Domino effect

[ardianto]

I think the best system is democracy, because while it is corrupt, there are ways that you can get rid of the President or Prime Minister. Either by a vote or by impeachment.

That's because you never lived under dictator regime.

How can people impeach the president if the president rule the parliament ?. How can people vote for new president in the president never give a chance to other canditates to compete in fair election ?.

I lived under Soeharto regime. If Indonesian people could impeach him and could vote for other president, Indonesian people did not need to launch The 98 Reformation that ended with fall of Soeharto regime.

(I was an anti-Soeharto protester in 1998. )

 

[Ramadhan]

(I was an anti-Soeharto protester in 1998. )

Same here.
I was one of the thousands that took over the parliament building (Gedung DPR MPR) for a week, not unlike what the egyptians are doing in Tahrir Square.

 

[جوري]

Same here. I was one of the thousands that took over the parliament building (Gedung DPR MPR) for a week, not unlike what the egyptians are doing in Tahrir Square.

It is a shame that Muslims can't reach out to each other and get this wobbly legs of this empire up on its feet again...

 

[MuslimDownunder]

I think tunisia was an isolated domino that fell.

Egypt on the other hand has all the dominos ( the other arab leaders) right next to it. if mubarak falls then they pretty much all fall. It'd say king abdullah is the second one in line.

No No Mubarak!!!!

 

[جوري]

I think tunisia was an isolated domino that fell. Egypt on the other hand has all the dominos ( the other arab leaders) right next to it. if mubarak falls then they pretty much all fall. It'd say king abdullah is the second one in line. No No Mubarak!!!!

isn't it sad? I think Saudi's are timid though although admittedly their own economic conditions are deteriorating so that maybe an impetus for them to want to change..

I keep wondering if this is the catalyst for those 'end of the world events' in the east which when they happen will fall like pearl beads one by one.. this certainly is the age of oppression and injustice.. and it makes me sad..

 

[Aprender]

That's because you never lived under dictator regime.

How can people impeach the president if the president rule the parliament ?. How can people vote for new president in the president never give a chance to other canditates to compete in fair election ?.

I lived under Soeharto regime. If Indonesian people could impeach him and could vote for other president, Indonesian people did not need to launch The 98 Reformation that ended with fall of Soeharto regime.

(I was an anti-Soeharto protester in 1998. )

Well in American democracy we have term limits so that even if they do create a corrupt "regime" so to speak they only have 8 years to enforce it, and that's only if the electoral college puts them back in for that second term. I think what you mean is though is that sometimes if we do get one "corrupt" person out of there another one who is equally corrupt can come back in...which has happened.

Wow. I'm not familiar with the Soeharto regime. I was only 8 years old back in 1998 but I'll look into it. My aunt lived in Indonesia at that time. I'll be sure to ask her about it to get more information. I love it when I know people who participated in a historical event like that.

 

[Aprender]

isn't it sad? I think Saudi's are timid though although admittedly their own economic conditions are deteriorating so that maybe an impetus for them to want to change..

I keep wondering if this is the catalyst for those 'end of the world events' in the east which when they happen will fall like pearl beads one by one.. this certainly is the age of oppression and injustice.. and it makes me sad..

Couldn't have said it better. It is very sad indeed. Here in the U.S. many of my college age friends are completely unaware of what's going on in Egypt. I mentioned it today asking for them to say a prayer for our brothers and sisters and Egypt and a few of them thought a natural disaster occurred there. They just didn't understand why it was relevant news even after I explained it. Sometimes I wonder about my generation... =/

 

[Dagless]

what is your definition of a democracy? Today I was watching the turd Alan Dershwoitz spew his usual crap about democracy

I doubt anyone takes him seriously. The only thing I associate with him is when Finkelstein owned him. Don't get me wrong, I've seen him proved wrong many times but I've never seen anyone get completely destroyed like that.

I wonder if Mubarak will just sit there until he's physically thrown out.

 

[Darth Ultor]

what is your definition of a democracy?
all the best

A country with rule of the people, by the people, for the people. A system where each district elects someone to represent their interest in government. If one runs for President or Prime Minister, he or she is to represent the interest of the people as that person was voted in by popular majority. And they would have limited terms of a few years. That's all.

 

[Dagless]

A system where each district elects someone to represent their interest in government. If one runs for President or Prime Minister, he or she is to represent the interest of the people as that person was voted in by popular majority.

This means that it's possible for the majority to lose and also for minorities to have no say.

 

[جوري]

A country with rule of the people, by the people, for the people. A system where each district elects someone to represent their interest in government. If one runs for President or Prime Minister, he or she is to represent the interest of the people as that person was voted in by popular majority. And they would have limited terms of a few years. That's all.

Indeed and aside from the geo/political and socio/economic conditions and issues that need representation and to be addressed, there is also the law, and the law should cater to the majority.. the majority 90% are Muslims-- current Egyptian law only caters to Amero/Israeli interests and the 'ruling family' simply have a look at articles 75 and 76 that people are protesting against (amongst others) in the current constitution which surprisingly can only be amended by the president and while he is in office!

all the best

 

[جوري]

I doubt anyone takes him seriously. The only thing I associate with him is when Finkelstein owned him. Don't get me wrong, I've seen him proved wrong many times but I've never seen anyone get completely destroyed like that. I wonder if Mubarak will just sit there until he's physically thrown out.

he managed to get Finkelstein and another professor whose name I forget thrown out of a university after he didn't like the book they'd written.. He is such a stinking turd.. it is amazing because Finklestein himself is a Jew I really have such respect for him.. I don't understand why many of them play that holocaust card? Surely the holocaust wasn't brought to them courtesy of Muslims rather the 'civilized west' the only place that has ever received them with a fair degree of tolerance was the Muslim world (prior to its secularization) now they'd subdue the will of an entire people 2/3 of them below the age of 30 and 90% of them though college graduates are unemployed.

Mubarak is playing it smart, he is disgustingly smart and experienced and now the western media is playing along to marginalize what is going on to break these protests from within.. their cunning truly as described in the Quran as if it would move mountains from its ability.

 

[Ramadhan]

Mubarak is playing it smart, he is disgustingly smart and experienced and now the western media is playing along to marginalize what is going on to break these protests from within.. their cunning truly as described in the Quran as if it would move mountains from its ability

Sadly, I think Mubarak is succeeding in buying time by doing talks with the opposition groups.

I hope the real resistance on the streets are unwavering in their demand that Mubarak must go now.

 

[جوري]

Sadly, I think Mubarak is succeeding in buying time by doing talks with the opposition groups. I hope the real resistance on the streets are unwavering in their demand that Mubarak must go now.

I don't think people understand what 'revolution' means.. it means there are no talks they want these whole regime toppled.. I am really sad though as I feel you maybe right.. the west will have its way.. let's make du3a and qyam elyel for them please..

 

[titus]

This means that it's possible for the majority to lose and also for minorities to have no say.

But if the right systems are put in place then that is minimized. That is also why democracy requires an educated and socially conscious populace, otherwise it can turn into an oppression by the majority of the minority.

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”... Winston Churchill

 

[Woodrow]

But if the right systems are put in place then that is minimized. That is also why democracy requires an educated and socially conscious populace, otherwise it can turn into an oppression by the majority of the minority.

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”... Winston Churchill

Reminds me of something I heard from when I was a kid during the time Stalin was still alive. I recall somebody once saying that Russia can conquer the US without a war as one day we will elect a communist President and end up under Communism without even knowing it.

 

[TheTruthFromGod]

The arabic revolution has been deliberatly provoked to permit the emergence of the Dajjal, watch on Youtube a video I've done on this subject:

The Arabic Revolution: last step to the Reign of the Dajjal Maitreya Raj Patel( 2episodes)

 

[titus]

I recall somebody once saying that Russia can conquer the US without a war as one day we will elect a communist President and end up under Communism without even knowing it.

Not with the system. The president doesn't have that much power because there are too many checks and balances. The people would have to elect a communist president, communist House, communist Senate and communist state governments without knowing it, and that won't happen.

In the Arab world at the moment the big question is what form of government are they going to end up with? Will it be truly democratic in that autocratic rule cannot take place? Or will it be just another ruse to put someone else in power for the rest of their life?

 

[Ramadhan]

Not with the system. The president doesn't have that much power because there are too many checks and balances.

Not if the "checks and balances" are actually in collusion with the president.

case in point: George Bush jr who lied through his teeth in order to invade and occupy Iraq, in the process killing a million people (albeit not his own) and spent trillions of dollars.

In the Arab world at the moment the big question is what form of government are they going to end up with? Will it be truly democratic in that autocratic rule cannot take place?

whatever system they choose, i hope it's gonna be a system that implement syariah.
This world does not last, after life does.

 

[جوري]

In the Arab world at the moment the big question is what form of government are they going to end up with? Will it be truly democratic in that autocratic rule cannot take place? Or will it be just another ruse to put someone else in power for the rest of their life?

Depends on how much western powers under the leadership of the Zionist cockroach state play their cards here..So far they've been playing the 'Islamists' card around the clock on the media while handling with velvet gloves their long time comrade who kills his countrymen at whim. The west doesn't want a 'democracy' for the middle east, they want these despotic rule that enables them to kill Muslims and nab their wealth.. let's not have pretenses here, since they speak it in those exact words around the clock in various news channels..

I do believe that there is no going back now.. people know and have always known the west and the cockroach state for what they truly are and their intentions are crystal.. and it was a matter of breaking the fear that has kept them in a pressure cooker with these despots sitting on the lid for so long..