Do I have to have my male children circumcised?

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I am a Muslim convert.

Circumcision isn't mentioned in the Qur'an.. I know it is mentioned in the ahadith, but of course, many things are mentioned in the ahadith. Including female circumcision.. but no way am I allowing that on my children.

I love Islam and I love Muhammed (pbuh) and I wish to follow him but circumcision is the one thing which I feel dubious about. Doesn't Allah (swt) want us to collectively worship him, but in our own way?

I can't help but feel circumcision is a cultural thing. I have no view on whether circumcision is good in Islam or bad in Islam, but I just want to do what I feel is right, and that is not to circumcise any of my children.

Would this have any implications? I can imagine in the future one of my son's whipping his thing out for the first time with his wife and she's like.. "what is this?" lol.
 
I forgot to mention..
Maybe I should not have created this thread. Let me say that there is 100% no way that I am allowing any of my children to be circumcised. The only chance it will happen is if they grow older and decide it for themselves. I am a very nature-loving person and the Qur'an backs me up on this.. "We have indeed created man in the 'best of moulds'." (Qur'an 95:4)

I have huge respect for Muslims who are circumcised because they do so to honour Muhammed (pbuh), but I also hope that Muslims can respect me and my Muslim children who will not be circumcised, as it is what I believe and is my own way of worshipping Allah (swt) and his perfect creation.
 
Actually you don't really have a choice, this is not something that was created by Prophet Muhammad, its a law that has been around since the time of Prophet Abraham, which is why all jews are also circumsised.

Also you're making this sound like a bad thing, circumcision is best for cleanliness and protection against diseases, its just like cutting your nails. Also we don't do things to honour the prophet muhammad but only to please and obey Allah.
 
Edit the end of your first post, that's disgusting. <_<

Even non-Muslims nowadays are doing because of the health issue that arises later on. It's best to do when they're new-born. I'm sure they'll grow up and forget. :rolleyes:
 
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As'Salaam Alaaykum

I love Islam and I love Muhammed (pbuh) and I wish to follow him

Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [Al Qur'aan 3:31]


but I also hope that Muslims can respect me and my Muslim children who will not be circumcised, as it is what I believe and is my own way of worshipping Allah (swt) and his perfect creation.

If you have your own way of worshipping, isnt that then 'your' own way? When Allaah (SWT) already told us how he wants us to worship him, through Qur'aan and ahadeeth? you have to realise that what ever Allaah forbade is for our own safety and what he allowed is for our good. There is no harm in what he allowed. It is only something good.

Also you asked the question, what is the reason to ask if you do not wish to go ahead according to the answer? There must have been a reason, you made it to the forum to ask and needed a sincere answer, therefore you recieved the answers.

I apologise if ive said anything harsh, my intention was not to sound harsh even though it may have come across that way.

 
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female circumcision isn't part of Islamic practice. I hope you WILL NOT subject your female children to that!
 
Jεώel oғ ωïѕdoм;1461207 said:
As'Salaam Alaaykum



Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [Al Qur'aan 3:31]




If you have your own way of worshipping, isnt that then 'your' own way? When Allaah (SWT) already told us how he wants us to worship him, through Qur'aan and ahadeeth? you have to realise that what ever Allaah forbade is for our own safety and what he allowed is for our good. There is no harm in what he allowed. It is only something good.

Also you asked the question, what is the reason to ask if you do not wish to go ahead according to the answer? There must have been a reason, you made it to the forum to ask and needed a sincere answer, therefore you recieved the answers.

I apologise if ive said anything harsh, my intention was not to sound harsh even though it may have come across that way.

Salaam,
Allah swt has not told us things through Ahadeeth Be careful in your words please.

And the lady who creased this thread, I guess she is just looking to see if there are those that would support her.

See this: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1731&CATE=115

SO to the original poster, you should see that circumcision is part of Monotheism. No one HAS to do anything, rather we do it out of choice. That is the point of this world of Free will from Allah. If you wish to give your children the choice, then that is up to you.
All we can do is earnestly search for truth, reject falsity, and purify ourselves for our Lord.

Peace
 
Salaam,
Edit the end of your first post, that's disgusting. <_<
Really? Disgusting for a wife to see her husbands awrah?
It is in the Quran from Allah that husbands and wives can see each other's awrah. And it is of course natural.

Peace
 
Allah swt has not told us things through Ahadeeth Be careful in your words please.

Wa Alaaykum As'Salaam

I apologise for my mistakes. jazakallaahu khaayr for pointing this out.

I should have said Allaah and his messenger (saw).
 
Jεώel oғ ωïѕdoм;1461207 said:
If you have your own way of worshipping, isnt that then 'your' own way? When Allaah (SWT) already told us how he wants us to worship him, through Qur'aan and ahadeeth? you have to realise that what ever Allaah forbade is for our own safety and what he allowed is for our good. There is no harm in what he allowed. It is only something good.

Also you asked the question, what is the reason to ask if you do not wish to go ahead according to the answer? There must have been a reason, you made it to the forum to ask and needed a sincere answer, therefore you recieved the answers.


I apologise if ive said anything harsh, my intention was not to sound harsh even though it may have come across that way.


The question wasn't about circumcision itself, but how the Muslim community reacts to Muslims that aren't circumcised. There is a growing community of Muslims who are against circumcision, it is an element of culture that has made its way into Islam. The Qur'an is very clear on the matter - Allah (swt) made humans perfect, and in my eyes there is no difference between male/female circumcision, both are mutilation of Allah's (swt) creation:

"You will not see any flaw in what the Lord of Mercy creates." (Qur'an 67:3)

Like I previously said.. I am a very nature loving person and I believe that things should be left "as is". Indeed science has shown us the many uses of the foreskin which Allah (swt) placed on the human body for a purpose

  • Ridged Bands. The inner foreskin contains bands of densely innervated, sexually responsive tissue. They constitute a primary erogenous zone of the human penis and are important for realizing the fullness and intensity of sexual response.
    [*] Specialized sensory tissue. In addition to the 'ridged bands' mentioned above, thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors (Meissner’s corpuscles) constitute the most important sensory component of the penis. The foreskin contains branches of the dorsal nerve and between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types, which are capable of sensing slight motion and stretch, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations in texture. Thus, up to 20,000 nerve endings are removed by circumcision. Note that the most sensitive part of the penis is the tip of the foreskin (the transitional region from external to internal prepuce). This part is always removed in circumcisions.
    [*] Protection. The sleeve of tissue (foreskin) normally covers the sensitive glans and protects it from abrasion, drying, callusing (keratinization), and environmental contaminants. The inner lining of the foreskin consists of soft mucosa lubrication layer, like behind one's eyelids, or the inner lips, thus protecting the sensitive glans from abrasion. The glans (concealed in the picture) is intended to be a protected internal organ, like the female clitoris. The internal glans are highly sensitive, but after circumcision, begins to loose its sensitivity through abrasion in diaper and underwear. For the first few weeks, it is very painful to the touch of fabric or diaper. It is similar to the human eyeball, which is protected by the eye lids. One would not touch the eyeballs directly but over the eyelids only - it is that sensitive. After circumcision, the exposed glans begins to dry-out and keratinize (builds hardened cell layer on the outside as a defence from environmental contaminants).
    [*]In normal activity during adult life, even after loosing most of the sensitivity through abrasion post-circumcision, the abrasion/chafing of the glans against underwear without the protection of the foreskin causes constant, irritating 'abrasive' feelings. This is very uncomfortable in reality for the adult male. However, as the procedure is usually done at childhood and the discomfort is consistent from then on, the brain learns to cope with it by suppressing these feelings. Nevertheless, a conscious effort can reveal this discomfort during adulthood and all circumcised males have it.
    [*] The Frenulum. A Frenulum is a small fold of tissue that secures or restricts the motion of a mobile organ to the body. Frenulums can be found under the tongue and on the inside of the human lips. On the human penis, a Frenulum connects the foreskin to the glans to pull the foreskin over the glans when not aroused in order to protect it. This Frenulum is a highly nerve-laden web of tissue.
    [*] Proper blood flow. The foreskin contains several feet of blood vessels, including the frenular artery and branches of the dorsal artery. The loss of this rich vascularization interrupts normal blood flow to the shaft and glans of the penis, damaging the natural function of the penis and altering its development.
Immunological defense. The soft mucosa of the inner foreskin produces plasma cells, which secrete immunoglobulin antibodies, and antibacterial and antiviral proteins, such as the pathogen-killing enzyme called lysozyme. All of the human mucosa (the linings of the mouth, eyelids, vagina, foreskin and anus) are the body's first line of defense against disease. This benefit of the foreskin could be one possible explanation why intact men are at lower risk of chlamydia and other sexually transmitted diseases.
Gliding action. The foreskin is the only moving part of the penis. During any sexual activity, the foreskin and glans work in unison; their mutual interaction creates a complete sexual response. During intercourse, the non-abrasive gliding of the penis in and out of itself within the vagina facilitates smooth and pleasurable intercourse for both partners. Circumcision not just involves cutting away, but stitching all around the foreskin permanently to the shaft. Thus foreskin cannot glide any more and makes the circumcised penis a static organ.
The shaft/glans also retract inwards/outwards throughout the day in the flaccid state varying with bodily parameters. In an intact penis, the foreskin glides smoothly over the glans as necessary, excess skin gathers ahead of the glans if needed. On a circumcised penis, the cut foreskin buckle and crease against the stitched position on the shaft as it retracts, preventing the shaft/glans from retracting properly and causing discomfort. The stitched foreskin acts like a spring preventing the retraction of the penis. This push of the buckled foreskin against the joint (stitch) during retractions through out the day (as well as pull during erection) is unnatural and uncomfortable compared to an intact naturally gliding foreskin-glans combination. All circumcised males have to again, subconsciously learn to ignore the discomfort. Stinging sensations along the stitched position may be felt during adulthood.
Proper lymph flow. The foreskin contains lymphatic vessels, which are necessary for proper lymph flow and immunological functioning.
Langerhans cells. These specialized epithelial cells are a component of the immune system and may play a role in protecting the penis from sexually transmitted infections such as HIV (AIDS).
Dartos Fascia. This is a smooth temperature-sensitive muscle sheath that underlies the scrotum, the entire penis and the tip of the foreskin. It is necessary for proper temperature regulation of the genitals (causing these structures to elongate in the heat and shrink in the cold). Approximately half of the Dartos Fascia is destroyed by circumcision. In circumcised males, the glans can become cold at times due to the missing temperature control mechanism (exposed glans).
Sebaceous glands. The oils produced by these glands lubricate and moisturize the foreskin and glans, so that the two structures function together smoothly.
Full penis length and circumference. The foreskin creates a visibly longer penis, especially when the foreskin extends beyond the head of the penis. Also, the double-layered tissue of the foreskin engorges with blood during erection and creates a visibly and sensually thicker shaft and glans. When the engorged foreskin retracts behind the coronal ridge of the glans, it often creates a wider and more pronounced "ridge" that many partners find especially stimulating during penetrative intercourse. The circumcised penis appears truncated and thinner than a full-sized intact penis.
Risk of death from surgery. Every year in the United States alone, an estimated 100 boys die from the complications of circumcision. Worldwide the figure is much higher, a fact that the American circumcision industry ignores, obscures, or downplays.
Risk of delayed or diminished maternal bonding. Circumcision, even if anaesthesia is used, causes unavoidable operative trauma and post-operative pain that has been shown to disrupt bonding with the mother, which in turn interferes with the first developmental task of every human, that of trust (trust in human contact, in personal safety, etc)."
Oestrogen Receptors. The presence of estrogen receptors within the foreskin has only recently been discovered. Their purpose is not yet understood and needs further study.
Neurological Sexual Communication. Although never studied scientifically, contemporary evidence suggests that a penis without its foreskin lacks the capacity for the subtle neurological "cross-communication" that occurs only during contact between mucous membranes and which contributes to the experience of sexual pleasure. Amputating an infant boy's multi-functional foreskin is a low-grade neurological castration"[Immerman], which diminishes the intensity of the entire sexual experience for both the circumcised male and his partner).


Like I said.. could anyone dare to say that I am not a Muslim because I refuse circumcision?
 
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Salaam,

Really? Disgusting for a wife to see her husbands awrah?
It is in the Quran from Allah that husbands and wives can see each other's awrah. And it is of course natural.

Peace

No i do not believe that was what the sister meant. nor did the sister say that, please be careful in your words also.

maybe if you ask the sister, before coming up with conclusions it would be much safer.

jazakallaahu Khaayr.
 
Clearly something has went wrong with my post #11 in this thread, it's really messing up the entire thread lol. Could a moderator please edit or delete the post?
 
Jεώel oғ ωïѕdoм;1461222 said:


No i do not believe that was what the sister meant. nor did the sister say that, please be careful in your words also.

maybe if you ask the sister, before coming up with conclusions it would be much safer.

jazakallaahu Khaayr.
:), confusing the meaning of a person's question, and saying something is from Allah are two completely different levels of mistakes.

Wasalaam...


Where have I said its disgusting for a wife to see her husbands awrah? Him mentioning it the way he did was disturbing and useless. Nobody wants to know what his future sons wife reaction will be when she sees his awrah. Sheesh. :hmm:

OP have a look at this - http://blog.onlyislam.net/2011/05/is-circumcision-compulsory-in-islam-by.html
Wasalam, ya I see. My apologies to you :)
The OP was giving a valid question, about would a Muslim wife accept her uncircumsised son. Maybe the wording was not tactful for the sensibilities of an Islamic Forum.


Peace
 
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:), confusing the meaning of a person's question, and saying something is from Allah are two completely different levels of mistakes.

Peace

As'Salaam Alaaykum

Am I not grateful that one has corrected me? I am grateful to you for correcting a mistake of mine.

or is it better to continue in blaming one of a mistake, that he has realised due to correction?

jazakallaahu Khaayr.
 
Clearly something has went wrong with my post #11 in this thread, it's really messing up the entire thread lol. Could a moderator please edit or delete the post?

inshaa'Allaah mods will atend as soon as they can to sort this problem.
 
Jεώel oғ ωïѕdoм;1461232 said:


inshaa'Allaah mods will atend as soon as they can to sort this problem.

Haha yes I hope so. It's giving me a headache just looking at it. Crazy internet :sorry:
 
Assalam Alekum Respected Brother Kabeer.



(4:59) Believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and those from among you who are invested with authority; and then if you were to dispute among yourselves about anything refer it to Allah and the Messenger89 if you indeed believe in Allah and the Last Day; that is better and more commendable in the end.
Chap 4 Al-Nisa.


Explanation.

This verse is the cornerstone of the entire religious, social and political structure of Islam, and the very first clause of the constitution of an Islamic state. It lays down the following principles as permanent guidelines:

(1) In the Islamic order of life, God alone is the focus of loyalty and obedience. A Muslim is the servant of God before anything else, and obedience and loyalty to God constitute the centre and axis of both the individual and collective life of a Muslim. Other claims to loyalty and obedience are acceptable only insofar as they remain secondary and subservient, and do not compete with those owed to God. All loyalties which may tend to challenge the primacy of man's loyalty to God must be rejected. This has been expressed by the Prophet (peace be on him) in the following words: 'There may be no obedience to any creature in disobedience to the Creator.' (Muslim, 'Iman', 37; Ahmad b. Hanbal, Musnad, vol. 3, p. 472 - Ed.)

(2) Another basic principle of the Islamic order of life is obedience to the Prophet (peace be on him). No Prophet, of course, is entitled to obedience in his own right. Obedience to Prophets, however, is the only practical way of obeying God, since they are the only authentic means by which He communicates His injunctions and ordinances to men. Hence, we can obey God only if we obey a Prophet. Independent obedience to God is not acceptable, and to turn one's back on the Prophets amounts to rebellion against God. The following tradition from the Prophet (peace be on him) explains this: 'Whoever obeyed me, indeed obeyed God; and whoever disobeyed me, indeed disobeyed God.' (Bukhari, 'Jihad', 109; 'I'tisam', 2; Muslim, 'Amarah', 32, 33; Nasa'i, 'Bay'ah', 27; etc. - Ed.) We shall see this explained in more detail a little further on in the Qur'an.

(3) In the Islamic order of life Muslims are further required to obey fellow Muslims in authority. This obedience follows, and is subordinate to, obedience to God and the Prophet (peace be on him). Those invested with authority (ulu al-amr) include all those entrusted with directing Muslims in matters of common concern. Hence, persons 'invested with authority' include the intellectual and political leaders of the community, as well as administrative officials, judges of the courts, tribal chiefs and regional representatives. In all these capacities, those 'invested with authority' are entitled to obedience, and it is improper for Muslims to cause dislocation in their collective life by engaging in strife and conflict with them. This obedience is contingent, however, on two conditions: first, that these men should be believers; and second, that they should themselves be obedient to God and the Prophet (peace be on him). These two conditions are not only clearly mentioned in this verse they have also been elucidated at length by the Prophet (peace be on him) and can be found in the Hadith. Let us consider, for example, the following traditions: A Muslim is obliged to heed and to obey an order whether he likes it or not, as long as he is not ordered to carry out an act of disobedience to God (ma'siyah). When ordered to carry out an act of disobedience-to God he need neither heed nor obey.

There is no obedience in sin; obedience is only in what is good (ma'ruf). (For these traditions see Bukhari, 'Ahkam', 4; 'Jihad', 108; Muslim, 'Amarah', 39; Tirmidhi, 'Jihad', 29; Ibn Majah, 'Jihad', 40; Ahmad b. Hanbal, Musnad, vol. 2, pp. 17 and 142 - Ed.)

There will be rulers over you, some of whose actions you will consider good and others abominable. Who even disapproves of their abominable acts will be acquitted of all blame, and whoever resents them he too will remain secure (from all blame); not so one who approves and follows them in their abominable acts. They (i.e. the Companions) asked: 'Should we not fight against them?' The Prophet (peace be on him) said: 'No, not as long as they continue to pray.' (See Bukhari, 'Jihad', 108 - Ed.)

This means that their abandonment of Prayer will be a clear sign of their having forsaken obedience to God and the Prophet (peace be on him). Thereafter it becomes proper to fight against them. In another tradition the Prophet (peace be on him) says:

Your worst leaders are those whom you hate and who hate you; whom you curse and who curse you. We asked: 'O Messenger of God! Should we not rise against them?' The Prophet (peace be on him) said: 'No, not as long as they establish Prayer among you: not as long as they establish Prayer among you.' (See Muslim, 'Amarah', 65, 66; Tirmidhi, 'Fitan', 77; Darimi, 'Riqaq, 78; Ahmad b. Hanbal, Musnad, vol. 6, pp. 24, 28 - Ed.)

In this tradition the position is further clarified. The earlier tradition could have created the impression that it was not permissible to revolt against rulers as long as they observed their Prayers privately. But the latter tradition makes it clear that what is really meant by 'praying' is the establishment of the system of congregational Prayers in the collective life of Muslims. This means that it is by no means sufficient that the rulers merely continue observing their Prayers: it is also necessary that the system run by them should at least be concerned with the establishment of Prayer. This concern with Prayer is a definite indication that a government is essentially an Islamic one. But if no concern for establishing Prayer is noticed, it shows that the government has drifted far away from Islam making it permissible to overthrow it. The same principle is also enunciated by the Prophet (peace be on him) in another tradition, in which the narrator says: 'The Prophet (peace be on him) also made us pledge not to rise against our rulers unless we see them involved in open disbelief, so that we have definite evidence against them to lay before God' (Bukhari and Muslim).

(4) In an Islamic order the injunctions of God and the way of the Prophet (peace be on him) constitute the basic law and paramount authority in all matters. Whenever there is any dispute among Muslims or between the rulers and the ruled the matter should be referred to the Qur'an and the Sunnah, and all concerned should accept with sincerity whatever judgement results. In fact, willingness to take the Book of God and the Sunnah of His Messenger as the common point of reference, and to treat the judgement of the Qur'an and the Sunnah as the last word on all matters, is a central characteristic which distinguishes an Islamic system from un-Islamic ones. Some people question the principle that we should refer everything to the Book of God and the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace be on him). They wonder how we can possibly do so when there are numerous practical questions involved, for example, rules and regulations relating to municipal administration, the management of railways and postal services and so on which are not treated at all in these sources. This doubt arises, however, from a misapprehension about Islam. The basic difference between a Muslim and a non-Muslim is that whereas the latter feels free to do as he wishes, the basic characteristic of a Muslim is that he always looks to God and to His Prophet for guidance, and where such guidance is available, a Muslim is bound by it. On the other hand, it is also quite important to remember that when no specific guidance is available, a Muslim feels free to exercise his discretion because the silence of the Law indicates that God Himself has deliberately granted man the freedom to make his decision.
Explanation by Mulana Abul Ala Mududi.
 
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