Do you love God, or fear the day of judgment?

[Sinbad]

Whenever something bad happens to a religous person they think it might just be life. When something good happens, its suddenly a gift from God.

Are you a muslim cause you love God, or cause you fear hell?

If you where doomed to go to hell, no matter what, would you still pray 5 times a day et c?

 

[NoName55]

do you love God, or fear the day of judgment?

both, now be off with you!

 

[Woodrow]

Whenever something bad happens to a religous person they think it might just be life. When something good happens, its suddenly a gift from God.

There is no such thing as 'bad" things coming from God(swt) All of life is our choices. We may be given difficult challenges that do test us, but they too are gifts. All in life is a gift from Allah(swt) it is only our choices and/or perceptions that can cause us to not under stand the goodness of all of Allah's(swt) Gifts

Are you a muslim cause you love God, or cause you fear hell?

I'm Muslim only because I found it to be the only true way to Worship Allah(swt). I worship Allah(swt) out of love.

If you where doomed to go to hell, no matter what, would you still pray 5 times a day et c?

Why would I want to cut back on the number of times I Pray?

 

[Sinbad]

both, now be off with you!

How can you love God for being so good, and at the same time beign scared of not praying 5 times a day for ethernal ****ation?

According to zorotism, and judaism, all people that have not done something horrible go to heaven, or paradise. According to christianity and islam, you have to be super super super good and do all the rites, or else you will be ethernaly ****ed.

 

[Sinbad]

There is no such thing as 'bad" things coming from God(swt) All of life is our choices. We may be given difficult challenges that do test us, but they too are gifts. All in life is a gift from Allah(swt) it is only our choices and/or perceptions that can cause us to not under stand the goodness of all of Allah's(swt) Gifts

very good point.

I'm Muslim only because I found it to be the only true way to Worship Allah(swt). I worship Allah(swt) out of love.

So all who is not a muslim, even those that never ever heard of islam will suffer an ethernety?

Why would I want to cut back on the number of times I Pray?

That was not the queston, I God told you that you will go to hell no mather what, would you still pray 5 times a day?

 

[- Qatada -]

When the Children of Israeel got the message, they were excessively rebellious - so Allaah sent them revelation which was strong and harsh so they would return back to Allaah.

When the Christians got the message, they claimed that Jesus son of Mary died for ALL of their sins, and claimed it was a message of pure love.


When Allaah revealed the message to His final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) - He sent the message to a people who were rough and harsh by nature (i.e. the bedouin arabs etc.) Yet at the same time, there were good people among them. And this is the case with the majority of humanity today. So He sent a Message which was just right - the middle way.


We as Muslims have love for Allaah, for ALL the good which He has given to us and the creation, for free. When we do good, we hope for His reward, and if we do evil - we fear His punishment due to our disobedience to Him.


Ibn Al Qayyim, a great scholar said - The love is like the heart of a bird, it's required to keep the bird alive, yet the concepts of Hope and Fear are like the two wings, if one was to outweigh or make the other imbalanced, then the bird would fall.

So we have the concept of love, hope and fear to keep us alive on persistent on the path towards Allaah, and this will continue until we die, and move onto the life of the hereafter.

Thus, have We made of you an Ummat [nation - true muslims] justly balanced, that ye might be witnesses over the nations, and the Messenger a witness over yourselves..

[Qur'an 2: 143]
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[- Qatada -]

Whenever something bad happens to a religous person they think it might just be life. When something good happens, its suddenly a gift from God.

Whenever someone is trialled in this life, it is because of what their own hands brought forth. Yet it is a trial from Allaah, whether it's wealth/poverty, health/sickness, good/bad etc.

Are you a muslim cause you love God, or cause you fear hell?

I love Allaah, and as a muslim i should fear disobeying Allaah since His punishment is severe against the wrongdoers.

If you where doomed to go to hell, no matter what, would you still pray 5 times a day et c?

That's the whole concept of the test - you don't know the answer, so you remain firm on doing good to get to Paradise. So the question isn't valid anyway.

 

[- Qatada -]

So all who is not a muslim, even those that never ever heard of islam will suffer an ethernety?

Those people will be tested by Allaah on the Day of Judgement. Allaah doesn't punish a people until He has sent them a Messenger who made the message clear to them.

 

[united]

Whenever something bad happens to a religous

If you where doomed to go to hell, no matter what, would you still pray 5 times a day et c?

The whole point of life is that life is a test. No one is doomed to anything. you have the choice to choose where you want to go.
God is not just a name. He is who He is with his 99 names/attributes and that is who Muslims love.

 

[Woodrow]

very good point.

So all who is not a muslim, even those that never ever heard of islam will suffer an ethernety?

Allah(swt) does not expect us to do what we have not been told or have the ability to understand. I do not know the will of Allah(swt) and I do not know who he will send to Hellfire. But, I do know he is just and Mrcifull.

That was not the queston, I God told you that you will go to hell no mather what, would you still pray 5 times a day?

I would pray no less than I do now. some days I can pray 7 times a day some days I will be asleep for 12 or 18 hours and unable to pray. Quite often I do have to pray in bed and can not pray properly, but I do still pray from where ever I am and and close as properly, as I am physically able to. there is no reason for me to ever reduce my prayers because I am doomed to hellfire. If I am one of the unfortunates who does go to the Hellfire, hopefully I will still do my best to worship Allah(swt) from there.

 

[August]

If I am one of the unfortunates who does go to the Hellfire, hopefully I will still do my best to worship Allah(swt) from there.

That makes me sad, Woodrow. You think that even if you remain faithfull, God might chuck you into Hell anyway? I know that God will not abandon me as long as I remain faithfull to Christ. How do you stay with a faith that offers so little assurance? No offense intended, but why would you worship a God who sent you to Hell?

 

[Sinbad]

That makes me sad, Woodrow. You think that even if you remain faithfull, God might chuck you into Hell anyway? I know that God will not abandon me as long as I remain faithfull to Christ. How do you stay with a faith that offers so little assurance? No offense intended, but why would you worship a God who sent you to Hell?

Its called fear. Many women fall inlove with men that beats them. Yo feel that you are in place and have a purpose in life.

 

[Pygoscelis]

That makes me sad, Woodrow. You think that even if you remain faithfull, God might chuck you into Hell anyway? I know that God will not abandon me as long as I remain faithfull to Christ. How do you stay with a faith that offers so little assurance? No offense intended, but why would you worship a God who sent you to Hell?

I've always found the idea that faithfulness to X God is the path to salvation, instead of say, being nice to people, rather repugnant.

 

[vpb]

Are you a muslim cause you love God, or cause you fear hell?

If you where doomed to go to hell, no matter what, would you still pray 5 times a day et c?

Ibn Taymyah, may Allah have mercy on him, defines 'worship' and says: “Worship is a general noun for every action that Allah loves and is pleased, from actions, words, those done in public or secretly."


Ibn Kathir says: "(Worship is a) General noun which puts together love, submission and fear".

We are muslims bc we Love Allah swt, He is the only one who deserves to be worshipped, and bc we fear him.
There is no such thing in Islam as "just love" or "just fear". it's both.

 

[Malaikah]

How do you stay with a faith that offers so little assurance?

God promised the Muslims paradise as long as they do their bit. God doesn't through people in t hell if they didn't earn it. We have been promised that something like 70 million* Muslims will enter paradise without even being held to account and not punishment at all, and the stories of God's mercy are many, especially on the Day of Judgement (He will forgive so many sins that even the devil hmself will be hopeful that he will be forgiven) ... so there is some level of assurance.

*There is more information in a report narrated in the Musnad of Imaam Ahmad and the Sunan of al-Tirmidhi and Ibn Maajah, where Abu Umaamah is reported to have said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “My Lord promised me that seventy thousand of my ummah will enter Paradise without being brought to account or being punished; with each thousand of them will be another seventy thousand, plus three handfuls of the handfuls of my Lord, may He be glorified.”​

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=4203&ln=eng

I know that God will not abandon me as long as I remain faithfull to Christ.

This statement means nothing to a Muslim because we see your 'faith' towards Jesus as nothing but a potential one-way ticket to hell.:-\

 

[vpb]

This statment means nothing to a Muslim because we see your 'faith' towards Jesus as nothing but a potential one-way ticket to hell.

All tickets to hell are one-way, just depends wether u want it business class or economic class.

 

[Joe98]

There is no such thing as 'bad" things coming from God. All of life is our choices.

Yes I agree. And because I agree it means there can't be a god. Over and over again on this forum people prove there is no god.

When an athiest cuts off your little finger this does not come from god.

When you collapse in the gutter and an athiest saves your life with CPR that too doesn't come from god.

Thanks for agreeing there is no god.

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[Joe98]

All tickets to hell are one-way, just depends wether u want it business class or economic class.

Is this type of humour halal??????????

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[Woodrow]

That makes me sad, Woodrow. You think that even if you remain faithfull, God might chuck you into Hell anyway? I know that God will not abandon me as long as I remain faithfull to Christ. How do you stay with a faith that offers so little assurance? No offense intended, but why would you worship a God who sent you to Hell?

I suppose this is where we differ. I do not see that Allah(swt) would abandon me. I do not know what can or will happen up to the moment I do die. Like you say you have assurance as long as you remain faithful to Christ(as). My words are similar. As long as I die as a believer, there is no worry. But, being human i will not pretend that I do not have weaknesses. Remember even Satan was very close to Allah(swt), but at the last minute he managed to throw it all away. I do not believe Allah(swt) would send me to Hell, but I believe that it is possible for me to stray right up to the moment of death.

Oddly, while you say it makes you sad, I look at it as a reminder that I am weak and that i do have a need to continuously ask for guidance.

 

[vpb]

Is this type of humour halal??????????

who said it was humour? it can be just metaphoric.

When an athiest cuts off your little finger this does not come from god.

if you cut my finger,I get hasanat (rewards) and also it would be just a test from Allah az.