Documentary on channel 4: The Qur'an

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You really cannot judge the whole Ummah/youngsters on a few kid's you've seen down you're local Mosque you know...

On-Topic: Are they paying you for this, Bro' Osman :?


Jokes... Yeah insha'Allah I'll be able to watch this.

i aint judging no one am just poiting out the facts yeh

sheesh

 

[Sahabiyaat]

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lol
wat did i say last week b4 the programme even cme on!
that the 'it shudnt happen to a muslim' documentary was too gud to be true so they needed to balance out the opinions and thats just wat theyve done in this documentary. :thumbs_do

 

[Uthman]

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Link to watch it online:

http://www.channel4.com/video/the-quran/catchup.html

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

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It was intresting to learn about the Imams and Shia ways.

Also, that woman who was showing that women are equal. Good work. & All religions should be respected.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

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I actually liked the program. Though, I do think they should have clarified the alleged contradictions, shown less of the shia/suffi bakwas and instead interviewed some UK/US/Western muslims.

Overall though, I was happy to see Ajmal Masroor being his usual enthusiastic self over Islam. Always pleasure to see

That was a bit odd. I'd topple over spinning around like that!

 

[aamirsaab]

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It was intresting to learn about the Imams and Shia ways.

Also, that woman who was showing that women are equal. Good work. & All religions should be respected.

That's good to hear.

I'd like to know what did the other non-muslims think of this program? Did you learn anything from it? Did it better your understanding of Islam etc ?

I mean, hopefully it had a positive influence on the non-muslim community. If not, I'll just have to publish a book on Islam and psychology.

 

[Ali.]

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^ watch it online, you can watch ch4 plus 1 online!!!

bless the man he proper gunnin shias lol *gets popcorn*

Shia's are still Muslim, man...

What if a Shia read that comment of yours and got deeply offended? You can't go around saying stuff like that. What Muslim Gyal said is right:

Chacha Janaabs..
Likes I really dun't likes yo comments bouh Shi'as, Like even though theres HUGE difference between the two sects, theres no need for stuff like that you gets me? & Besides, this site aims to promote unity not more conflict =) No offence
& Like its irrelevant, do yo job man, Eveh

There could have been more effort to show some 'moderate' (hate that word) responses to the distorted interpretations of the Qur'an.

Pfft.

Definitely. I thought the program was good. That German guy's 'theories' were quite... strange, but interesting, I have to say. But what the Londoner said was right: We have to read the Qur'an the way the Arabs understood it.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

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That's good to hear.

I'd like to know what did the other non-muslims think of this program? Did you learn anything from it? Did it better your understanding of Islam etc ?

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Well, nothing I didn't already know. It was good nevertheless. Was nice to see no ranting of 'Imams' saying to kill the kafirs who don't submit to Islam, which is what we usually see on TV! - The Houri bit was interesting too. Would other Muslims expand on that, or would they not want to hear anything other than what it's states in the Quran already?

 

[جوري]

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:salamext:


this program is poop trust me. its just opening the doorway to promote 'modernism' and to turn away from the sunnah, that's quite clear from the start when a dude said the qur'an doesn't need hadith.

i say dont watch it, only the first 10mins were good.

This was a plan since 98 to separate Quran from Sunnah, even prior to the whole 911 fiasco.. plus purchase several chanels in the Arabic world, where they spew constant deviant ideology, the fortunate thing is one of the other attempts was also to pass around re-written qurans, with verses added or taken away, making divorce illegal for instance amongst other things but people recite the Quran all the time and can tell it has been tampered with.. You know Arabs lap up anything western because they feel so inferior, as prophet SAW stated, if they fall into a hole for a dab we'll follow them into it, and all you really need to do is turn on your Arabic chanel to see just the extent.. we are people blessed with Islam, once we give it up, we are reduced to vile reproduction of the west but not even a high fidelity copy and they still won't accept us..
we had what was great and we threw it away, thinking secular is better.. I ask then, is secular better?

the whole Quran only thing is popular indeed, but it is just another faction as we were promised tribulations.. those who desire to walk aright still can though wal7mdlilah Al Quran and sunnah are perfectly preserved for those who seek truth...

 

[truemuslim]

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:salamext:


Unfortunately, what it is with youngsters nowadays (even older people) is that they read the Qur'aan, even compete in who reads it most ,or who finishes it in Ramadan first, but they don't understand the meaning behind the words.


SubhaanAllaah look at the state of the Muslim Ummah today, May Allaah Guide us all. Ameen.

Yah sis, my cousins and one of my young aunts who are hafith know the whole quran (obviously) and they hafiz many other girls (including me) over the phone, but then they r totally unreligious and they got no idea what the quran says. they only memorize the words. but dont know NO meaning. :thumbs_do

Ameen to ur dua sis.

Subhanallah how non muslims are more into tafseer al quran than the hufath themselves imsad

 

[aamirsaab]

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....Would other Muslims expand on that, or would they not want to hear anything other than what it's states in the Quran already?

Not sure what you mean. I haven't read that passage in the english translation just yet (I'm about 20% through reading engl. translation from beginning to end right now) so cannot comment much than what was already stated in the program. There's most likely a thread on this very topic (houri) already in existence. If not, I'll make one after I've finished my reading.

 

[czgibson]

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Greetings,

I'd like to know what did the other non-muslims think of this program? Did you learn anything from it? Did it better your understanding of Islam etc ?

I only saw the last half of it, but I'll now be able to catch up thanks to the link that has kindly been provided.

What I saw seemed balanced and fair, and I think those who condemn the programme out of hand have a little more thinking to do. The central point is one that we have all known for a long time - there are many possible interpretations of the Qur'an. Who is authorised to give them depends largely on what country you live in, as well as other factors.

Something that always mystifies me is when people say things like: "The Qur'an is quite clear on the matter." In fact, as this programme showed, the Qur'an is spectacularly unclear on many different matters - hence the widely differing interpretations that, whether we like it or not, we're all having to live with at the moment.

The programme also mentioned the Saudi insertion of phrases like "such as the Jews" and "tanks and artillery" - surely one of the most horrifically unhelpful moves in world history. If you had to cause the greatest amount of suffering with the fewest words, could you do it any more efficiently than this?

Edit: Something weird I noticed: several times during the film, Muslims were shown mentioning Muhammad, but not saying peace be upon him. Should we read anything into that?

Peace

 

[aamirsaab]

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and greetings

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Something that always mystifies me is when people say things like: "The Qur'an is quite clear on the matter." In fact, as this programme showed, the Qur'an is spectacularly unclear on many different matters - hence the widely differing interpretations that, whether we like it or not, we're all having to live with at the moment.

Fair point to make.

The programme also mentioned the Saudi insertion of phrases like "such as the Jews" and "tanks and artillery" - surely one of the most horrifically unhelpful moves in world history. If you had to cause the greatest amount of suffering with the fewest words, could you do it any more efficiently than this?

Peace

Unfortunately, Saudi seems to think that because it is regarded as the holy place for muslims that it can do what it pleases with the Quran. This is not the first time saudi's done something really stupid though (there's a big list for that!). I was pleased to see that the program did raise the issue of saudi not portraying an accurate representation of Islam.

From this thread, I'm glad that the program had a somewhat positive impact on the non-muslims who watched it.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Amirsahib, I meant the bit where they state teh german chap saidthe Houri (70 virgisn) actually means there will be grapes not virgins?

As for the Sunnah and Haith, if the Sunnah is the word of Allah, and Mohammed Sahib didn't state Allah said to add his Hadiths to the Quran, why were they? Do you have an authoirty in Islam that decides such things?

 

[Uthman]

Hello Avar,

As for the Sunnah and Haith, if the Sunnah is the word of Allah, and Mohammed Sahib didn't state Allah said to add his Hadiths to the Quran, why were they? Do you have an authoirty in Islam that decides such things?

Who said that the Sunnah is the word of Allah? The sunnah is the way of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Hello Avar,



Who said that the Sunnah is the word of Allah? The sunnah is the way of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

So I've got it mixed up? The Hadith is the Word of Allah and Sunnah are the ways of Mohammed? OK, back to my oringinal question please? :smile:

 

[Ali.]

So I've got it mixed up? The Hadith is the Word of Allah and Sunnah are the ways of Mohammed? OK, back to my oringinal question please? :smile:

No, man. The hadith is the collection of the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Hadith originally means 'conversation', and Sunnah, as you said, is the way the Prophet (PBUH) lived his life.

The word of Allah is the Qur'an.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

OK!

That's cleared up, so why are the Sunnahs added to the Hadiths, years after the Sunnahs were compiled? Not causing trouble, just wondering as they said the same in the TV Show. Is it because they don't see any difference between the two?

 

[Ali.]

OK!

That's cleared up, so why are the Sunnahs added to the Hadiths, years after the Sunnahs were compiled? Not causing trouble, just wondering as they said the same in the TV Show. Is it because they don't see any difference between the two?

Don't worry, it's a good question.

Well, some people believe the hadiths were written at the time of the Prophet [pbuh], and these people accept the hadiths. Whereas other people believe they were written a while after the Prophet [pbuh] died. There is no solid evidence as to when the hadiths were actually written, although I'm quite certain there is evidence here and there that people tend to take into account .

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Don't worry, it's a good question.

Well, some people believe the hadiths were written at the time of the Prophet [pbuh], and these people accept the hadiths. Whereas other people believe they were written a while after the Prophet [pbuh] died. There is no solid evidence as to when the hadiths were actually written, although I'm quite certain there is evidence here and there that people tend to take into account .

Ah, well the makes sense. What about the Imams, was there no mention by them of the aboceof how it was?