Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

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a gentle (:raging:) reminder.
forum rule:
15.Promoting Religions other than Islam
While interfaith discussions are allowed promoting another religion is not allowed on the discussion board. This discussion board was created to promote Islam, not another religion. There are many other discussion boards on the Web which you can promote your religion other than Islam.
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I thought this was a comparitive religion section. You mean Christians have no right to defend their stand. I am part of a Christian forum.
 
and in that forum we have non-believer outting in their truths that go against our beliefs. Our administrator should have kicked them out but we were tolerant. i expect the same fair attitidue over here. I have never used profanity or anything like that.
 
Jayda said:
if the quran is so intimately tied to the language that seemingly nothing of its 'divine nature' can be carried into other languages how can you say this is not an exclusively arab religion?
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After I saw so much explanation tries justifying that you can't translate the Quaran properly (which is the only real defense of muslims to justify that there are no contradictions inside), so why is it, that so many muslims are not arabic?
Obviously, most muslims don't know exactly what is written in the quaran?

Confusing...
 
john316 said:
and in that forum we have non-believer outting in their truths that go against our beliefs. Our administrator should have kicked them out but we were tolerant. i expect the same fair attitidue over here. I have never used profanity or anything like that.
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i think you'll find that this forum is more than fair.
just wanted to remind you of that rule. you certainly have a right to defend your religion/clear up misconceptions etc. :)
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
Do you have an inherent need to engage in every topic, whether or not it is completely beyond your scope of expertise? ... superficial reading and poor contemplation results in these seemingly endless and simplistic platitudes you chuck.. It is tiresome really--try to be more frank as to your purpose without concealing it.
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No, but I do enjoy participating on debates in which I have an interest. I am a Buddhist but I am also a student of religion in general (and have for many years) and, in this particular context I happen to believe that Jesus lived and taught many good things, which were recorded in the NT by people writing in Koine Greek. I do not believe he was the son of God, or even that there is a God, which kind of disqualifies me from being a Christian, closet or otherwise. There you go, simple.

What I find tiresome is your frequent choice to replace any substantive response with general abuse. In this case the facts that you HAVE no substantive response to the points raised and that your 'sources' simply don't support your argument will not have escaped many, I'm afraid. I shall waste no more time.


john316 said:
I thought this was a comparitive religion section. You mean Christians have no right to defend their stand. I am part of a Christian forum.
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None of us have the 'right' to do anything, but you won't get in trouble for defending your corner. There is a difference, though, between that and 'promoting' religions other than Islam. It isn't difficult avoiding crossing over it. :)
 
guyabano said:
After I saw so much explanation tries justifying that you can't translate the Quaran properly (which is the only real defense of muslims to justify that there are no contradictions inside), so why is it, that so many muslims are not arabic?
Obviously, most muslims don't know exactly what is written in the quaran?

Confusing...
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For the same reasons a person knows he wants to be a pilot long before he knows anything about spherical trig or navigation.

For the same reasons a person knows he wants to be a doctor before he has understood a basic biology book.

People are searchers, we are always searching and if we see a door open and can catch a glimpse of what we want when we peek inside that door. It is worth walking through the door way.
 
Woodrow said:
For the same reasons a person knows he wants to be a pilot long before he knows anything about spherical trig or navigation.

For the same reasons a person knows he wants to be a doctor before he has understood a basic biology book.

People are searchers, we are always searching and if we see a door open and can catch a glimpse of what we want when we peek inside that door. It is worth walking through the door way.
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Thank you Woodrow, but in that case, it is also very risky to pretend, the Quaran has no contradictions.

Peace
 
Some evangelical Christian claim the Bible has no mistakes and contradictions. Apart from the creation story, they've refuted every single alleged contradiction. The same case with Islam and I guess with other religions as well.
 
Can anyone find the bible in it' s original language? no

Can anyone find the koran in it's original language? absolutely
 
So the majority of non-muslims don't really think that there are contradictions in the Qu'ran- unless they themselves are aethiests. Whilst we have also discussed in a little depth the langauge spoken of Isa/Jesus and his followers during his time.


Can we know talk about contradictions in SCIENTOLOGY :-D
 
minaz said:
So the majority of non-muslims don't really think that there are contradictions in the Qu'ran- unless they themselves are aethiests. Whilst we have also discussed in a little depth the langauge spoken of Isa/Jesus and his followers during his time.


Can we know talk about contradictions in SCIENTOLOGY :-D
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Any further discussions about Scientology, FSM or the Invisible Pink Unicorn will cause this mod to pull the last remaining hair out of his head.
(yes that is singular like 1. The grandkids already got the rest of them )
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Some evangelical Christian claim the Bible has no mistakes and contradictions. Apart from the creation story, they've refuted every single alleged contradiction. The same case with Islam and I guess with other religions as well.
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This is true with certain ideologies as well I've found. Ever have a discussion of economic theory with a traditional marxist? Ouch!

In response to the title, as Im sure it has been mentioned already, if you didn't believe the Qur'an is 'perfect' (free of contradictions, either internal of external), then you would be a non-muslim at least on paper.

Gets fuzzy in practise though as I've encountered quite a few self-proclaimed "muslims" that disagree with certain verses or believe X verse is flat-out wrong.
 
Isambard said:
This is true with certain ideologies as well I've found. Ever have a discussion of economic theory with a traditional marxist? Ouch!

In response to the title, as Im sure it has been mentioned already, if you didn't believe the Qur'an is 'perfect' (free of contradictions, either internal of external), then you would be a non-muslim at least on paper.

Gets fuzzy in practise though as I've encountered quite a few self-proclaimed "muslims" that disagree with certain verses or believe X verse is flat-out wrong.
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There are movements within Islam that consider certain passages to be cultural, they believe some parts were revealed for the arabic people of the day only and no longer apply to modern society.
 

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