's not the right thing to do, just because you feel its not the right thing to do. Yet other people feel otherwise. So one opinion, and another opinion. Then someone watching has to simply say - so what?

Again, I am not sure if you are going to be able to understand because of difference in background. As I believe that one of the reasons why it's said because in order for a soul to be united with God, the soul has to please God just as a wife to her husband. Other reason why God is considered husband because he is considered the provider.

Yeah, and its so ironic how you created the thread that women don't have rights in islaam. Men are the providers of women also, and nowhere in our islaam does it label man as God, even if they provide - because it is God Himself who provides man with what he gains.

So the guy provides her with food, and due to that she has to call him god. If she has to call him god, then that means he's probably got much more rights over her because she is his creation, as she is the soul right?

When I said, it doesn't refer to anyone leaving Sikhi. A feeble is someone who can't help her/himself and is being victimized by someone much stronger.

Who said that? Who defined it? Or did you simply interpret it to your own will?

It really doesn't matter as we have the Sikhi now. One of the Christians told me that sin is still a sin even if you commit it after accepting Jesus. But he did say that Jesus works as a mediator as an impure soul can't be united with God - the pure. In Sikhi, we believe in purify soul so that it can be united with God as well. The only difference is that we have no mediator.

The christians have many denominations, some even claim that deeds are dependant upon faith, but they'll change their mind when discussing with another person.

We believe in purification too, and thats by doing good deeds as good deeds remove the evil deeds, and those who purify their souls are the succesful. But it has to be according to the prophetic way. No innovations in worship.

Well Sikh History shows that we have fought the oppressors and now we have the Govt and police to fight drugs.

It's okay for me to say that i don't believe you right? Because you don't believe what i say, and not just that - you don't even have evidence from your scripture which says that intoxicants are forbidden right?

That's because your arguments don't make sense to me.

No, its not that. Its because you don't want to accept my arguments. All you want to do is to ignore them and push them onto someone else, and if they respond - you simply ignore it just to use as an argument again in the future or in another thread.

Whenever you say they don't make sense, then why don't you simply ask how. It's easy to say that your arguments don't make sense without even bringing any evidence against it, but by simply saying they don't make sense means you chose to ignore them.

No it's not bad. It's simply a saying in Punjabi. Dhobi is launderyman, Ghaat is where he does laundry and ghar is of course home. It means that someone astray as dhobi's dog doesn't belong to the laundry place or home.

Acha, manu samaj aagi eh. [Alright, i understood ya.]



Regards.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Re: Discussions and Questions on Sikhism

Yes we would protect anyone from being raped even if we die in the process. That's why it says that a Sikh only fights to protect the feeble.

What if your not there? How do u deal with it then?

 

[cali dude]

Re: Spiritual wisdom v/s Religious dogma

None of your points hold any weight whatsoever, because you continuously keep saying that it's not the right thing to do, just because you feel its not the right thing to do. Yet other people feel otherwise. So one opinion, and another opinion. Then someone watching has to simply say - so what?

Does any of the other religions ever say that it OK for someone in 40's to marry a child? Even there are laws in civilized societies today.

Yeah, and its so ironic how you created the thread that women don't have rights in islaam. Men are the providers of women also, and nowhere in our islaam does it label man as God, even if they provide - because it is God Himself who provides man with what he gains.

So the guy provides her with food, and due to that she has to call him god. If she has to call him god, then that means he's probably got much more rights over her because she is his creation, as she is the soul right?

No it's the other way. Relationship of soul to God is compared to that of wife and husband. It doesn't mean the husband is God.

The christians have many denominations, some even claim that deeds are dependant upon faith, but they'll change their mind when discussing with another person.

We believe in purification too, and thats by doing good deeds as good deeds remove the evil deeds, and those who purify their souls are the succesful. But it has to be according to the prophetic way. No innovations in worship.

If you believe in purification, how come you don't believe in avoiding all of the vices like lust? In fact, you even believe that these things exist even when you go to paradise.

It's okay for me to say that i don't believe you right? Because you don't believe what i say, and not just that - you don't even have evidence from your scripture which says that intoxicants are forbidden right?

Guru Granth Sahib believes in achieving such a spiritual stage where you are forever in a bliss and you don't need any intoxicants... Of course, there are strict instructions to Amritdhari (baptized) Sikhs.

 

[cali dude]

Re: Discussions and Questions on Sikhism

What if your not there? How do u deal with it then?

Then they are dealt by law in a civilized manner....

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

And what punishment would u think is necessary? The punishment should be as "civil" as teh crime committed. People like that dont deserve to get off so easy.