Do you hate Americans?

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Actually I think America and other Western countries made big mistakes by having immigration system. If there were no immigration, there wouldn't be any 9/11 or any other terrorist attacks
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America was founded by immigrants - if there were no immigration, the US of A wouldn't exist.

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I knew the answer would just that...

You wanna see Islamic Law throughout the world. That means no democracy, no freedom of religion, men having more rights than women...
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FYI, sharia law is the best form of democracy, also there is freedom of religion. I suggest you research, in addition to history, sharia law in depth, before you go shooting your mouth off.
 
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Amirsaab, so what are you saying? You do wanna see Islamic Law in the West? Well that should be enough to wake up the Westerns.
 
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Amirsaab, so what are you saying? You do wanna see Islamic Law in the West? Well that should be enough to wake up the Westerns.
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Straw man argument.

Also, I'm debating which Western you think he's waking up - 'Unforgiven' or a 'Fist Full of Dollars'?
 
I am not sure who you refer to as "Unforgiven" and who you refer to as "Fist Full of Dollars".

But I think for those Westerns who really care about democracy, freedom of religion and equal rights for all need to wake up and make sure that anything that goes against all this, should be stopped from expanding and even kept out of the West.
 
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America was founded by immigrants - if there were no immigration, the US of A wouldn't exist.



FYI, sharia law is the best form of democracy, also there is freedom of religion. I suggest you research, in addition to history, sharia law in depth, before you go shooting your mouth off.
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yeah like the laws of Iran, that is how I want to live, with a bunch of radical Imams running my country...lol... I think Islamic Law is right for some places and wrong for others. Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan (not as strict as the Taliban imposed), etc. Those countries could deal with Islamic law, however imposing a "religious" law on those who do not share your religion would be a form of tyranny, and no doubt would be harshly critized and revolted against in the West. Just as many of the Muslims in the Mid East revolt against Democracy (the type that is being pushed upon them). It isnt right to impose a type of government on people, much less one based on religious beliefs. If you cant tell, I can not stand Sharia Law.
 
Wow now i have to tell you what part? Jee what are we talking about here, Dolphins? Anways im out of this thread, can't talk to people who don't even remember what they said.

Peace :X
 
PCJS said:
I am not sure who you refer to as "Unforgiven" and who you refer to as "Fist Full of Dollars".

But I think for those Westerns who really care about democracy, freedom of religion and equal rights for all need to wake up and make sure that anything that goes against all this, should be stopped from expanding and even kept out of the West.
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I am sorry but equal rights for all doesn't exists in the USA
 
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Ah MTAFFI, I was refering to proper Sharia law, not Iranian or any other hybrid version. True Sharia law implemented properly, is the best form of democracy. I'd recommend some background reading, especially in regards to the era of the first caliphate and at the time of Muhammad [saw/pbuh].

however imposing a "religious" law on those who do not share your religion would be a form of tyranny, and no doubt would be harshly critized and revolted against in the West
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The revolt would only occur if the people didn't want it. At the moment, nobody is forcing any members of the west to implement sharia law.

To be honest though, this would be best discussed in it's own thread so as to keep this one on topic.

Speaking of which, no I don't hate americans - I don't hate anyone really, since I tend to forgive relatively quickly. I do dislike certain of the american foreign policies however.
 
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how exactly do you figure that?
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Equal rights suggests that EVERY person has the same rights which isn't the case. I can marry a man no problem but if I wanted to marry a woman I don't have that right. And then there is the UNCF and BET. Yet we don't have the right to have a UCCF or CET. How is that equal??
 
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I am not sure who you refer to as "Unforgiven" and who you refer to as "Fist Full of Dollars".
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They are Westerns. :D

But I think for those Westerns
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You mean 'Westerners', not Westerns, which are films and books about the Wild West.

who really care about democracy, freedom of religion and equal rights for all need to wake up and make sure that anything that goes against all this, should be stopped from expanding and even kept out of the West.
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Except Sharia law, which you seem to be referring to, has not expanded into the West and shows no sign of doing so, aside from a bunch of people mouthing off.

The reason many Muslims say they would prefer Sharia to 'Western' laws, or any man-made law for that matter, is because they believe Sharia is superior. It's like asking a janitor if he'd prefer a higher paying job; he'd probably say yes, but that doesn't mean he'd do his current job badly. But realistically, I don't think Sharia will spread into the West any time soon, partly because a lot of Muslim countries don't even implement it properly.
 
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aamirsaab said:
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Ah MTAFFI, I was refering to proper Sharia law, not Iranian or any other hybrid version. True Sharia law implemented properly, is the best form of democracy. I'd recommend some background reading, especially in regards to the era of the first caliphate and at the time of Muhammad [saw/pbuh].


The revolt would only occur if the people didn't want it. At the moment, nobody is forcing any members of the west to implement sharia law.

To be honest though, this would be best discussed in it's own thread so as to keep this one on topic.

Speaking of which, no I don't hate americans - I don't hate anyone really, since I tend to forgive relatively quickly. I do dislike certain of the american foreign policies however.
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I agree this would be a good thread, if you want you can post it, if not i will do it later. Also to your point about it not being forced on the west, I agree and I hope it stays that way.
 
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I agree this would be a good thread, if you want you can post it, if not i will do it later. Also to your point about it not being forced on the west, I agree and I hope it stays that way.
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In order for a new system of government to take shape, at least in the U.S, it would have to come from elected representatives. Unless the non-Muslim population in the U.S. drops dead and the Muslim population skyrockets, that will never happen here.
 
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Equal rights suggests that EVERY person has the same rights which isn't the case. I can marry a man no problem but if I wanted to marry a woman I don't have that right. And then there is the UNCF and BET. Yet we don't have the right to have a UCCF or CET. How is that equal??
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Huh? Having a Bill of Rights does not mean that government can make no laws. It only means the laws cannot arbitrarily abridge the rights laid ount in the the Bill of Rights.

In your example, every man has an equal right to marry a woman (provided he is not already married and has the mental capacity to enter into a contract of marriage). Ditto for the women...to men, of course. There are any number of laws which infringe on individual freedoms but are still constituional because they meet the "compelling government interest" test. If I argue, for eg., that I should be free to start buildings on fire because it looks cool..how far do you think that is going to get?

I am confused, though, if you want to marry a woman and a man..in addition to being rather awkward, wouldn't that be bigamy?

Lastly, what is the "C" in UCCF?
 
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Equal rights suggests that EVERY person has the same rights which isn't the case. I can marry a man no problem but if I wanted to marry a woman I don't have that right. And then there is the UNCF and BET. Yet we don't have the right to have a UCCF or CET. How is that equal??
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as far as marrying a woman, that doesnt have anything to do with being equal, that has to do with ethics and moral guidelines in life. As far as the BET, etc. no that isnt equal and gives an unfair right to people just because they are a minority, and I agree with you on that. I thought you were refering to minorities not having equal rights when it seems they are the ones who get all of the exceptions
 
Muezzin,

I don't understand. If Islamic Laws are so superior, why is it that Islamic people can't enjoy these laws in Islamic countries and why do they come to the West where there aren't any Islamic laws?

Tayyaba,

I was trying to bring you to admit that you didn't like the West but you gave up so fast.
 
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